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I've just been put on 3 day week on reduced pay. I know i'm lucky to still have a job (for now) but i wont cover my direct debits at this rate. I know everyone is in the same boat, but seriously, what the **** is going on here??? The seasonal winter flu kills many thousands every year without all this hysteria.

 

It's really not rocket science is it? Generic influenza has a vaccine every year that anyone of us can take up. I have it every year as I have sh*t lungs and am in the 'at risk' group. Anyone that doesn't have the vaccine that should have it is a moron.

 

This strain of Coronavirus has a) no vaccine yet and b) a ridiculous period where people can spread it around without showing symptoms.

 

The NHS will be f**ked if everyone like me (and the elderly) get it. This is sudden and unprecedented, certain people need to wake up and realise that for the next 6 months, life is a little different. I'll happily volunteer to be a vaccine guinea pig, but until the point that is available, I'm hiding.

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It's really not rocket science is it? Generic influenza has a vaccine every year that anyone of us can take up. I have it every year as I have sh*t lungs and am in the 'at risk' group. Anyone that doesn't have the vaccine that should have it is a moron.

 

This strain of Coronavirus has a) no vaccine yet and b) a ridiculous period where people can spread it around without showing symptoms.

 

The NHS will be f**ked if everyone like me (and the elderly) get it. This is sudden and unprecedented, certain people need to wake up and realise that for the next 6 months, life is a little different. I'll happily volunteer to be a vaccine guinea pig, but until the point that is available, I'm hiding.

 

My former collegue caught Coronavirus 10 days ago and is now between life and death under a respiratory aid. He is 58 and has not past illness issues.

People need to wake up to the fact that it doesn't target only older people or people with existing illnesses.

 

50% of people in intensive care in France are under 60.

 

Stop minimizing it and take it seriously.

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My former collegue caught Coronavirus 10 days ago and is now between life and death under a respiratory aid. He is 58 and has not past illness issues.

People need to wake up to the fact that it doesn't target only older people or people with existing illnesses.

 

50% of people in intensive care in France are under 60.

 

Stop minimizing it and take it seriously.

 

My post was meant at Davefoggy.

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The fact that Tory and Republican governments in the UK and US are taking this seriously should be all you need to know. Under ordinary circumstances, those ****s wouldn't wipe their butts to avoid a few thousands unnecessary deaths. Spanish flu killed millions, so the idea that this could kill hundreds of thousands, if not more, is entirely within reason.

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It should be obvious by now that this is the big one. Once people get over how heartbreaking and tragic the suffering is going to be. Start doing a mind game with the economy. The world will not be the same when this is all over. We're moving into a 1-2year war economy as it is. But so many industries will be wipe out in the next 2 months, let alone 5 months or a year of this.

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The BBC report talks about 510,000 UK deaths as a worst case, measures may keep it to 200,000 deaths

 

Do you mean you actually believe the most skewed bias unreliable, anti government, anti Uk news outlet on this planet?

Their news last night on this was scarrily laughable and people are buying into them, it’s scandalous.

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Do you mean you actually believe the most skewed bias unreliable, anti government, anti Uk news outlet on this planet?

Their news last night on this was scarrily laughable and people are buying into them, it’s scandalous.

In your mind what is the logic? That the BBC are deliberately inventing a high death rate to pwn the government?

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It's really not rocket science is it? Generic influenza has a vaccine every year that anyone of us can take up. I have it every year as I have sh*t lungs and am in the 'at risk' group. Anyone that doesn't have the vaccine that should have it is a moron.

 

This strain of Coronavirus has a) no vaccine yet and b) a ridiculous period where people can spread it around without showing symptoms.

 

The NHS will be f**ked if everyone like me (and the elderly) get it. This is sudden and unprecedented, certain people need to wake up and realise that for the next 6 months, life is a little different. I'll happily volunteer to be a vaccine guinea pig, but until the point that is available, I'm hiding.

