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The first question should be about travel times on the A1 to Durham.

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That cnt from the public should have changed it to a Cummings question. Laughable how stupid they think we are. Well see above to see examples of gullible lapdogs

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What on earth do you mean? Are you implying that

when the Government was stating that you shouldn't travel they only meant that you shouldn't travel by public transport?

I think you need to read the Governments guide to safer travel for morons, here.

Specifically:

Consider all other forms of transport before using public transport.

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Shapps epitomises this government. Jenny answer for me

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Shapps trying to change the guidelines and the Dr trying desperately to not be thrown under a bus.

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Why aren’t they asking me about puncture repair kit vouchers?

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I think you need to read the Governments guide to safer travel for morons, here.

Specifically:

I hope you have read it then;

I am a moron..........

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Cummings has built his career on the back of useful idiots, and today is fantastic evidence of that.

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I think you need to read the Governments guide to safer travel for morons, here.

Specifically:

 

So it is very unlikely that he used public transport. Why did you bring it up? Don't you understand instructions for morons?

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So it is very unlikely that he used public transport. Why did you bring it up? Don't you understand instructions for morons?

Be gentle on him, that guidance was published 6 weeks AFTER Cummins' trip to Durham. Creating guidance for 'morons' is difficult as you have to try to find a way to present it that they are capable of understanding.

 

Government advice at the time emphasised:

 

- Not visiting second homes, whether for isolation purposes or holidays

- Not leaving your home, the place you live, to stay at another home

- Remaining at your primary residence, to avoid putting additional pressure on communities and services at risk

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So we have her detailed account of their time in London with the child, no mention of babysitters or their virus-riddled record-breaking no-refuelling or toilet-stop-for-a-four-year-old drive to Durham.

A trip not mentioned even though they claim it was okay, when the government instruction was to not leave home for any reason.....

The sister and niece arrived late to the party when the parents-angle didn't wash, now we hear of family in London who could have helped, as well as people like Sainsbury's, as the main issue was for shopping to be left at the door of some farm building in a plague town.

Add in Durham police not speaking to his family and this is starting to become the sort of version of events that senior cabinet ministers might want to distance themselves from.

At the moment they're standing shoulder-to-shoulder with him, sticking two fingers up in the face of isolated voters, ignoring the health secretary, medical advisors and the PM's own words, and calling the police liars.

Not a good look.

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Now so many Tory MP’s are seemingly so concerned about the welfare of a 4 year old boy, I look forward to them reversing the decision to open schools. As Gove mentioned, we can’t eliminate all risk.

 

It’s nice to see this new caring side they’ve suddenly developed in the last 24 hours.

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Wonder of all the Tories on here will disagree with The Spectator saying Cummings should go?

 

Good on them

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Wonder of all the Tories on here will disagree with The Spectator saying Cummings should go?

 

Good on them

Isn’t his wife the editor? :lol:

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Wonder of all the Tories on here will disagree with The Spectator saying Cummings should go?

 

Good on them

"The suspicion remains that somewhere, deep in their hearts, the cabinet’s collective reaction to this scandal – for such it is – is predicated on a still darker appreciation of an unwelcome political reality. Namely that the Prime Minister, whatever his other talents, is not actually up to the job of running the country in a moment such as this. I suspect they know this too and this leads them to a situation in which they decline to concede anything for fear that a single concession might topple the entire rickety edifice."

 

From The Spectator -"Why Dominic Cummins must go".

 

( Not sure if this link will work for long )

 

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:O4i2WVyKs6YJ:https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-dominic-cummings-must-go&client=firefox-b-d&hl=en&gl=uk&strip=1&vwsrc=0

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This Cummings debate is really interesting.

