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Simple solution, in line with what is happening, is simply to pick up the season again in January, just continue where we left off. It'll be at least that long before football crowds are tolerable anyway.

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All over social media, the (football) wagons are circling after the point made by Hancock yesterday.

 

He was asked specifically about premier League footballer and have an honest answer, in line with an honest presser.

 

Ex players and football journos are livid!

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I get the impression he’s actually fairly tolerable in real life. He just likes winding up strangers on t’internet.

 

Not so much strangers more morons

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All over social media, the (football) wagons are circling after the point made by Hancock yesterday.

 

He was asked specifically about premier League footballer and have an honest answer, in line with an honest presser.

 

Ex players and football journos are livid!

 

Where would we be without Batman’s social media updates reflecting the nation’s mood?

 

Hancock will love the PL distraction from the scrutiny on why they haven’t been able to organise a meaningful testing programme.

Far easier for people to get wound up by football’s greed especially those who appear clueless in understanding the experts regarding testing but hey we can all give out to a simple bogeyman

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Where would we be without Batman’s social media updates reflecting the nation’s mood?

 

Hancock will love the PL distraction from the scrutiny on why they haven’t been able to organise a meaningful testing programme.

Far easier for people to get wound up by football’s greed especially those who appear clueless in understanding the experts regarding testing but hey we can all give out to a simple bogeyman

 

Really? That was one throw-away comment in an hour+ extensive and detailed update in response to a specific media question.

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All over social media, the (football) wagons are circling after the point made by Hancock yesterday.

 

He was asked specifically about premier League footballer and have an honest answer, in line with an honest presser.

 

Ex players and football journos are livid!

 

I would be livid as well.

 

To single out football Is a cheap easy point. Nobody is hassling Paul McCartney or Elton John. Where are the calls for Steve Coogan, Hugh Grant or Liam Gallagher to take a pay cut, hell why aren’t politicians calling out their own millionaires like Philip Hammond, Jeremy Hunt & Nadhim Zahawi.

 

Football does loads for local communities and I bet players do more hospital visits than any other line of “celebrity “. Bournemouth are taking loads of stick regarding furloughed workers but I know for a fact they do absolutely loads of this sort of stuff. My friend lost his 18 year old and Bournemouth (Callum Wilson in particular) were absolutely fantastic to the lad when he was dying.

 

I’ve no doubt most footballers will be doing the right thing, quietly. They don’t need big mouth politicians and pundits lecturing them on how to behave.

 

 

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Where would we be without Batman’s social media updates reflecting the nation’s mood?

 

Hancock will love the PL distraction from the scrutiny on why they haven’t been able to organise a meaningful testing programme.

Far easier for people to get wound up by football’s greed especially those who appear clueless in understanding the experts regarding testing but hey we can all give out to a simple bogeyman

 

You didnt watch the presser, did you. That's fine.

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I would be livid as well.

 

To single out football Is a cheap easy point. Nobody is hassling Paul McCartney or Elton John. Where are the calls for Steve Coogan, Hugh Grant or Liam Gallagher to take a pay cut, hell why aren’t politicians calling out their own millionaires like Philip Hammond, Jeremy Hunt & Nadhim Zahawi.

 

Football does loads for local communities and I bet players do more hospital visits than any other line of “celebrity “. Bournemouth are taking loads of stick regarding furloughed workers but I know for a fact they do absolutely loads of this sort of stuff. My friend lost his 18 year old and Bournemouth (Callum Wilson in particular) were absolutely fantastic to the lad when he was dying.

 

I’ve no doubt most footballers will be doing the right thing, quietly. They don’t need big mouth politicians and pundits lecturing them on how to behave.

 

 

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I think people would be banging on at Hugh Grant or Alan Partridge if he/they put the livelihood of their minimum wage entourage at the behest of you and me.....

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I would be livid as well.

 

To single out football Is a cheap easy point. Nobody is hassling Paul McCartney or Elton John. Where are the calls for Steve Coogan, Hugh Grant or Liam Gallagher to take a pay cut, hell why aren’t politicians calling out their own millionaires like Philip Hammond, Jeremy Hunt & Nadhim Zahawi.

