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6 hours ago, igsey said:

It's an absolutely typical Mourinho signing. Big name player from a big club, over the hill, huge wages. However, this could potentially work out for them if he's managed correctly. Bale is a big game player and that's where Spurs have struggled over the last 3-4 years.

 

It will still be crazy money though for a player that will play 15 games a season.

London's golf courses will be glad to have him though!

Over the hill is such bullshit. He's not even old. Just fallen out with a manager and not played enough, with often causes little injuries.

He needs to play every week but it won't take long before he shows his best again. Clubs seem obsessed with younger players, always focused on the future which is good but there's a balance. Bale is still one of the best attacking players out there in a manager wants him in their first team.

Bale/Kane/Son would be a brilliant attack and exactly what they should be doing, because both wide players can fill in as strikers when Kane inevitably gets injured.

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2 minutes ago, adriansfc said:

Over the hill is such bullshit. He's not even old. Just fallen out with a manager and not played enough, with often causes little injuries.

He needs to play every week but it won't take long before he shows his best again. Clubs seem obsessed with younger players, always focused on the future which is good but there's a balance. Bale is still one of the best attacking players out there in a manager wants him in their first team.

Bale/Kane/Son would be a brilliant attack and exactly what they should be doing, because both wide players can fill in as strikers when Kane inevitably gets injured.

Absolutely agree.

This obsession with players under 30 is such a crock of shit, fuelled completely by the business side of football looking for a return on investment.

The two best players in the world are over 30 in Messi (33) and Ronaldo (35) neither show any sign of slowing down

Lewandowski, Aguero, Aubameyang, Tadic, Lloris, Benzema, Messi, Ronaldo... all players over 30 nominated for the 2019 Balloon d'Or and players that would get into pretty much any side in the world.

I'm old enough to Remember Kevin Richardson in the 1997/98 season. We were favourites to go down and ended up finishing 12th in the Premier league (I think it was our highest prem finish at that point) and Richardson played 30 odd games, he must have been 34/35.

At the end of the season we moved Richardsons on and the next season we finished 17th only just avoiding relegation! Carlton Palmer went on Goals on Sunday saying the clubs decision to let Richardson go (because of his age) was one of the biggest factors in us under performing the following season... there's been countless examples of old players being moved on because of their age and not their contribution. Not just in football either, Michael Jordan being pushed out the Bulls because of his age is another non football example 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Dan Johnson said:

Absolutely agree.

This obsession with players under 30 is such a crock of shit

The two best players in the world are over 30 in Messi (33) and Ronaldo (35) neither show any sign of slowing down

Ronaldo has gone from scoring 48 and 46 league goals in a season 5-8 years ago... to 31 league goals last season.

Messi has gone from scoring 50, 46 and 43 league goals in a season 5-8 years ago... to 25 league goals last season.

Sure that is still superb by both of them, but it is a significant slowing down in their goal-scoring.

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5 hours ago, LeBizzier69 said:

I've never worked out if Walcott has ever actually been a good footballer. Burst on the scene, lightening quick in his youth, some good finishes......but equally you watch him run with the ball and pass it like he's never kicked a ball in his life....

Very good not great. But let down by managers IMO. Should have developed far more. Everton wasn't the best move.

That said, I'd still love him back here. When Armstrong is out or Redmond off form we are just terrible. Given up on Boufal or Djenepo being fit or doing much. Another fast option who can score a few would be great. Plus I think he needs a club like this now. Still got a couple of good years left. 

But he'll probably just end up at west ham.

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9 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Ronaldo has gone from scoring 48 and 46 league goals in a season 5-8 years ago... to 31 league goals last season.

Messi has gone from scoring 50, 46 and 43 league goals in a season 5-8 years ago... to 25 league goals last season.

Sure that is still superb by both of them, but it is a significant slowing down in their goal-scoring.

Or just an unsustainable level and regressing to what are still ridiculous numbers. Or peak levels coming during peak levels of respective clubs. You can analyse it however you want.

But you'd be saying the same thing if someone had made the opposite point. It's pretty tedious.

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7 hours ago, the saint in winchester said:

Origi would be great, either deputising for Ings, or playing alongside him.

Alex Iwobi would be useful, deputising for Armstrong, although Walcott could play both RM and out and out ST, however he's over 30 now.

Other observations :

Villa paying a £20M deal for an Arsenal reserve keeper - wow.