 

Personally, as someone who has voted conservative for a while now, I have been of the opinion that the Government haven't done too badly with the Covid crisis. Sure, they have made mistakes, but no more than Labour would have made if they were in the same situation. But this Cummings-defence has really got me. When you are sitting in on the SAGE committee, the body who effectively controls the regulations, you absolutely cannot drive to a property 250 miles away from where you live. The guidance, at the time, was totally clear. During that time period, the Government were so strong with their stay at home message that this a clearly a breach of his own lockdown regulations. Trying to defend his actions damages the integrity of the Government and I have been very disappointed to read tweets from all the big-wigs defending this. It also sets a dangerous precedent: if we have a second wave and have to go into lockdown again, how many people are likely to use questionable 'common sense' when they get symptoms?

 

For that reason, Cummings simply has to go. If he doesn't resign, Boris must sack him. It is hard to understand how the cabinet can defend such a blatant breach and as a conservative voter I am disappointed.

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Why Dominic Cummings must go

23 May 2020, 3:32pm

Why Dominic Cummings must go

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Most aspects of this present emergency are complex and resist easy solutions. Only a handful are elementary but one of these, and quite obviously so, is the Dominic Cummings affair. He must go and he must go now. There is no alternative, no other way out, no means by which this ship can be saved. The only question is the number of casualties Cummings will take with him.

Judged by the cabinet’s performance on social media this weekend, the answer to that question is also simple: all of them. It cannot be stressed too often that the government’s authority during this crisis is moral much more than it is legal. The lockdown measures were presented as a great national collective endeavour and they were accepted by the public on those terms too. Now it seems they were optional so long as, that is, you have the correct connections.

Advisors are, by definition, disposable. When they become the story, you cut them loose. That is the rule and it exists for a very good reason. Otherwise, attention soon shifts from the advisor to their masters. Right now, the government appears to believe Cummings is indispensable and, consequently, more important than the coherence and credibility of the government’s own messaging. That is quite a conclusion to reach and one unlikely to be shared by the general public.

This government now suffers from a credibility gap and the problem with such things is that, once opened and apparent, these gaps never close. The longer Cummings remains in post, the surer it is that the government will become, at best, a laughing stock.

It doesn’t even matter if what he did was appropriate or sensible or a reasonable means by which an awkward or complicated situation might best be managed. All that could be true and it wouldn’t change a thing. Perception is sometimes more important and here the perception is that there is one set of rules for government insiders and another, quite different, set of rules for everyone else. That is not just the perception, either, for it appears to be the reality too and will remain so, and be understood as such, for as long as Dominic Cummings remains in post. You may sympathise with his predicament – an unwell wife, a small child – all you like and it doesn’t change a thing.

Cabinet minister, mysteriously, are setting fire to their own credibility and authority in defending Cummings. There are millions of people across the country who have made considerable sacrifices, borne significant hardship, during this lockdown. They have done so for the greater good, recognising that they must do their little bit as part of a much greater endeavour. Weddings have been postponed; funerals have been left unattended; families have been separated. Little of this experience has been easy and much of it has been hard.

It is baffling that the government appears unable to see the damage this story will do to its already rocky reputation. Cummings’s judgement is one thing – and in the grander scheme of things, neither here nor there – but the longer this story rumbles on so the surer it is that attention will switch to the man who hired him. The point of a human shield is that you must be prepared to lose them if that proves necessary and this is something even Boris Johnson must be capable of grasping. It is his judgement that is now the issue.

The suspicion remains that somewhere, deep in their hearts, the cabinet’s collective reaction to this scandal – for such it is – is predicated on a still darker appreciation of an unwelcome political reality. Namely that the Prime Minister, whatever his other talents, is not actually up to the job of running the country in a moment such as this. I suspect they know this too and this leads them to a situation in which they decline to concede anything for fear that a single concession might topple the entire rickety edifice.

Perhaps I am mistaken about that but I can see no other logical explanation for the manner in which the government has reacted to this story. There is an old rule in crisis management stating that you should always do quickly what you will be forced to do eventually anyway. That means sacking Cummings now and it is astonishing that this appears beyond Downing Street.