 

Football does loads for local communities and I bet players do more hospital visits than any other line of “celebrity “. Bournemouth are taking loads of stick regarding furloughed workers but I know for a fact they do absolutely loads of this sort of stuff. My friend lost his 18 year old and Bournemouth (Callum Wilson in particular) were absolutely fantastic to the lad when he was dying.

 

I’ve no doubt most footballers will be doing the right thing, quietly. They don’t need big mouth politicians and pundits lecturing them on how to behave.

 

 

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none of that lot have furloughed all their low paid staff pal.

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I would be livid as well.

 

To single out football Is a cheap easy point. Nobody is hassling Paul McCartney or Elton John. Where are the calls for Steve Coogan, Hugh Grant or Liam Gallagher to take a pay cut, hell why aren’t politicians calling out their own millionaires like Philip Hammond, Jeremy Hunt & Nadhim Zahawi.

 

Football does loads for local communities and I bet players do more hospital visits than any other line of “celebrity “. Bournemouth are taking loads of stick regarding furloughed workers but I know for a fact they do absolutely loads of this sort of stuff. My friend lost his 18 year old and Bournemouth (Callum Wilson in particular) were absolutely fantastic to the lad when he was dying.

 

I’ve no doubt most footballers will be doing the right thing, quietly. They don’t need big mouth politicians and pundits lecturing them on how to behave.

 

 

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Pay cuts are required to keep clubs in business !

 

No football being played means no television income being paid or even wanting it back.

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In The Times today:

 

TOP SCORERS

 

Players

 

Premier League best paid: Kevin De Bruyne (Manchester City) and Mesut Özil (Arsenal) are on about £350,000 per week or £18.2m a year

 

Premier League average wage: About £65,000 a week or £3.4m a year

 

Championship average wage: About £15,000 a week or £780,000 a year

 

League One average wage: About £2,000 a week or £104,000 a year

 

Non-playing staff

 

Secretary at a Premier League club: About £35,000 a year

 

Media staff: About £32,000 a year

 

Junior coach for academy players aged about 18: About £50,000 a year

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With no football likely until about October, something will have to give. With everyone cancelling Sky subscriptions, they too could be in trouble.....

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I would be livid as well.

 

To single out football Is a cheap easy point. Nobody is hassling Paul McCartney or Elton John. Where are the calls for Steve Coogan, Hugh Grant or Liam Gallagher to take a pay cut, hell why aren’t politicians calling out their own millionaires like Philip Hammond, Jeremy Hunt & Nadhim Zahawi.

 

Football does loads for local communities and I bet players do more hospital visits than any other line of “celebrity “. Bournemouth are taking loads of stick regarding furloughed workers but I know for a fact they do absolutely loads of this sort of stuff. My friend lost his 18 year old and Bournemouth (Callum Wilson in particular) were absolutely fantastic to the lad when he was dying.

 

I’ve no doubt most footballers will be doing the right thing, quietly. They don’t need big mouth politicians and pundits lecturing them on how to behave.

 

 

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I don’t think all the pop stars and self made millionaires that you mentioned are on contracted salary’s. Nobody is obliged to pay any of t them a bean if they don’t perform....

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When people at the bottom get assistance they are scroungers, when people a the top get assistance its called business.

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You didnt watch the presser, did you. That's fine.

 

Once you see Hancock you can be sure it will be similar on QT, BBC Breakfast as well.

 

I get you need bogeymen more than anyone

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Matt Hancock is shaping up very well, we are all in this together but it still amazes me to find a caring Tory MP who has empathy and compassion for real people and their problems. Maybe we will return to the one-nation style of conservatism that we thought might have disappeared for eve. By 'we' I mean those who are left when this storm has passed through.

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Matt Hancock is shaping up very well, we are all in this together but it still amazes me to find a caring Tory MP who has empathy and compassion for real people and their problems. Maybe we will return to the one-nation style of conservatism that we thought might have disappeared for eve. By 'we' I mean those who are left when this storm has passed through.