Doumbia - read the reports of him, but also that he couldn't get a UK work permit. Still think Jefferson Lerma is the one we should go for.

I concur

 

5 hours ago, East Kent Saint said:

Walcott seemed to do better when he didn’t have time to think , going one v one with a choice seemed to confuse him !

always said it - when he didn't have to think - amazing and instinctive but.... when he did have to think at the speed he was playing at always made the wrong choice or no choice at all

 

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44 minutes ago, Dan Johnson said:

Absolutely agree.

This obsession with players under 30 is such a crock of shit, fuelled completely by the business side of football looking for a return on investment.

The two best players in the world are over 30 in Messi (33) and Ronaldo (35) neither show any sign of slowing down

Lewandowski, Aguero, Aubameyang, Tadic, Lloris, Benzema, Messi, Ronaldo... all players over 30 nominated for the 2019 Balloon d'Or and players that would get into pretty much any side in the world.

I'm old enough to Remember Kevin Richardson in the 1997/98 season. We were favourites to go down and ended up finishing 12th in the Premier league (I think it was our highest prem finish at that point) and Richardson played 30 odd games, he must have been 34/35.

At the end of the season we moved Richardsons on and the next season we finished 17th only just avoiding relegation! Carlton Palmer went on Goals on Sunday saying the clubs decision to let Richardson go (because of his age) was one of the biggest factors in us under performing the following season... there's been countless examples of old players being moved on because of their age and not their contribution. Not just in football either, Michael Jordan being pushed out the Bulls because of his age is another non football example 

 

 

Completely agree with your post. Our obsession with buying young players with an eye on a profit is short sighted. Gary Cahill would have been great in our defence last season with his experience being passed on to our inexperienced centre backs.
But no. Too old. What a load of nonsense. This age of new signings rubbish will do for us eventually. Got to have experience to go with the inexperience.

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3 hours ago, Dusic said:

Semmens also on TSP was pretty adamant that we would still do something. He suggested our plan was to get Salisu and KWP done early and then see how the market developed later on. The thinking seemed to be that Covid will impact other leagues more than the PL and that prices will be reduced near to the end of the window as clubs face the financial realities.

Ralph certainly seemed frustrated about it all when asked in the pre Palace presser, but he seemed generally annoyed as had just found out Armstrong was injured.

Lets just hope that he gets what he wants - we haven't really given him a lot in the market so far, and generally he is working with the same squad we had when he arrived. 

Hope we get two more (centre mid and versatile attacking mid) but think it will just be the first. Then, lets hope its not another Danso, who was clearly way down the list of CBs we wanted.

Would say a few mid table sides have recruited very well so far: Everton, Palace, Newcastle, Villa so its important to keep improving.

On paper maybe but we dont know that based on one league game. Theres two or three teams every season who get touted on here as having done great business compared to us but then they seemingly struggle. We've addressed the positions we needed to, permitting we bring in a CM which I think we will. Will take another window or two to fully clear the mess we created with the poor signings we made and cant seem to move on. 

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FWIW most Everton fans think Davies is awful, especially off the ball which is why they brought in Allan and Doucoure.

For what he would cost he isn't a good option IMO.

But we need new faces soon, even more so if Redmond's injury is bad.

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I think we need someone who can progress play up the pitch next to JWP as we kept giving it away having to play the long switch to the high up fullbacks, we need another option who can carry the ball. 

I think Redmond is an excellent player but he has definitely had a slower start and him going down injured has shown what could happen if both him and Armstrong are out and it isn't pretty. I think neither Tella or Smallbone is up to pushing them at the moment and we need a depth signing at winger to put pressure on Redmond and Armstrong. 

Bednarek has been surprisingly poor too in the last two games with his positioning being very questionable. I think as soon as we can get Salisu in and fit we need to play him. No need for another cb until we see how he does though. 

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Center mid seems to be absolute immediate priority. Romeu looking like what he always was a backup. Amazed we’ve let the season kick off without a hojberg replacement.

very worried about the winger situation too. Redmond seems to have badly lost his edge and is now injured. Armstrong is injured. Djenepo looks rusty as anything. With boufal seemingly off that leaves sims as our remaining Russian roulette option.

 

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4 hours ago, DT said:

They’re gonna have Bale for the game with us, aren’t they? Nightmare! Ps are we skint?

I doubt if he signs in the next 48 hours he will be in the team, he could only manage 45mins the other week for Wales, badly short of match fitness.