 

Tens of thousands of people die of flu each year, despite there being a flu vaccine

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Tens of thousands of people die of flu each year, despite there being a flu vaccine

 

In the UK?

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Do you mean you actually believe the most skewed bias unreliable, anti government, anti Uk news outlet on this planet?

Their news last night on this was scarrily laughable and people are buying into them, it’s scandalous.

 

:mcinnes:

 

The BBC report I link to is quoting Sir Patrick Vallance, the chief scientific adviser to the Government!

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Tens of thousands of people die of flu each year, despite there being a flu vaccine

 

I don't know the numbers but it's irrelevant. Corona ain't flu. Corona has no vaccine thus nothing to stop the spread / impact on the vulnerable. We know how to manage / treat flu. This is new.

 

Frankly I'm getting fed up with all mention offlu. It's about as relevant as mentioning gout or toothache.

 

Many people are blind to the magnitude of this situation.

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The WHO estimates that between 290,000 and 650,000 respiratory deaths globally each year are associated with seasonal influenza.

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So there are literally a few hundred severe acute respiratory admissions each year due to flu and vaccination uptake in the over 65s is around 70%.

 

So in the UK, hardly anyone is admitted to hospital or killed by flu. Funnily enough, that might have something to do with flu having been around for thousands of years and a vaccine being available.

 

Anyone who compares this to flu, henceforth, should be given a kicking.

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The WHO estimates that between 290,000 and 650,000 respiratory deaths globally each year are associated with seasonal influenza.

 

Of which hardly any are in the UK so what relevance does this have to the UK? You might as well post how many people die of malaria or rabies, mush.

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The WHO estimates that between 290,000 and 650,000 respiratory deaths globally each year are associated with seasonal influenza.

 

If we did nothing the Government believe 500,000 would die in the UK. If every country did that we'd have millions of deaths.

 

The 1918 pandemic infected 500 million of a 1.8 billion global population and killed 50 to 100 million.

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Well I'm confused now, around 3000 deaths in China and it's almost under control there now. So where does this figure of 250,000 come from as an estimate of UK deaths? Someone please explain as I don't get it

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Well I'm confused now, around 3000 deaths in China and it's almost under control there now. So where does this figure of 250,000 come from as an estimate of UK deaths? Someone please explain as I don't get it
Define almost under control? Also it's widely believed that those figures are wrong and that the disease will rear its head again once China returns to normal.

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The WHO estimates that between 290,000 and 650,000 respiratory deaths globally each year are associated with seasonal influenza.

 

Are there really still people setting themselves up as the real experts here and feeling they know better than the combined experts of just about every nation on Earth? I find it incredible. Are you also one of those who think it's a conspiracy? That world leaders have got together in a bizzare bid to tank their own economies and preside over a situation they cannot win?

 

The general population has a resistance to the worst effects of flu, either due to vaccination or resistance developed over generations of immunity and natural selection. This is a disease that we have ot developed any resistance to and that leaves huge amounts of people very vulnerable. This isn't a new thing, we destroyed indigenous populations across the world by introducing simple things like influenza to them, when history hadn't given them any level of resistance. Spanish flu did it to us a hundred years ago.

 

But sure, you're the expert here and everyone else is talking nonsense. I'm just glad I read this forum, so that I can find the real truth the "experts" are all missing...

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Well I'm confused now, around 3000 deaths in China and it's almost under control there now. So where does this figure of 250,000 come from as an estimate of UK deaths? Someone please explain as I don't get it

 

It is 500,000 for doing nothing, 250,000 for mitigation and trying to keep it under 20,000 for suppress. Measures to keep it under 20k are now the aim it seems.

 

Do you not think it is ok for the whole population to be restricted to try and keep deaths under 20,000? If they didn't then we'd be back to the 250k or 500k figure.

 

None of these measures are used for seasonal flu because you don't get 500k deaths in the UK, that is why they are needed for this!

