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35 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Sure other clubs will be sniffing about after him.

👌 see what you did there

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3 hours ago, the saint in winchester said:

Clyne on a free? Salary is currently £60k pw.

(Dons tin hat ready for pelters)

Possibility of a Clyne and Lallana dream team return - 2020 then complete...

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3 hours ago, Miltonaggro said:

Possibility of a Clyne and Lallana dream team return - 2020 then complete...

given the financial situation I'm not too adverse to that possibility, regardless of the past. Clyne would be good experience for Valery to learn off as still think he will be good despite how he has looked in these first two games! Lallana would be less neccessary but hes still a quality player I think, better than most of ours, but the uestion is whether he would fit RH style. Lallana in, Boufal out? The reality is that this summer will be one of wheeling and dealing getting out as many as possbile primarily. 2 x CBs are the priority for me. 

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11 minutes ago, MarkSFC said:

given the financial situation I'm not too adverse to that possibility, regardless of the past. Clyne would be good experience for Valery to learn off as still think he will be good despite how he has looked in these first two games! Lallana would be less neccessary but hes still a quality player I think, better than most of ours, but the uestion is whether he would fit RH style. Lallana in, Boufal out? The reality is that this summer will be one of wheeling and dealing getting out as many as possbile primarily. 2 x CBs are the priority for me. 

Agree about the overriding priority in the middle, and I would certainly consider Clyne at 29 - a year older than Cedric, but a better all round player IMO.  Lallana a no from me, 32 now and just too much previous to return successfully - West Ham on £80k a week most likely.  In many ways it would be good to bring some experience and character into this side alongside prospects, might address the nerves and ability to self-harm, Ralph must know candidates from the Bundesliga. 

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I’d fucking love it if Saints just went out and bought someone’s first team keeper, someone with a decent reputation, not some bench warmer or flappy handed addition to our current crop of under achievers.

Anyone know of any teams with a solid first choice that we could realistically get?

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11 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

I’d fucking love it if Saints just went out and bought someone’s first team keeper, someone with a decent reputation, not some bench warmer or flappy handed addition to our current crop of under achievers.

Anyone know of any teams with a solid first choice that we could realistically get?

Can't think of one from the EPL, in previous years the bottom 3  might have been a recruiting ground but nothing special there, although the Bournemouth young keeper has ahd some good reviews.

Championship ? Bentley at Bristol City was considered a decent prospect a few years ago, no idea if he's living up to that. Has Butland recovered from his wobble now ? Not sure he's an improvement on Gunn.

Hope Ralph can raid the Bundesliga.

Irrespective of where a new GK might be recruited from, a bigger challenge might be offloading one of the current ones.

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56 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

I’d fucking love it if Saints just went out and bought someone’s first team keeper, someone with a decent reputation, not some bench warmer or flappy handed addition to our current crop of under achievers.

Anyone know of any teams with a solid first choice that we could realistically get?

Celtic.

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1 hour ago, bpsaint said:

I’d fucking love it if Saints just went out and bought someone’s first team keeper, someone with a decent reputation, not some bench warmer or flappy handed addition to our current crop of under achievers.

Anyone know of any teams with a solid first choice that we could realistically get?

Predrag Rajković from Reims

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Why the hell I am seing reports of us willing to loan Elyounoussi, Lemina and Forster again?

it doesn t make sense we need the salaries off our books, just at a lower price. It is better for the long term. 
The longer they stay here the less value they will have And we will still be covering part of their salary as teams won t be paying 100%
 

Am I missing something?

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7 minutes ago, stevy777_x said:

Why the hell I am seing reports of us willing to loan Elyounoussi, Lemina and Forster again?

it doesn t make sense we need the salaries off our books, just at a lower price. It is better for the long term. 
The longer they stay here the less value they will have And we will still be covering part of their salary as teams won t be paying 100%
 

Am I missing something?

Yes no one wants to buy and pay them what we do

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1 hour ago, SaintsFan86 said:

Celtic.

I’m guessing you’re talking about Gordon and not Forster?

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Gunn signed for us off the back of a good season for Norwich, shame he didn't work out. 

Raya at Brentford looks quite good.

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Likely scenario, IMO:

Carillo - loan til ens of his contract in 2021

Lemina - two more years of loan til his contract ends in 2022

Hoedt - as above

Elyounoussi - 3 more years on loan til his contract ends in 2023

Forster - loan most likely for two more years til end of contract.

Vestergaard - probably a loan as well

Boufal - will probably sell to any bidder to avoid losing him on a free next summer.