 

"some nurses" might disagree with you...

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I would be livid as well.

 

To single out football Is a cheap easy point. Nobody is hassling Paul McCartney or Elton John. Where are the calls for Steve Coogan, Hugh Grant or Liam Gallagher to take a pay cut, hell why aren’t politicians calling out their own millionaires like Philip Hammond, Jeremy Hunt & Nadhim Zahawi.

 

Football does loads for local communities and I bet players do more hospital visits than any other line of “celebrity “. Bournemouth are taking loads of stick regarding furloughed workers but I know for a fact they do absolutely loads of this sort of stuff. My friend lost his 18 year old and Bournemouth (Callum Wilson in particular) were absolutely fantastic to the lad when he was dying.

 

I’ve no doubt most footballers will be doing the right thing, quietly. They don’t need big mouth politicians and pundits lecturing them on how to behave.

 

 

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Bang wrong!

 

 

 

 

 

Sir Jimmy Saville did way more hospital visits than footballers do.

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Dear me! We do have some prize ones on here - particularly prize ones who have no knowledge what they are crowing about.

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none of that lot have furloughed all their low paid staff pal.

 

Nor have the players. My post was sticking up for players, not the clubs........pal.

 

 

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Nor have the players. My post was sticking up for players, not the clubs........pal.

 

 

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I'm sure you know, but im not sure what your point is pal

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I don’t think all the pop stars and self made millionaires that you mentioned are on contracted salary’s. Nobody is obliged to pay any of t them a bean if they don’t perform....

 

Precisely.

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So what's the end game here? The latest I hear is the government want to roll out testing, that shows if you've had the virus or not, and if you have then you get a "passport" to pick up your life and get back to normal. What happens to those that haven't had it? Do we just stay locked down until we either catch it (unlikely if we are stuck in our houses) or a vaccine becomes available?

 

From a footballing point of view if next season starts will teams only be allowed to field players who tests have shown have had the virus already?

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So what's the end game here? The latest I hear is the government want to roll out testing, that shows if you've had the virus or not, and if you have then you get a "passport" to pick up your life and get back to normal. What happens to those that haven't had it? Do we just stay locked down until we either catch it (unlikely if we are stuck in our houses) or a vaccine becomes available?

 

From a footballing point of view if next season starts will teams only be allowed to field players who tests have shown have had the virus already?

 

What’s the alternative?

 

Nothing will be back to normal until enough people are immune or a vaccine becomes available. If I was a betting man, I’d back the first of those options.

 

 

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So what's the end game here? The latest I hear is the government want to roll out testing, that shows if you've had the virus or not, and if you have then you get a "passport" to pick up your life and get back to normal. What happens to those that haven't had it? Do we just stay locked down until we either catch it (unlikely if we are stuck in our houses) or a vaccine becomes available?

 

From a footballing point of view if next season starts will teams only be allowed to field players who tests have shown have had the virus already?

 

A lot of people would then deliberately try and infect themselves in order to gain freedom. Imagine holiday companies offering dirty cheap holidays to try and stimulate a bit of business but you need a stamp before you’re allowed to go...

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Matt Hancock is shaping up very well, we are all in this together but it still amazes me to find a caring Tory MP who has empathy and compassion for real people and their problems. Maybe we will return to the one-nation style of conservatism that we thought might have disappeared for eve. By 'we' I mean those who are left when this storm has passed through.

 

MH is the least worse spokesperson but is still electioneering. To any pertinent question over the last 10 years we have been told that there are a record number of X or £x have been spent etc when the reality was that the numbers were well short and the £ were less due to inflation.The Tories have just employed another right wing Communication expert from NZ to gloss over Boris and his false promises. 40 new hospitals when only 1 is proposed and mainly because the present hospital site would be redeveloped ! None of the other 39 were going to be built , just looked into , another lie.

I remember Thatcher at the Tory conference declaring 800 new hospital beds but omitting to mention they had closed 1100 hospital beds.