SAINTS PLEASE BUY A MIDFIELDER! 

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I expect we are waiting to see how the transfer market turns out.

Chelsea, Leicester and Everton will have some casts off they don’t want. (Wonderful)

Maybe we are waiting for some champions league knockouts before going for a player?

When you look at some of the teams in the EPL they get who they want like Eze for Palace. They paid good money for him and it’s players like him that lifts a team.

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1 hour ago, Pilchards said:

I expect we are waiting to see how the transfer market turns out.

Chelsea, Leicester and Everton will have some casts off they don’t want. (Wonderful)

Maybe we are waiting for some champions league knockouts before going for a player?

When you look at some of the teams in the EPL they get who they want like Eze for Palace. They paid good money for him and it’s players like him that lifts a team.

The transfer activity or lack of is inexcusable and pathetic. I would get a former agent in as a consultant help with decisiveness in negotiations and work with Ralph to get deals over the line. Plenty of deals have shown you don’t need to spend megabucks. There’s a naivety about how the club is operating in a sharp industry.

That said, there’s no excuse for some players reporting back unfit. The internationals are not an excuse, every club has lost a key or two from those. Fine the players concerned and Poch style double training until they are back in post lockdown shape. A bit of throwing up will do them some good.

Unprofessional from top to bottom, especially after the lazy start to last season as well. RH has to take some of the responsibility although at least unlike the weak Puel and Pellegrino he has put some public pressure on the board to pull their fingers out in public.

 

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10 hours ago, TWar said:

I think we need someone who can progress play up the pitch next to JWP as we kept giving it away having to play the long switch to the high up fullbacks, we need another option who can carry the ball. 

I think Redmond is an excellent player but he has definitely had a slower start and him going down injured has shown what could happen if both him and Armstrong are out and it isn't pretty. I think neither Tella or Smallbone is up to pushing them at the moment and we need a depth signing at winger to put pressure on Redmond and Armstrong. 

Bednarek has been surprisingly poor too in the last two games with his positioning being very questionable. I think as soon as we can get Salisu in and fit we need to play him. No need for another cb until we see how he does though. 

Hey buddy! Kind of like a running back? WE could deploy JWP as a quarter back with his offensive ball playing skills he can pick out Redmond and Djenepo as the wide recievers in behind their corner backs, then with a running back able to bring the ball forward in behind their middle line backers? What do you think buddy, kinda looks like a winning formula, hey!

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Now worried we're selling Ings, maybe to Spurs, having read Ralph's comments. He's clearly exasperated about lack of funds and signings, and isn't happy. Something very wrong at the moment behind the scenes, judging by his words. Selling Ings means relegation.

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11 hours ago, Dusic said:

FWIW most Everton fans think Davies is awful, especially off the ball which is why they brought in Allan and Doucoure.

For what he would cost he isn't a good option IMO.

But we need new faces soon, even more so if Redmond's injury is bad.

Everton are looking to offload, wondering if Fabian Delph could be a better bet ,maybe  season loan... 30yo but can play across midfield. Has had decent seasons in the past.  

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2 minutes ago, ButtikonSaint said:

Everton are looking to offload, wondering if Fabian Delph could be a better bet ,maybe  season loan... 30yo but can play across midfield. Has had decent seasons in the past.  

I thought Delph as well.  A solid proven prem player Who’s versatile as well.  Given he’s been at city then Everton though I wonder whether wages would be an issue

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1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Hey buddy! Kind of like a running back? WE could deploy JWP as a quarter back with his offensive ball playing skills he can pick out Redmond and Djenepo as the wide recievers in behind their corner backs, then with a running back able to bring the ball forward in behind their middle line backers? What do you think buddy, kinda looks like a winning formula, hey!

I mean yeah, a bit. I'm a little confused by this comment, are you just bringing up that I enjoy NFL?

I think, if you insist on using NFL lingo for some reason, our style of play relies on many "quarterbacks" ie. players who can play the ball forward successfully and break the lines. I don't think it is a coincidence that we brought on Vestergaard at half time at palace and he immediately started playing those high diagonals. Problem is, Vestergaard is marketedly worse defensively than Bednarek. This kind of leaves us with few options: We could hope that Salisu is an all purpose wonder-player who has greater defensive qualities than Bednarek with the passing range of a Vestergaard, which would be handy but from reports he is great defensively but nothing special with the ball at his feet. Secondly we could try to funnel everything through JWP and have him be our sole "QB", but if he is well marshalled in the middle it means we are reduced to playing long hopeful balls with players who can't really pass so not ideal. Or thirdly we buy a second "QB" and replace Romeu with him.

