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Most teams have 9 matches left?

 

Although far from ideal, I guess this could just about be squeezed into a 3-4 week window if Euro 2020 is cancelled.

 

Those logistics aren't too bad. You might even truncate it if some matches become irrelevant for anythign meaningful beyond actual finishing position (e.g. Saints v Sheff Utd might well be a dead rubber, in which case don't play it).

 

Problem could well be the logisitics in arranging this, not the will. If UK is basically locked down for a couple of months, how bad is the deterioation of pitches, how unfit are the players, how fast can they gear up ticketing, stadium safety etc?

 

The June 30th contracts ending for some players is also a legal minefield - might teams with somethign to play for sign a ringer just for a month etc?

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Spot on. Giving Liverpool the title means picking other winners and losers when nothing has been mathematically decided. End it here and start next season as near to the usual start date as is safe.

 

I bet you wouldn’t be saying that if we were 25 points above 5th and pretty much guaranteed our first ever Champions league place.

 

 

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I bet you wouldn’t be saying that if we were 25 points above 5th and pretty much guaranteed our first ever Champions league place.

 

 

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There's gotta be consistency Mr Duck. If you give Liverpool the title do you say Norwich are gone and relegate them, and say nobody will will catch West Brom so send them up? It's either abandon the season or finish it.

 

But yeah, I'd be fecking annoyed if we were in Liverpool shoes.

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I bet you wouldn’t be saying that if we were 25 points above 5th and pretty much guaranteed our first ever Champions league place.

 

 

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I think there's nothing wrong with allocating European places based on current standings. That's the only way to do that, assuming the season doesn't finish.

 

That's a qualitatively different thing from awarding a team a trophy they haven't won or relegating a team with a quarter of the season left.

 

They should give Liverpool some sort of award / certificate, allocate the European positions for next season based on current standings, void the rest of the league, void the FA Cup and any other incomplete cup, the League Cup stands.

 

The only exception would be that if a team has mathematically won a league title already they can be awarded it.

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There's gotta be consistency Mr Duck. If you give Liverpool the title do you say Norwich are gone and relegate them, and say nobody will will catch West Brom so send them up? It's either abandon the season or finish it.

 

But yeah, I'd be fecking annoyed if we were in Liverpool shoes.

 

Agree, it’s got to be either one or the other - Either everything stands or nothing. Can you imagine the riot Leeds fans would start if they gave Liverpool the title but didn’t promote them. There’s no line in the sand here, so who decides what is definitely/probably/maybe going to happen in the last 2 months of the season.

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I feel that no matter when, that the season should be finished. Sure it may overlap next season but we have the intelligence I should hope to be able to arrange next season for when it is possible to start. It might even mean next summer being used to finish next season but a small price to keep the game alive.

Liverpool deserve to be named as champions.

Lower tier clubs will face going under if we don't do something to help them as well if this season is cancelled.

The wrong choice now could well destroy the game if we aren't careful.

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Football won't restart for weeks now, in my opinion. The way forward is to call the season now. Positions based on average points to allow for the teams that have played less games. No relegation from this season, promote top 2 or 3. Next season bottom 5 or 6 relegated to get divisions back in sync. Next season play all teams once then spli league, top and bottom half and play each team in group once. If Europe goes ahead next season (it might not) then positions in unfinished season count as normal. Liverpool are crowned Champions. Some reworking of position based prize money might be sensible to compensate for teams being disadvantaged by early finish. FA Cup to be played at beginning of next season.

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If blackout lasts through May, makes sense not to finish the season, other than perhaps playoffs. Calling it based on current positions seems marginally better than voiding.

That allows new season to start on time and delayed euros to take place next summer.

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If blackout lasts through May, makes sense not to finish the season, other than perhaps playoffs. Calling it based on current positions seems marginally better than voiding.

 

They'd face a lot of legal challenges if they relegated teams based on 28 or 29 games.

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They'd face a lot of legal challenges if they relegated teams based on 28 or 29 games.
Also you'd be relegating Bournemouth by one goal and villa could possibly only be relegated because they have a game in hand. Wouldn't be fair.
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Also you'd be relegating Bournemouth by one goal and villa could possibly only be relegated because they have a game in hand. Wouldn't be fair.

 

They’ll either finish or void it. There’s no other options.

 

 

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At the end of the day it’s just football. They need to focus on the little people here who now can’t earn a wage or their small business has suffered due to the shutdown. A few nice gestures going about in North American sport whereby star players are paying those arena workers etc. who can’t earn anything during this crisis.

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There's gotta be consistency Mr Duck. If you give Liverpool the title do you say Norwich are gone and relegate them, and say nobody will will catch West Brom so send them up? It's either abandon the season or finish it.