At least we can sell Adams most likely, but the above shows what a shitshow our recruitment has been.

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37 minutes ago, stevy777_x said:

Why the hell I am seing reports of us willing to loan Elyounoussi, Lemina and Forster again?

it doesn t make sense we need the salaries off our books, just at a lower price. It is better for the long term. 
The longer they stay here the less value they will have And we will still be covering part of their salary as teams won t be paying 100%
 

Am I missing something?

Yes. You're not in the real world. No-one wants to buy them and match their salaries. Therefore their best option is to stay. Do you seriously think you can make them leave?

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30 minutes ago, HarvSFC said:

Gunn signed for us off the back of a good season for Norwich, shame he didn't work out. 

Raya at Brentford looks quite good.

I think the Brentford DoF, and Head of Recruitment have regualrly been mentioned on here in the past when speculating as to where we should be looking. They've done a cracking job on limited resources for a few seasons now. 

If their HoR was the one we were wating for previously ('won't be appointed until the summer as at another club') then you wonder if it would now happen at all, if Brentford go up.

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1 hour ago, Cartman said:

Predrag Rajković from Reims

A double deal for him and Disasi would be nice.

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13 minutes ago, Shroppie said:

Yes. You're not in the real world. No-one wants to buy them and match their salaries. Therefore their best option is to stay. Do you seriously think you can make them leave?

If you accept lower fees then our asking price, of course we can make them leave.

2 summers ago and last summer we were playing hard ball With our asking Price and then when there was no other choice we loaned him in the last days of the transfer window.

We signed him for 20 million and Didn t want to make too much of a loss thinking his value would maybe increase as he would do well in his loan spell.

we should have just swallowed our pride and accepted a lower, it would have made more financial sense.

 

As for Lemina, he has had a good season in Turkey, there will be plenty of suitors for him on permanent deal.

loaning them now and not waiting how the market will be is ridiculous, it has hardly got going yet.

there will be some player movement later on.

 

Am i in the real world

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40 minutes ago, stevy777_x said:

If you accept lower fees then our asking price, of course we can make them leave.

2 summers ago and last summer we were playing hard ball With our asking Price and then when there was no other choice we loaned him in the last days of the transfer window.

We signed him for 20 million and Didn t want to make too much of a loss thinking his value would maybe increase as he would do well in his loan spell.

we should have just swallowed our pride and accepted a lower, it would have made more financial sense.

 

As for Lemina, he has had a good season in Turkey, there will be plenty of suitors for him on permanent deal.

loaning them now and not waiting how the market will be is ridiculous, it has hardly got going yet.

there will be some player movement later on.

 

Am i in the real world

If there are "plenty of suitors" then we would be able to sell for the fee we need and they'd take his contract and salary on. Job done.

But there isn't. Just clubs who could do a deal on loan while we have to cover some of his contract. This is because other clubs aren't mental and/or don't have Premier League budgets.

We've lumbered ourselves, as plenty of Premier League clubs do with players that don't work out.

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1 hour ago, Dusic said:

Likely scenario, IMO:

Carillo - loan til ens of his contract in 2021

Lemina - two more years of loan til his contract ends in 2022

Hoedt - as above

Elyounoussi - 3 more years on loan til his contract ends in 2023

Forster - loan most likely for two more years til end of contract.

Vestergaard - probably a loan as well

Boufal - will probably sell to any bidder to avoid losing him on a free next summer.

At least we can sell Adams most likely, but the above shows what a shitshow our recruitment has been.

I think we may take another look at Lemina. 

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1 hour ago, stevy777_x said:

If you accept lower fees then our asking price, of course we can make them leave.

2 summers ago and last summer we were playing hard ball With our asking Price and then when there was no other choice we loaned him in the last days of the transfer window.

We signed him for 20 million and Didn t want to make too much of a loss thinking his value would maybe increase as he would do well in his loan spell.

we should have just swallowed our pride and accepted a lower, it would have made more financial sense.

 

As for Lemina, he has had a good season in Turkey, there will be plenty of suitors for him on permanent deal.

loaning them now and not waiting how the market will be is ridiculous, it has hardly got going yet.

there will be some player movement later on.

 

Am i in the real world

I’m afraid not.