You cannot – and again, this is elementary – run this crisis on a 'do as I say, not as I do' basis. And yet that is what the country is now expected to swallow. It is madness and a blunder of career-defining, perhaps even career-ruining, proportions.

A joke, then, albeit not an especially amusing one. Surely someone in Downing Street can appreciate this? This is a shipwreck and all the smart people who say this will blow over or fail to 'cut through' with the public are, I think, sorely mistaken. This is not a difficult story to understand, which is why it is so very powerful.

Again, and above all, this is a moral matter not a legal one and, by virtue of that, a much bigger and more profound affair. The Prime Minister has a simple choice: cut Dominic Cummings loose or be dragged down with him. This ought to be a pretty easy decision.

 

 

Hmmm

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Cheers for full article. Wes thinks it will blow over.

 

Twitter is very angry from all sides. Credibility clearly lost. It’s not about politics just the rank hypocrisy and Shapps basically we could have used our judgement all along.

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Hmmm

 

Coming from the Spectator, Johnson's old employer and written by a confidant of his - its pretty damning.

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Posted (edited)

It’s now being reported that he actually broke lockdown twice, with a second trip to Durham :lol::mcinnes:

 

Game over now, if it wasn’t already. It makes the tweets from the ‘big guns’ even more embarrassing today too.

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Spot on from Soubry

 

 

It’s what happens when an established charlatan becomes Prime Minister & surrounds himself with 3rdrate yes men & women of limited ability & integrity. What’s absolutely frightening is that we’re in the middle of a dangerous national crisis & this shower of liars are in charge.

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That Scottish MP had to resign after going to her second home about 50 miles away, yet the Government are supporting someone who twice drove to the other end of the country when the advice was to stay at home.

 

Not sacking him now will harm the Government. It's not just supporters of opposition parties who are up in arms, it seems as if it's the majority of the public.

 

Will be interesting to see what the Tory supporting papers have as headlines tomorrow.

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All this story shows is there is one rule for the Westminster metropolitan elite establishment like Dominic Cummings and one rule for the ordinary working people like the rest of us.

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It’s now being reported that he actually broke lockdown twice, with a second trip to Durham :lol::mcinnes:

 

Game over now, if it wasn’t already. It makes the tweets from the ‘big guns’ even more embarrassing today too.

 

And it turns out he visited Barnard Castle whilst up in Durham. :lol:

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It’s amazing how the left loons were screaming how unclear the government guidelines were only a week ago. Now theyve got a sniff of controversy the guidelines couldn’t be clearer......

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When people like Tory loving Julia Hartley-Brewer are incandescent with rage about it you know you've lost the room.

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It’s amazing how the left loons were screaming how unclear the government guidelines were only a week ago. Now theyve got a sniff of controversy the guidelines couldn’t be clearer......

 

To be fair, this all took place when the instructions were “stay at home” way before Boris’ comical ‘stay alert’ announcement.

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To be fair, this all took place when the instructions were “stay at home”

 

The fact that 3 of them have now been caught, just goes to show they never really believed it made much of a difference anyway.

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Surely Boris' Brexit Gollum can't survive this f*ck up?

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The fact that 3 of them have now been caught, just goes to show they never really believed it made much of a difference anyway.

 

Cummings never believed in the lockdown strategy from day one. It’s interesting that the news has only broken now rather than at the time... back to work everybody, if DC can break the rules what’s stopping you? Rules don’t apply anymore!

 

It will be nice to see the government benches full and backing the PM at PMQs. BJ will be relieved.

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To be fair, this all took place when the instructions were “stay at home” way before Boris’ comical ‘stay alert’ announcement.

 

The entire cabinet all being made to do supportive tweets is quite amusing,

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Surely Boris' Brexit Gollum can't survive this f*ck up?

 

Writes the Corbyn defender.

 

 

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Writes the Corbyn defender.

 

 

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Desperate deflection :lol:

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Posted (edited)

Quite funny he thinks he is the master of knowing what the public think. Misjudged this one.