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Are there really still people setting themselves up as the real experts here and feeling they know better than the combined experts of just about every nation on Earth? I find it incredible. Are you also one of those who think it's a conspiracy? That world leaders have got together in a bizzare bid to tank their own economies and preside over a situation they cannot win?

 

The general population has a resistance to the worst effects of flu, either due to vaccination or resistance developed over generations of immunity and natural selection. This is a disease that we have ot developed any resistance to and that leaves huge amounts of people very vulnerable. This isn't a new thing, we destroyed indigenous populations across the world by introducing simple things like influenza to them, when history hadn't given them any level of resistance. Spanish flu did it to us a hundred years ago.

 

But sure, you're the expert here and everyone else is talking nonsense. I'm just glad I read this forum, so that I can find the real truth the "experts" are all missing...

 

I'm far from being an expert, and I have never claimed to be. Just trying to get my head around the numbers and the situation that's all. Apart from the health aspect, the economic fall out is going to be horrific, I don't know how I'm paying my bills for the next few months, it's scary

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I'm far from being an expert, and I have never claimed to be. Just trying to get my head around the numbers and the situation that's all. Apart from the health aspect, the economic fall out is going to be horrific, I don't know how I'm paying my bills for the next few months, it's scary

 

It is. It's going to be very strenuous on a huge amount of people and the recovery will take time. We make this choice because for most people, financial hardship is preferable to losing loved ones when we could have avoided it. I'll tighten my belt for a couple of years rather than put my family in danger just because my comfy life will be compromised.

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BBC have cancelled filming Casualty, Doctors and Holby City, I guess that makes sense as it’ll free up some doctors and nurses.

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Do you mean you actually believe the most skewed bias unreliable, anti government, anti Uk news outlet on this planet?

Their news last night on this was scarrily laughable and people are buying into them, it’s scandalous.

 

I'm actually quite grateful there aren't more of these idiots on here. Well done everyone else.

 

After the last year or two, thinking our media is anti government...I mean, christ. What the hell would they have had to do to get chris on side I wonder? Shoot every government critic I guess. Give Farage an extra 400 hours a month.

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BBC have cancelled filming Casualty, Doctors and Holby City, I guess that makes sense as it’ll free up some doctors and nurses.

 

We're in fcking weird times now MLG is making jokes.

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It is 500,000 for doing nothing, 250,000 for mitigation and trying to keep it under 20,000 for suppress. Measures to keep it under 20k are now the aim it seems.

 

Do you not think it is ok for the whole population to be restricted to try and keep deaths under 20,000? If they didn't then we'd be back to the 250k or 500k figure.

 

None of these measures are used for seasonal flu because you don't get 500k deaths in the UK, that is why they are needed for this!

 

That's assuming a health service that can cope with what's happening isn't it. I think people are going to be in for a shock when it comes to what the numbers really are. But hopefully things will improve somehow. Just planning to delay flatten the peak, quite rightly, still leans a huge proportion of the population getting it over the next year. But we'll still get a few saying it's just flu.

 

I've been unwell, I assume with corona, the past two weeks. Not a great time to have underlying health problems. And self employed work is all but gone now so not sure what I'll do. But at the same time, I'm relatively young and quite fit so will probably be fine overall.

 

Already signed up to online FIFA and lost the first 8 games in a row. Badly. If we're isolated a year my aim is to win 1 game.

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Well I'm confused now, around 3000 deaths in China and it's almost under control there now. So where does this figure of 250,000 come from as an estimate of UK deaths? Someone please explain as I don't get it

 

That's based on a total lockdown of certain provinces. It will spread the moment lockdown is lifted. They're delaying the spread it's not defeating the virus and situation over. Far from it.