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Going to guess the ins are likely going to be on this level (which I wouldn't mind tbh):
Lallana
KWP
Ntcham

 

If Bournemouth go down that Brooks guy might be worth a look at? (if some money is found down the back of a sofa)

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6 hours ago, Glasses said:

Going to guess the ins are likely going to be on this level (which I wouldn't mind tbh):
Lallana
KWP
Ntcham

 

If Bournemouth go down that Brooks guy might be worth a look at? (if some money is found down the back of a sofa)

If that's our transfer business then we deserve to go down nxt season 

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Hasenhuttl pretty clear in part two of yesterdays presser that we will be active in the positions that are a problem for us (RB and CB) plus needing to replace Hojbjerg. He also said of KWP something along the lines of him being hard to sign permanently, presumably because his price is unrealistic, but that he will get a chance to play.

Interesting that is now near the end of June and no sign of the RB we identified (presumably Zeefuik).

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/18492337.soutampton-want-bolster-ralph-hasenhuttls-defensive-options-month/

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Has to be the defence that gets sorted first. Bednarek and Bertrand are our only 2 PL quality players at the back, which highlights what a job Ralph has done. The likes of Stephens and Valery will never be good enough for this level. 

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May be optimistic but I think we may see our ins as:

Salisu/Disasi

Ntcham

KWP/another rightback

and a new young unproven attacking midfield to replace Boufal.

 

Out hopefully:

Forster

Moi

Hojbjerg

Vestergaard

Boufal

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21 minutes ago, TWar said:

May be optimistic but I think we may see our ins as:

Salisu/Disasi

Ntcham

KWP/another rightback

and a new young unproven attacking midfield to replace Boufal.

 

Out hopefully:

Forster

Moi

Hojbjerg

Vestergaard

Boufal

You def need to add Hoedt & Lemina to your outgoings :)

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2 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

You def need to add Hoedt & Lemina to your outgoings :)

I was trying to only list permanent outgoings, I see both of them getting loaned out again.

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17 hours ago, LeG said:

I think we may take another look at Lemina. 

I'm not so sure. I think there's a serious question of whether his attitude is ever going to be right. I've good reason to believe he's the club's biggest problem..

 

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23 hours ago, bpsaint said:

I’d fucking love it if Saints just went out and bought someone’s first team keeper, someone with a decent reputation, not some bench warmer or flappy handed addition to our current crop of under achievers.

Anyone know of any teams with a solid first choice that we could realistically get?

Ben Foster if Watford go down.

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21 hours ago, LeG said:

I think we may take another look at Lemina. 

Has there ever been a player we’ve shipped out, but then give it another go and he turns it around. Recently, it’s been Clasie, Gaston, Boufal, nobody ever seem to “come good”. 

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2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Has there ever been a player we’ve shipped out, but then give it another go and he turns it around. Recently, it’s been Clasie, Gaston, Boufal, nobody ever seem to “come good”. 

Puncheon to a limited degree, although before our promotion.

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5 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Has there ever been a player we’ve shipped out, but then give it another go and he turns it around. Recently, it’s been Clasie, Gaston, Boufal, nobody ever seem to “come good”. 

The Difference here is that Lemina is clearly has ability and is suited to the PL. wether or not he’s suited to Ralph’s style or has the attitude to give it a go is a different matter and probably won’t know until you chuck him in. 
 

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17 minutes ago, SKD said:

The Difference here is that Lemina is clearly has ability and is suited to the PL. wether or not he’s suited to Ralph’s style or has the attitude to give it a go is a different matter and probably won’t know until you chuck him in. 
 

Oh god. Not another one that “clearly has ability”. 
 

like Gaston & Boufal I’ll judge him in a saints shirt, and he’s been a monumental waste of money, like those 2. Throw in his apparent attitude problem, and it’s a no from me. 

Edited by Lord Duckhunter

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4 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Ben Foster if Watford go down.

He’s just signed a new deal, so it would either be a no or a big money fee

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11 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Ben Foster if Watford go down.

37 now and has improved with age, not sure he will be on our radar though.

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On 6/26/2020 at 7:44 PM, Badger said:

Can't think of one from the EPL, in previous years the bottom 3  might have been a recruiting ground but nothing special there, although the Bournemouth young keeper has ahd some good reviews.

Championship ? Bentley at Bristol City was considered a decent prospect a few years ago, no idea if he's living up to that. Has Butland recovered from his wobble now ? Not sure he's an improvement on Gunn.

Hope Ralph can raid the Bundesliga.

Irrespective of where a new GK might be recruited from, a bigger challenge might be offloading one of the current ones.

Bentley started the season well, but has dropped off as season went on. Was very poor and culpable for several goals in their recent loss at Blackburn. Would be no from me

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Ntcham not being a regular at Celtic seems a worry to me, is that just Lennon being a bit of an old fashioned manager/different system that he doesn't fit into? 