The Tories did nothing about Coronavirus until it was too late , lack of testing , tracking Ill people , repatriating UK residents abroad , failing to act after the 3 day simulation exercise in 2017 for a pandemic that showed the NHS couldn’t cope and not spending money on relevant PPE equipment ready for a pandemic. This has all come back to haunt Us now .

The government spokespeople are still trotting out meaningless figures and promising undeliverable testing regimes while people in the NHS are dying for lack of basic PPE . The WHO told them they needed visors , coveralls etc but your government down graded the standards to apron , gloves and paper mask !

Just watch coverage from the Far East , their doctors and nurses are totally enclosed with full biohazard equipment not any bare skin or part of their body exposed at all . Boris and his cohorts are a total joke And totally out of their depth , wait for Brexit to start at the end of this year to put the. final nail in our collective coffin. We need food grown at home but have no one to harvest it and this government put up a bill on farming that didn’t mention food production.

You couldn’t make it up and if you did you would be slagged off by the very same people ie Boris & co .

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A lot of people would then deliberately try and infect themselves in order to gain freedom. Imagine holiday companies offering dirty cheap holidays to try and stimulate a bit of business but you need a stamp before you’re allowed to go...

 

I can’t see what the alternative is. It won’t be Boris Johnson announcing a sudden end to the lockdown and it’s all back to normal.

 

As you say, once there’s some sort of certification to say you’re back to normal you’ve got a golden ticket. Not just holidays or going to pubs, livelihoods will depend on it. Decorators & builders etc with the all clear certifications will be in demand, winning contracts over others stuck at home . The job market will be skewed in favour of certificate holders. Small independent shops where the owner has a certificate will open, whereas others can’t. The incentive for people to catch it would grow & grow. What happens to the people working at the moment who have never had it, will they be sent home. Both me & the snap dragon have continued to work, are we going to be told “thanks for working when most weren’t , but you’re not certified clear so home you go.” That’ll go down like a lead balloon if it’s just as the pubs are re opening.

 

I honestly don’t think the Government have thought it through and I certainly have no faith in them coming up with a sensible solution.

 

 

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MH is the least worse spokesperson but is still electioneering. To any pertinent question over the last 10 years we have been told that there are a record number of X or £x have been spent etc when the reality was that the numbers were well short and the £ were less due to inflation.The Tories have just employed another right wing Communication expert from NZ to gloss over Boris and his false promises. 40 new hospitals when only 1 is proposed and mainly because the present hospital site would be redeveloped ! None of the other 39 were going to be built , just looked into , another lie.

I remember Thatcher at the Tory conference declaring 800 new hospital beds but omitting to mention they had closed 1100 hospital beds.

The Tories did nothing about Coronavirus until it was too late , lack of testing , tracking Ill people , repatriating UK residents abroad , failing to act after the 3 day simulation exercise in 2017 for a pandemic that showed the NHS couldn’t cope and not spending money on relevant PPE equipment ready for a pandemic. This has all come back to haunt Us now .

The government spokespeople are still trotting out meaningless figures and promising undeliverable testing regimes while people in the NHS are dying for lack of basic PPE . The WHO told them they needed visors , coveralls etc but your government down graded the standards to apron , gloves and paper mask !

Just watch coverage from the Far East , their doctors and nurses are totally enclosed with full biohazard equipment not any bare skin or part of their body exposed at all . Boris and his cohorts are a total joke And totally out of their depth , wait for Brexit to start at the end of this year to put the. final nail in our collective coffin. We need food grown at home but have no one to harvest it and this government put up a bill on farming that didn’t mention food production.

You couldn’t make it up and if you did you would be slagged off by the very same people ie Boris & co .

 

You seem a right drip

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I can’t see what the alternative is. It won’t be Boris Johnson announcing a sudden end to the lockdown and it’s all back to normal.

 

As you say, once there’s some sort of certification to say you’re back to normal you’ve got a golden ticket. Not just holidays or going to pubs, livelihoods will depend on it. Decorators & builders etc with the all clear certifications will be in demand, winning contracts over others stuck at home . The job market will be skewed in favour of certificate holders. Small independent shops where the owner has a certificate will open, whereas others can’t. The incentive for people to catch it would grow & grow. What happens to the people working at the moment who have never had it, will they be sent home. Both me & the snap dragon have continued to work, are we going to be told “thanks for working when most weren’t , but you’re not certified clear so home you go.” That’ll go down like a lead balloon if it’s just as the pubs are re opening.