 

But yeah, I'd be fecking annoyed if we were in Liverpool shoes.

 

Might just be me, but if I supported them I'm not sure after all that waiting I'd want it to happen in an unfinished or massively compromised season. I'd probably settle for writing off the season and winning it next year. This season will have a massive asterisk on it now whatever happens.

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They'd face a lot of legal challenges if they relegated teams based on 28 or 29 games.

 

There's no way it's fair if teams haven't played everyone twice. Voiding is much fairer than any other option. It's harsh on many, a huge gift for Norwich, but it's fair. No one wanted this or planned for it, fans all lose out with no football. Let's be honest, with the peak looking like June, there's no way football starts again before July or August anyway.

 

So you either have an utter mess, with players having no match fitness etc., or you just start over in September with a proper season. And probably the most anticipated and looked forward to season ever. Could always play the quarter finals, semis and final of the CL as a warm up tournament single leg games to start. But I imagine they'll write that off to avoid city winning it anyway.

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Surely it’s not impossible to complete the season behind closed doors given the money sloshing about in the game. Run a skeleton operation with only the essential first team staff, players stay in isolation and are tested before each game. Not exactly high risk.

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Surely it’s not impossible to complete the season behind closed doors given the money sloshing about in the game. Run a skeleton operation with only the essential first team staff, players stay in isolation and are tested before each game. Not exactly high risk.
Imagine the political fallout if anyone contracted the virus due to that. Some things are more important than football.
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There is the likelihood that along with a number of industries, football could well suffer significant financial pain.

 

Not only the lower league clubs but presumably Sky/BT would not be prepared to shell out to pay for games that are not played, if that is the case.

 

I wonder if this will have an affect the wages players agents are currently able to negotiate?

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Imagine the political fallout if anyone contracted the virus due to that. Some things are more important than football.

 

What, imagine the fallout if some millionaire footballer has cold like symptoms for a couple of weeks?

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What, imagine the fallout if some millionaire footballer has cold like symptoms for a couple of weeks?

 

Yes because wealth is a reasonable way to judge whether someone’s elderly relatives deserve to die.

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It'd never happen but I would:

• award Liverpool the title,

• have a play-off between the 16-18th places in the Premier League (winner of the first two games are "out" loses play each other and loser goes into the below)

• a play-off between 3rd-6th in the Championship (usual format)

• a mini-league between PL 19th, 20th & play-off loser & CH 1st, 2nd and play-off winner - played at Wembley over 3/4 days - top 3 go into the EPL, bottom 3 go into the EFL

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Why would that happen if they were in isolation?

 

You can't isolate this for certain. Even with testing, you can't be certain that someone who tests negative hasn't got it on his hands, water bottle or it's too early to show up in the test or whatever. Then he is just a walking petri-dish, who is going to spread it to others even if he doesn't directly come into contact with an elderly person.

 

It's a fundamental point; you have human beings from all over the country coming together for physical contact for no reason other than entertainment. They aren't providing some social or medical service, you're talking about spreading a killer disease for the sake of a game of football.

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You can't isolate this for certain. Even with testing, you can't be certain that someone who tests negative hasn't got it on his hands, water bottle or it's too early to show up in the test or whatever. Then he is just a walking petri-dish, who is going to spread it to others even if he doesn't directly come into contact with an elderly person.

 

It's a fundamental point; you have human beings from all over the country coming together for physical contact for no reason other than entertainment. They aren't providing some social or medical service, you're talking about spreading a killer disease for the sake of a game of football.

Yes indeed. And my guess (hope I'm wrong) it'll take a year before sports start again. Maybe this time next year they'll resume this season (along with the CL etc) and then have Euro 2021 straight after. If so, a lot of the smaller clubs will go under, but they won't be the only ones. It's going to be a global economic cluster**** for a long time I think. :(

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You can't isolate this for certain. Even with testing, you can't be certain that someone who tests negative hasn't got it on his hands, water bottle or it's too early to show up in the test or whatever. Then he is just a walking petri-dish, who is going to spread it to others even if he doesn't directly come into contact with an elderly person.

 

It's a fundamental point; you have human beings from all over the country coming together for physical contact for no reason other than entertainment. They aren't providing some social or medical service, you're talking about spreading a killer disease for the sake of a game of football.

 

My nephews played a match this morning they were probably less of a risk of spreading than the girl on the checkout at Tesco’s who probably came within coughing distance of multiple hundreds of people. Everyone is a risk whatever job they do, there are thousands more at risk than a football team who play together for 90 mins a week, especially if they have tested negative and taken sensible precautions.