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27 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

Ntcham not being a regular at Celtic seems a worry to me, is that just Lennon being a bit of an old fashioned manager/different system that he doesn't fit into? 

Armstrong wasn't a regular either to be fair, and he has been doing great.

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Just now, TWar said:

Armstrong wasn't a regular either to be fair, and he has been doing great.

True, though he took a little while to work his way in. 

Just find it odd that according to that article Celtic 'rate him highly' but aren't playing him, just wondered what the issues were. 

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3 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

True, though he took a little while to work his way in. 

Just find it odd that according to that article Celtic 'rate him highly' but aren't playing him, just wondered what the issues were. 

Maybe it’s tactical.   Not sure.   Porto wanted him for big money a year or so ago, which Celtic rejected. 
 

Maybe we can get him cheaper if we pay the majority of FF’s wages.

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3 hours ago, SuperSAINT said:

If anything shows the levels of how difficult it is to shift them permanently, it’s the 15k a week they were paying FF!

Well Noone wanted to touch FF last summer, clubs weren t even sure about his mental state, this summer there will be suitors for a permanent deal.

Lemina, I reckon we should have loaned him to Wolves even if they were not prepared to buy him the following summer, it would have driven his price up.

Having a good season in the turkish league, there will be suitors but maybe not at the price we are looking for.

Still think it is better to take a hit than to let him leave on loan again as he will only have one year left summer and his price will plummet.

As for Carillo, no one will want to pay a fee for him now, so it will come down to either doing another loan till his contract runs out next summer or terminating his contract whatever is the cheaper option for us.  
 

I m sure there will be suitors for Hoedt and Elyounoussi but not at the price we want, it is still better than letting them leave on loan again.

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59 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

True, though he took a little while to work his way in. 

Just find it odd that according to that article Celtic 'rate him highly' but aren't playing him, just wondered what the issues were. 

I read one article - posted on the site before the changeover so it may be on here or not - where Celtic fans were highly critical of him giving a half hearted performance in an important CL match.

Although VD, and Wanyama, even Forster came here with good reputations, there isn't a lot to get excited about in this signing if it happens. Went to Man City at an younf age but has been farmed out by them ever since. Of course it's difficult to force your way into things there as a younf player, and some leave to make it elsewhere, Trippier for example, but he then had a decent record at Burnley. Ntcham looks bang average from his record to date.

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Yes but VVD came to Saints with many doubting his mindset (not his ability) as he switched off in games in Scotland and was prone to silly errors.

PLaying in a more competitive league with better players allowed VVD to thrive and become the player he is now:  we can't afford to buy "perfect" players and it does not fit well into our model.  Look at the disastrous buys we have made trying to buy "ready made" players: Lemina, Hoedt, Vestegaard, Elyounoussi, Carillo, etc

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10 minutes ago, washsaint said:

Yes but VVD came to Saints with many doubting his mindset (not his ability) as he switched off in games in Scotland and was prone to silly errors.

PLaying in a more competitive league with better players allowed VVD to thrive and become the player he is now:  we can't afford to buy "perfect" players and it does not fit well into our model.  Look at the disastrous buys we have made trying to buy "ready made" players: Lemina, Hoedt, Vestegaard, Elyounoussi, Carillo, etc

True, but both VD and Wanyama were recognised regulars at Parkhead even if there remained a question over whether they could 'step up' into our league. Same can't be said of Ntacham.

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4 minutes ago, Badger said:

True, but both VD and Wanyama were recognised regulars at Parkhead even if there remained a question over whether they could 'step up' into our league. Same can't be said of Ntacham.

Ntcham played in 22 of their 30 league games this season, plus he played in 11 European games this season.

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On 6/26/2020 at 7:44 PM, Badger said:

Can't think of one from the EPL, in previous years the bottom 3  might have been a recruiting ground but nothing special there, although the Bournemouth young keeper has ahd some good reviews.

Championship ? Bentley at Bristol City was considered a decent prospect a few years ago, no idea if he's living up to that. Has Butland recovered from his wobble now ? Not sure he's an improvement on Gunn.

Hope Ralph can raid the Bundesliga.

Irrespective of where a new GK might be recruited from, a bigger challenge might be offloading one of the current ones.

We would have to offload two not one.

we barely managed to shift one out on loan this season, so a new keeper is a massive no from me.

our limited transfer budget is needed elsewhere.

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