People complain about our attacking endeavour and how our wingers aren't doing well enough, but to continue the NFL analogy, our "wide receivers" (RB, KWP, NR, ect.) are getting open in good positions we just don't have the quality to break the lines to find them. A similar situation to OBJ at the browns, all the talent, often free, not getting good enough service from a mediocre Mayfield. They do need to work harder defensively though, they have clearly come back unfit and are not pressing nearly as well or aggressively as last season. That will hopefully be sorted by a few weeks of brutal training drills from Ralph.

All I'm saying with any of this is that a single first team player could fix everything, we don't need a big overhaul we just need another deep lying playmaker to play Ralphs "long speculative balls into high-press" style. Would be helpful if he could run with the ball too (though that doesn't make him a running back, quarterbacks rush too, there is no real running back equivalent in football, maybe 1v1 dribblers like Traore, but running backs don't pass. A running back that passes is a quarterback).

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45 minutes ago, the saint in winchester said:

Shouldn't we be looking at old boy Nathaniel Clyne, available as a free agent? Now supposedly going to train with Crystal Palace to keep fit.

Now we've got Walker-Peters (and Valery as backup) it's not really a position we need. I guess at his best he was probably slightly better that KWP, but think that may be long behind him unfortunately. Doesn't particularly help our desperate lack of centre midfielders, wingers or goal scorers (aside from Ings). 

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The stupid thing about the central midfield position is that the club would have known for about a year that Hojbjerg would very likely be leaving this summer, and that we would be looking to get shot of Lemina. There was also talk of us allowing Romeu to leave in January.

They must have a whole host of targets in that area as have had ages to scout players specifically for RH's style and to tee up potential deals, much like the Salisu one which has probably been in the offing since January.

Lets hope some of those are still available and that we are just playing a good waiting game, rather than scrambling to find someone available on loan. Our current depth would see us absolutely screwed if JWP picked up a mid severity injury.

Across the whole squad there is only really GK and CB with any real competition for places, all others aside from maybe Adams are nailed starters when fit and thats not healthy.

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45 minutes ago, disconnect said:

Now we've got Walker-Peters (and Valery as backup) it's not really a position we need. I guess at his best he was probably slightly better that KWP, but think that may be long behind him unfortunately. Doesn't particularly help our desperate lack of centre midfielders, wingers or goal scorers (aside from Ings). 

He was much better than KWP currently is, but agree his best days appear to be long behind him. Hopefully KWP can scale similar heights

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3 hours ago, disconnect said:

Now we've got Walker-Peters (and Valery as backup) it's not really a position we need. I guess at his best he was probably slightly better that KWP, but think that may be long behind him unfortunately. Doesn't particularly help our desperate lack of centre midfielders, wingers or goal scorers (aside from Ings). 

Are we rewriting history again? Peak Clyne was far far better than KWP is, that’s why a team like Liverpool came in for him. 

Wouldn’t be able to say how good a fit Clyne would be - probably still better than Valery though.

 

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1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

Is it me, or is Ralph sounding a bit pissed with the lack of numbers in the squad?

He's got every right to, we've got nothing beyond that 11.

A little... but he’s the one who wanted a small squad (I know we are short of a midfielder, arguably 2 if Boufal goes).

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Oh.

My.

God.

This is like bloody groundhog day. ( Not digging at anybody on here cos youre all right).

No news from the club.

No mention of signings.

No money.

Crap start to the season.

Desperately wishing to sign our ex players.

All expectation killed after the first week.

Oh to be a saints fan. I feel like punching myself in the face.

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24 minutes ago, gammon cheeks said:

Thats a better bench than we had the other night!

That would be Clyne who hasn’t played for a year and a half, Surman the unused sub for relegated Bournemouth and Dyer the unused sub for Championship Swansea.

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Hey guys, long time reader and first time poster from Australia. I’ll open by saying I’m an amateur in the ways of the EPL but I do find it frustrating that we seem to always be looking for the next big thing in the form of some unknown young obscure player nobody has heard of. Wouldn’t it be great if the club thought about the needs of the fans I.e. some consistent on-field results, and subsequently tried to sign some proven EPL players? 