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My nephews played a match this morning they were probably less of a risk of spreading than the girl on the checkout at Tesco’s who probably came within coughing distance of multiple hundreds of people. Everyone is a risk whatever job they do, there are thousands more at risk than a football team who play together for 90 mins a week, especially if they have tested negative and taken sensible precautions.

 

was not until Arteta tested positive when the FA/Prem/EFL postponed all games in the top 4 leagues. I wonder how long the plan of playing in closed stadiums would have go on for?

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My nephews played a match this morning they were probably less of a risk of spreading than the girl on the checkout at Tesco’s who probably came within coughing distance of multiple hundreds of people. Everyone is a risk whatever job they do, there are thousands more at risk than a football team who play together for 90 mins a week, especially if they have tested negative and taken sensible precautions.

 

Yes, that's exactly the point. The disease will spread through supermarkets, etc. and we wont be able to stop it, only reduce the rate at which it spreads. The difference being we need food shops to carry on living, we don't need football and trips to Ibiza.

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Yes, that's exactly the point. The disease will spread through supermarkets, etc. and we wont be able to stop it, only reduce the rate at which it spreads. The difference being we need food shops to carry on living, we don't need football and trips to Ibiza.

 

Do you really think if two teams tested negative on a Weds/thurs, then self isolated until Saturday and played 90 mins, there would really be a significant risk?

 

Anyway, these are 25 year old millionaires we are talking about, they are not going to spend their month off sat around the house watching Netflix. They will be out in trendy nightclubs or up to their nuts in supermodels - giving them time off will probably result in more spreading than if they had to go to work like everyone else.

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Mate there’s a global meltdown we don’t have money for Washington Post subscriptions.
It's free - you have to accept cookies etc but it's free. The Washington Post and the New York Times are making all their Virus content free apparently.
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People are talking like it'll just be back to normal in a month or two. Not sure it's registering for most people.

 

There's a very good chance you won't see another football match in 2020. This season is a write off, it's more about whether we can get to a position where Europe is ready for next season, or if it's vaguely sensible.

 

Shouldn't be surprised how many are willing to put money and entertainment before lives really but it's still depressing. Is a real shame to potentially have a long period where elite footballers don't get to play at all. On a purely football note though, I wonder what we'd see from Ralph having 5 months or so to prepare for another season, work with the squad etc.

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People are talking like it'll just be back to normal in a month or two. Not sure it's registering for most people.

 

There's a very good chance you won't see another football match in 2020. This season is a write off, it's more about whether we can get to a position where Europe is ready for next season, or if it's vaguely sensible.

 

Shouldn't be surprised how many are willing to put money and entertainment before lives really but it's still depressing. Is a real shame to potentially have a long period where elite footballers don't get to play at all. On a purely football note though, I wonder what we'd see from Ralph having 5 months or so to prepare for another season, work with the squad etc.

 

He's worked with the squad every day for 18 months and still hasn't turned the many sours ears into Silk purses pal.

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Do you really think if two teams tested negative on a Weds/thurs, then self isolated until Saturday and played 90 mins, there would really be a significant risk?

 

Anyway, these are 25 year old millionaires we are talking about, they are not going to spend their month off sat around the house watching Netflix. They will be out in trendy nightclubs or up to their nuts in supermodels - giving them time off will probably result in more spreading than if they had to go to work like everyone else.

 

Ridiculous comments. Wake up to the reality of how serious this situation is.

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Yes indeed. And my guess (hope I'm wrong) it'll take a year before sports start again. Maybe this time next year they'll resume this season (along with the CL etc) and then have Euro 2021 straight after. If so, a lot of the smaller clubs will go under, but they won't be the only ones. It's going to be a global economic cluster**** for a long time I think. :(

 

based on what exactly??

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Dave probably wants to know what the guess is based on, or if it was plucked out of thin air.
Probably based on the worst case scenario outlined by the papers where the virus is a constant menace for the next year. Might make it quite difficult to restart things in that scenario but likelihood is we will resume things in a few months.
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As a die hard (or soft and jelly like now) Saints fan of many long years I don't believe we should cancel this season as the vast majority has been played. In F1 if a race has reached a certain point even if it is halted for any reason result stands.`Yes I know they are totally different sports and One day is far from the time of a season.

However I think it is essential that we finish this season first and foremost. Even if it means next season starting and finishing later we should end it properly with all games played.

 

Many have said that there is only one choice which is cancel and make this season null and void. What happens then if this virus is still here in 6 months? There is a distinct possibility of losing another season as well. Football as we know it would not recover from such a drastic loss of action. No sponsorship would be incoming and many clubs could go under and not just the small fry. A lot of top clubs could not survive such a huge loss of income over a year.