 

“Obviously not” going to resign. Can’t even think Boris knows what to do generally anyway but this one isn’t going away and he’s going to go but can’t even imagine Johnson having the balls to do it.

As everyone knows always best to go quick but actually will enjoy this one running longer and the odious scum is in the spotlight for longer

 

Most disappointing is Sunak tweeting support. Thought we might have had a decent one there but alas another stooge.

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Someone put it on a plate for Laura Kuenssberg back on 10th May.

 

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The fact that 3 of them have now been caught, just goes to show they never really believed it made much of a difference anyway.

 

Alternatively they thought it would make a difference but it doesn't apply to them.

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It’s getting worse for Cummings and the Tories. No surprise that a weak and inexperienced front bench are backing him. If Johnson had one once if common sense or leadership he would sack him as his ego won’t allow him to resign. It has been funny watching the Americans having to deal with the inept and incompetent Trump. It isn’t so funny having to live with the same sh*t over here. We live in a country of nearly 70 million people and this is the best we can do?

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It’s getting worse for Cummings and the Tories. No surprise that a weak and inexperienced front bench are backing him. If Johnson had one once if common sense or leadership he would sack him as his ego won’t allow him to resign. It has been funny watching the Americans having to deal with the inept and incompetent Trump. It isn’t so funny having to live with the same sh*t over here. We live in a country of nearly 70 million people and this is the best we can do?

 

 

Congratulations on mot mentioning the daily mail on post

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Sorry, not really been keeping up to date on this thread. Have we compared him to Eddie Hitler yet?

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Basically it's been a great night for Steven Kinnock who has now got himself two more trips to see his parents with complete immunity from any criticism from the Conservatives or the media.

 

And it's a shame for that professor as well, he could have been ploughing that sort a couple more times before he needed to hand his badge in. Gutted for the lad.

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Congratulations on mot mentioning the daily mail on post

 

You've been drinking.

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Alternatively they thought it would make a difference but it doesn't apply to them.

 

Do you think that Dom would visit his family if he thought for one minute he’d put them at risk?

 

Wake up and smell the coffee, we’ve been had. It’s all about saving face now. Some of us realised a few weeks back, when will it dawn on you? The draconian lockdown will save a minimal amount of Covid deaths, whilst bringing in a decade of misery.

 

 

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Do you think that Dom would visit his family if he thought for one minute he’d put them at risk?

 

Wake up and smell the coffee, we’ve been had. It’s all about saving face now. Some of us realised a few weeks back, when will it dawn on you? The draconian lockdown will save a minimal amount of Covid deaths, whilst bringing in a decade of misery.

 

 

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"Dom?" Are you on nickname basis with him?

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Here’s Dom arriving home, and facing the media. A media that have spent all day stressing how important the lockdown rules are.

 

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More from Alastair Campbell please. Excellent on Sky News.

Had to switch from BBC as that wet idiot who used to do South Today saying many of the public are saying this is a Westminster bubble story.

 

Exactly as Campbell highlights these plums are so easily taken and overridingly cautious about seen to be neutral just makes insipid tv.

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Do you think that Dom would visit his family if he thought for one minute he’d put them at risk?

 

Wake up and smell the coffee, we’ve been had. It’s all about saving face now. Some of us realised a few weeks back, when will it dawn on you? The draconian lockdown will save a minimal amount of Covid deaths, whilst bringing in a decade of misery.

 

 

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The lockdown began on 23 March (a week earlier for those over 70) and the number of daily deaths started to decline a few weeks after. I read that as showing the lockdown has, to some extent, worked.

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Posted (edited)
The lockdown began on 23 March (a week earlier for those over 70) and the number of daily deaths started to decline a few weeks after. I read that as showing the lockdown has, to some extent, worked.

 

He likes to try to be this smug contrarian idiot.

 

Just heard that Greece, who introduced lockdown early, only had 170 deaths so far. That low number was absolutely nothing to do with locking down.

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