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1 hour ago, Straya said:

Hey guys, long time reader and first time poster from Australia. I’ll open by saying I’m an amateur in the ways of the EPL but I do find it frustrating that we seem to always be looking for the next big thing in the form of some unknown young obscure player nobody has heard of. Wouldn’t it be great if the club thought about the needs of the fans I.e. some consistent on-field results, and subsequently tried to sign some proven EPL players? 

Welcome. I guess you haven't heard about agents' fees and national insurance contributions over in Australia, huh?

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21 hours ago, TWar said:

I mean yeah, a bit. I'm a little confused by this comment, are you just bringing up that I enjoy NFL?

I think, if you insist on using NFL lingo for some reason, our style of play relies on many "quarterbacks" ie. players who can play the ball forward successfully and break the lines. I don't think it is a coincidence that we brought on Vestergaard at half time at palace and he immediately started playing those high diagonals. Problem is, Vestergaard is marketedly worse defensively than Bednarek. This kind of leaves us with few options: We could hope that Salisu is an all purpose wonder-player who has greater defensive qualities than Bednarek with the passing range of a Vestergaard, which would be handy but from reports he is great defensively but nothing special with the ball at his feet. Secondly we could try to funnel everything through JWP and have him be our sole "QB", but if he is well marshalled in the middle it means we are reduced to playing long hopeful balls with players who can't really pass so not ideal. Or thirdly we buy a second "QB" and replace Romeu with him.

People complain about our attacking endeavour and how our wingers aren't doing well enough, but to continue the NFL analogy, our "wide receivers" (RB, KWP, NR, ect.) are getting open in good positions we just don't have the quality to break the lines to find them. A similar situation to OBJ at the browns, all the talent, often free, not getting good enough service from a mediocre Mayfield. They do need to work harder defensively though, they have clearly come back unfit and are not pressing nearly as well or aggressively as last season. That will hopefully be sorted by a few weeks of brutal training drills from Ralph.

All I'm saying with any of this is that a single first team player could fix everything, we don't need a big overhaul we just need another deep lying playmaker to play Ralphs "long speculative balls into high-press" style. Would be helpful if he could run with the ball too (though that doesn't make him a running back, quarterbacks rush too, there is no real running back equivalent in football, maybe 1v1 dribblers like Traore, but running backs don't pass. A running back that passes is a quarterback).

Totally agree.

We've needed a creative influence in central midfield for years. Lemina was supposed to provide it but we've never replaced him, despite giving up on any attempt to reintegrate him. 

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23 hours ago, Barsiem said:

I thought Delph as well.  A solid proven prem player Who’s versatile as well.  Given he’s been at city then Everton though I wonder whether wages would be an issue

Good quality player, which is what we need (quality), but has had injury problems, which would put us off, I suspect. Everton would have to pay half his wages for us to consider him. 

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10 hours ago, Killers Knee said:

Nathaniel Clyne, Andrew Surman & Nathan Dyer all available on a free

They were all very good for us years ago but not now. Will probably sign for Poole Town,

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On 16/09/2020 at 17:58, adriansfc said:

Over the hill is such bullshit. He's not even old. Just fallen out with a manager and not played enough, with often causes little injuries.

 

You are right, but he has had his fair share of injury problems over the last four years, not just since Zidane returned. He only played 23 league games in the 2015/16 season and 19 in 2016/17 season. This created frustration for Zidane and probably led to the falling out. He was forced to pick young players, who did well, which meant Bale wasn't first choice. They didn't see eye to eye from then on. Zidane returning was obviously the worst thing that could happen for Bale.

I've not seen him a lot in recent times, but he's still a top player, but he seems a different type of player now, more powerful, but maybe not as quick? It will be interesting to see where he is played.

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11 hours ago, Hawkswood said:

Oh.

My.

God.

This is like bloody groundhog day. ( Not digging at anybody on here cos youre all right).

No news from the club.

No mention of signings.

No money.

Crap start to the season.

Desperately wishing to sign our ex players.

All expectation killed after the first week.

Oh to be a saints fan. I feel like punching myself in the face.

You’re right.  We’re following a very similar pattern.

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12 hours ago, Pilchards said:

Maybe we are trying to shift all the deadwood out to make way for some better players on the takeover?

We can dream hey?

My worry is current owners wanting to maximise their cash by selling the crown jewels before they exit too, though.

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