Players contracts ending before the last match is played is just the beginning of the problem. No players would be bought with no games being played for clubs to be able to afford their wages. Many outside workers/companies that work for/with Saints FC would also struggle.

Even if this season has to stretch into next season we have the time to produce a way for the lost time to be recovered. This pandemic is I fear the start of many suchlike problems we will face in the coming years. Time will tell if we can survive as we are but much thought needs to be given as to the future of the game as well as the immediate presence.

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As a die hard (or soft and jelly like now) Saints fan of many long years I don't believe we should cancel this season as the vast majority has been played. In F1 if a race has reached a certain point even if it is halted for any reason result stands.`Yes I know they are totally different sports and One day is far from the time of a season.

However I think it is essential that we finish this season first and foremost. Even if it means next season starting and finishing later we should end it properly with all games played.

 

Many have said that there is only one choice which is cancel and make this season null and void. What happens then if this virus is still here in 6 months? There is a distinct possibility of losing another season as well. Football as we know it would not recover from such a drastic loss of action. No sponsorship would be incoming and many clubs could go under and not just the small fry. A lot of top clubs could not survive such a huge loss of income over a year.

Players contracts ending before the last match is played is just the beginning of the problem. No players would be bought with no games being played for clubs to be able to afford their wages. Many outside workers/companies that work for/with Saints FC would also struggle.

Even if this season has to stretch into next season we have the time to produce a way for the lost time to be recovered. This pandemic is I fear the start of many suchlike problems we will face in the coming years. Time will tell if we can survive as we are but much thought needs to be given as to the future of the game as well as the immediate presence.

 

The world will look very different when this is ultimately over - football or sport in general will be the least of issues. I work for a very large multi billion global company and am part of business continuity / impact planning team, and I can assure you we have not ruled out going out of business, and will certainly be closing many offices and planning for redundancies already - god only knows how industries directly affected (airline, leisure, etc.) and small businesses will cope? I think many (and not implying you at all, more likes of Trump and Boris etc.) are still in denial over this outbreak. I hope I am wrong over this.

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As a die hard (or soft and jelly like now) Saints fan of many long years I don't believe we should cancel this season as the vast majority has been played. In F1 if a race has reached a certain point even if it is halted for any reason result stands.`Yes I know they are totally different sports and One day is far from the time of a season.

However I think it is essential that we finish this season first and foremost. Even if it means next season starting and finishing later we should end it properly with all games played.

 

Many have said that there is only one choice which is cancel and make this season null and void. What happens then if this virus is still here in 6 months? There is a distinct possibility of losing another season as well. Football as we know it would not recover from such a drastic loss of action. No sponsorship would be incoming and many clubs could go under and not just the small fry. A lot of top clubs could not survive such a huge loss of income over a year.

Players contracts ending before the last match is played is just the beginning of the problem. No players would be bought with no games being played for clubs to be able to afford their wages. Many outside workers/companies that work for/with Saints FC would also struggle.

Even if this season has to stretch into next season we have the time to produce a way for the lost time to be recovered. This pandemic is I fear the start of many suchlike problems we will face in the coming years. Time will tell if we can survive as we are but much thought needs to be given as to the future of the game as well as the immediate presence.

 

I really don’t think that we should be worrying about football, Formula 1 or sport in general. Apart from the mortality rate there is clearly a huge worry about the possible/likely effect on the economy, jobs etc. Airlines are already facing problems with staff maybe having to take 8 weeks unpaid leave. It isn’t going to end there.

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If the coronavirus ends up with the worst case scenario there will very significant repercussions on our 'comfortable' way of life.

 

We are all likely to be poorer as economic conditions worsen and it will take time to recover.

 

As a consequence we will still want to watch sport but, as far as football is concerned, who will want to pay the level of tickets for games, especially as there are lots of unemployed.

 

It is likely that Sky/BT are going to re-evaluate their TV contract.

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I really don’t think that we should be worrying about football, Formula 1 or sport in general. Apart from the mortality rate there is clearly a huge worry about the possible/likely effect on the economy, jobs etc. Airlines are already facing problems with staff maybe having to take 8 weeks unpaid leave. It isn’t going to end there.

 

The hospitality industry too. Bar staff, hotel staff, cinema staff etc here are all at home unpaid too. So far, restaurants are allowed to stay open, but I wonder how long that will remain.

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Surely it’s not impossible to complete the season behind closed doors given the money sloshing about in the game. Run a skeleton operation with only the essential first team staff, players stay in isolation and are tested before each game. Not exactly high risk.

 

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