 

Guardian science weekly podcast has some decent updates and interviews on it with scientists and latest evidence, data etc. It's a tricky one with so much misinformation but all the data being released has a huge number of assumptions behind it. Basically no one has this under control until there's widespread vaccination. And that is unlikely to be for a year or more. Until then it's limiting damage, getting health services, prepared, identifying cases by testing as many as possible, and social distancing, isolation periods and lockdown.

 

Death rate estimates range from just under 1% to over 5% in various models depending on how successful countries are at these methods and when a vaccine comes in. So in the UK we are talking 500,000 to 3-4 million. It really depends if there's hospital capacity and at the moment we're way, way off on that.

 

It's a delicate balance between explaining the current data and trends in the media and not scaremongering. Because the reality of it is extremely scary.

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Do you mean you actually believe the most skewed bias unreliable, anti government, anti Uk news outlet on this planet?

Their news last night on this was scarrily laughable and people are buying into them, it’s scandalous.

 

With Laura Kuenssburg on the Tory payroll, I don't think you can claim the BBC are anti Government!!

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I'm actually quite grateful there aren't more of these idiots on here. Well done everyone else.

 

After the last year or two, thinking our media is anti government...I mean, christ. What the hell would they have had to do to get chris on side I wonder? Shoot every government critic I guess. Give Farage an extra 400 hours a month.

This.

 

Seriously, it's getting scary how this government is brainwashing large parts of the population into thinking any balanced reporting or expression of varying views is anti government, biased and has to be suppressed. This government wants absolute power with all opposition removed.

 

There is plenty of historical evidence as to where that leads.

 

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Well it's not all bad I've received a ( temporary) promotion at work. I'd like to think it's becuase I'm reliable and good at my job. Sadly I think it's becuase there are now only two people left standing in my department and the other guy is a grade A tosser that no one likes.

 

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Meanwhile, back to football.

 

I've seen rumours (no idea how valid) that Premier League are going to try to play all remaining games at neutral venues behind closed doors, all on TV.

 

I have doubts but if it does happen, no more home games for Saints, which has to be a result. [emoji23]

 

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Well it's not all bad I've received a ( temporary) promotion at work. I'd like to think it's becuase I'm reliable and good at my job. Sadly I think it's becuase there are now only two people left standing in my department and the other guy is a grade A tosser that no one likes.

 

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Cheers for that, reminds me of The Office when David Brent announces redundancies followed by his own promotion, classic :D

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Meanwhile, back to football.

 

I've seen rumours (no idea how valid) that Premier League are going to try to play all remaining games at neutral venues behind closed doors, all on TV.

 

I have doubts but if it does happen, no more home games for Saints, which has to be a result. [emoji23]

 

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During this period? I doubt many players would be too happy about being exposed to proximity and contact like that.

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During this period? I doubt many players would be too happy about being exposed to proximity and contact like that.
I tend to agree with you. I think there are some desperate suggestions being made.

 

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Just been to Tesco which was fairly empty of produce but pretty full with customers given it was late morning on a Wednesday. Quite a few over 70's in there who seemed unconcerned with the advice regarding self isolation. It won't be long before we are in the same situation as other European countries where we are forced to be isolated and the police / army have powers to stop people in the streets.

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Some people always look for the worst case scenario first, and then look again in case a worse one has appeared.

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Just been to Tesco which was fairly empty of produce but pretty full with customers given it was late morning on a Wednesday. Quite a few over 70's in there who seemed unconcerned with the advice regarding self isolation. It won't be long before we are in the same situation as other European countries where we are forced to be isolated and the police / army have powers to stop people in the streets.

I'm not surprised about the lack of food. I was in my Tesco today and I couldn't see any obvious panic buying or unnecessary stocking up. I think, like me, people are thinking they and their family are likely to be spending a lot more time indoors and are getting extra food in. Definitely 2 out of 4 of our family will now be off work and subsequently eating at home. 3rd is a student so she won't be far behind.

 

Shelves are shockingly empty though. Guessing the lack of food goes right up to manufacture level. Perhaps we will be looking at a food crisis before long...