 

I honestly don’t think the Government have thought it through and I certainly have no faith in them coming up with a sensible solution.

 

 

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I think the best approach is another month of lockdown, towards the end of which we will have to assess the trends in cases and fatalities and - more importantly - how close to capacity the NHS is operating. As crude and morbid as it sounds, if they’re are coping reasonably well and can handle a modest increase in patients, we can look at reopening certain businesses in strictly controlled and limited amounts.

 

If it were up to me I’d say, in order of priority:

- Shops and shopping centres, possibly with a requirement to wear PPE when inside.

- Self employed businesses. Sparkies, plumbers, hairdressers, etc.

- Banks, council buildings etc.

- Gymnasiums and sports centres.

- Bars, restaurants... basically anywhere food is prepared

- Sporting events, music gigs, religious ceremonies, weddings. Basically anything involving large gatherings of people.

- Air travel. As painful as it, it has to be the last thing to reopen. Nothing spreads a disease as far and wide as international air travel.

 

The whole immune passport thing is the worst thing we can do IMO. Far too many people will deliberately seek infection.

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I think the best approach is another month of lockdown, towards the end of which we will have to assess the trends in cases and fatalities and - more importantly - how close to capacity the NHS is operating. As crude and morbid as it sounds, if they’re are coping reasonably well and can handle a modest increase in patients, we can look at reopening certain businesses in strictly controlled and limited amounts.

 

 

The whole immune passport thing is the worst thing we can do IMO. Far too many people will deliberately seek infection.

 

I think they’re still following this herd immunity thing, but without trying to frighten the horses by admitting it. In the absence of a vaccine or keeping people in lockdown permanently , how else can we defeat it. I presume their endgame is a large population immune without the NHS falling over. Sir Max Hastings reckons it’ll end up with the old & underlying health condition people staying in lockdown and the rest of us avoiding them & taking our chances. The ones with a high chance of dying from it, shielded and the rest of society carrying on. As a country, I’m not sure we’ve got the stomach for that.

 

I thought the immune certificate as a good idea, but the more I think about it, the worse it seems.

 

 

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So what's the end game here? The latest I hear is the government want to roll out testing, that shows if you've had the virus or not, and if you have then you get a "passport" to pick up your life and get back to normal. What happens to those that haven't had it? Do we just stay locked down until we either catch it (unlikely if we are stuck in our houses) or a vaccine becomes available?

 

From a footballing point of view if next season starts will teams only be allowed to field players who tests have shown have had the virus already?

 

Yes, that is the plan but the problem is no reliable test exists to date (https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-antibody-test-g7-leaders-accuracy-covid-19-immunity-passports-2020-4?r=US&IR=T) and when it is available it will not be cheap and there will be a bloody long queue with the worlds wealthy and then major trading blocks in front of us. By the time the UK get it on the NHS, it should have all blown over anyhow.

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When people at the bottom get assistance they are scroungers, when people a the top get assistance its called business.

 

It’s those who are furloughed that get the money, not the people at the top.

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Saints featured on BBC news , providing meals for the needy etc via the StMarys catering team and the Saints Foundation . Well done ! . I see at WHL are using their underground car park as a food distribution centre .

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Saints featured on BBC news , providing meals for the needy etc via the StMarys catering team and the Saints Foundation . Well done ! . I see at WHL are using their underground car park as a food distribution centre .
Just watched that BBC report about what our catering team are doing with Saints Foundation. Excellent stuff and exactly the kind of thing the club should be doing.

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It’s those who are furloughed that get the money, not the people at the top.

 

Levy makes more money furloughing staff.

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Do you mean ‘loses less money’?

 

Do you actually welcome what Spurs have done?

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Do you mean ‘loses less money’?

 

I believe he 'earnt' £7 million quid last year.