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I'm not surprised about the lack of food. I was in my Tesco today and I couldn't see any obvious panic buying or unnecessary stocking up. I think, like me, people are thinking they and their family are likely to be spending a lot more time indoors and are getting extra food in. Definitely 2 out of 4 of our family will now be off work and subsequently eating at home. 3rd is a student so she won't be far behind.

 

Shelves are shockingly empty though. Guessing the lack of food goes right up to manufacture level. Perhaps we will be looking at a food crisis before long...

 

Roughly the same amount of food is being consumed - but its being bought in different places. Supermarkets are up and restaurants, sandwich shops and work / school canteens are down.

 

How much of it is supply chain issues and how much simply supermarkets being caught out by demand and not adjusting their orders quick enough, who knows?

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That's based on a total lockdown of certain provinces. It will spread the moment lockdown is lifted. They're delaying the spread it's not defeating the virus and situation over. Far from it.

 

Guardian science weekly podcast has some decent updates and interviews on it with scientists and latest evidence, data etc. It's a tricky one with so much misinformation but all the data being released has a huge number of assumptions behind it. Basically no one has this under control until there's widespread vaccination. And that is unlikely to be for a year or more. Until then it's limiting damage, getting health services, prepared, identifying cases by testing as many as possible, and social distancing, isolation periods and lockdown.

 

Death rate estimates range from just under 1% to over 5% in various models depending on how successful countries are at these methods and when a vaccine comes in. So in the UK we are talking 500,000 to 3-4 million. It really depends if there's hospital capacity and at the moment we're way, way off on that.

 

It's a delicate balance between explaining the current data and trends in the media and not scaremongering. Because the reality of it is extremely scary.

 

Meh. In the end total deaths will be roughly the same as a bad flu year. Reckon c20,000

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I guess, looking to the future, food manufactures may be treated much the same as healthcare workers and instructed to continue to work until they have symptoms. Of course we buy much of our food from Europe which will be a factor.

 

I imagine if the UK suddenly had to look after itself regarding food manufacture and supply it would starve (not saying that scenario is imminent or even likely).

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They could play in red and white hazmat suits...

 

Oh come on ref, that hit him on the respirator tube, no way that’s a peno, are you blind?

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Meh. In the end total deaths will be roughly the same as a bad flu year. Reckon c20,000

 

If that turns out true it will be BECAUSE of the isolation measures that have been undertaken. Carrying on regardless (as we would do in flu season) would result in much higher death tolls.

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I've been reading the Italian newspapers online plus have friends over there which gives a good forewarning of where we're heading. I saw one report of a place called Castiglione d'Adda, on the northern plain, who have had 53 deaths. I'd vaguely heard of the name before but had no idea how big it was so looked up the population: less than 5000 people.. Now it may be a hot spot, which was why it featured in an article a few days ago, but those of you comparing it to flu might like to ponder a bit more and take steps that you're not also in a hot spot.

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Similarly an Iranian university has modelled potential deaths there (where news on numbers looks like it has been surpressed). If government guidelines are actively ignored (and crowds have been trying to storm into closed mosques) they reckon deaths could reach 3 million..

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I've been reading the Italian newspapers online plus have friends over there which gives a good forewarning of where we're heading. I saw one report of a place called Castiglione d'Adda, on the northern plain, who have had 53 deaths. I'd vaguely heard of the name before but had no idea how big it was so looked up the population: less than 5000 people.. Now it may be a hot spot, which was why it featured in an article a few days ago, but those of you comparing it to flu might like to ponder a bit more and take steps that you're not also in a hot spot.

 

This is something that should be made more visible from a Uk perspective - the current hot spots that is. If they were then the people in those areas are at least more informed. On the downside tho it could mean people not living in a hot spot might not take it so seriously.

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I see the club has put the Everton tickets up for sale? Seems a strange thing to do in the current situation.

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