 

I'm really struggling with some of the views on here (and that's not including some of the politically charged rants). Some arguing footballers are great because they've visited a hospital, it's the rock stars who are the enemy. People saying clubs are right to be acting this way because the government provided a fund for this, to save the poor unfortunate low paid workers.

 

People with those views are missing a few simple points.

1) this is not directed at footballers in the sense that we think they are all evil. Many do indeed perform many community actions. However, their leadership via clubs and/or PFA have got he balance massively wrong in terms of performing their duty in protecting their members /prized employees, versus acting fairly in the wider (global) community

2) in terms of rock Stars etc., 2 wrongs don't make a right. If you're rich you should be doing your bit

3) the accountancy argument is utterly wrong and misses the point. If someone could point out the following to Andros Townsend it would be appreciated:

 

Normal times you have income and outgoings. Most outgoings are on staff, and almost uniquely in football, they are massively skewed in favour of a few elite performers. These people are arguably some of the most privileged people on the planet. I'd remember that fact.

The income is being impacted. It could be about to get a whole lot worse depending in to revenue, but at present its just essentially gate receipts and over priced burgers, not insignificant but not the main revenue stream either, at least at PL level.

 

Elsewhere, there are companies that have lost their entire revenue stream, and have no means to pay their staff, most of whom are on relatively low wages.

 

In order to prevent total social breakdown, the government I troduced a scheme to help pay these people. The bill will be picked up by the tax payer. Worth noting the tax payer is not a mysterious man with a funny name, but is you and I, earning our average salary of 20 -30k

 

Now here's where it gets to decision time for football clubs, and where they are basically acting like ****s. Like all companies, they have to rebalance their outgoings with income over this strange period which will last for an unknown time. They can either reduce their outgoings by getting their lower paid staff to be paid by the government, or ask their highest paid staff (some of the most privileged in society) to reduce their wages instead.

 

One action means that the taxpayer (you and I) helps pay for these staff at companies we have no interest in for years to come in higher taxes, the other sees highly privileged people help pay for people they work with and rely on every single day of their current working lives.

 

Of course, from an accounting point of view, it makes sense for a company to take the gre money option. And you can argue that in a progressive tax system, we are all paying, and the rich are paying more than the poor.

 

In the real world, however, the rich don't pay more tax, the clubs at the top end of the PL are so awash with money they dump millions at the feet of agents, call girls and god knows what else every year, and the players are enormously well-paid and privileged. And the staff being furloughed are people they work with every day at their own clubs!!!

 

I fail to see how anyone doesn't find this morally abhorrent. There are accountancy arguments, progressive taxation arguments, and discussions about where to draw the line in terms of first team v youth team players, how far down the football pyramid we're talking etc., but for (and I'm sure Harry Kane is a charitable Saint) the England captain at a champions league club on millions a year to be taking no pay cut while his fellow club staff (the club he's famously supported all his life) get laid off at the governments cost, to be paid for by me through my tax, when he's got nothing to do (not his fault) and people all around him in his city, country and world are being laid off in droves, losing businesses they've spent years building, losing loved ones and not being able to attend funerals, and risking lives helping people who are dying in underfunded hospitals because you and I can't really afford any more tax already is 4UCKING DISGUSTING.

 

It is not Harry Kane's fault. He hasn't made this decsision, and might be opposed to it for all we know. But that is the context. He's on millions, and expects me to pay for his masseuse at his boyhood club who he works with every day through my tax because he doesn't want a pay cut. While his boss picks up a £3 million bonus for delivering a late stadium and will no doubt get another bonus for safely navigating Spurs through coronavirus through his brilliant accounting decisions.

 

Utter c4nts.

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Do you mean ‘loses less money’?

 

I believe he 'earnt' £7 million quid last year.

 

I'm really struggling with some of the views on here (and that's not including some of the politically charged rants). Some arguing footballers are great because they've visited a hospital, it's the rock stars who are the enemy. People saying clubs are right to be acting this way because the government provided a fund for this, to save the poor unfortunate low paid workers.

 

People with those views are missing a few simple points.

1) this is not directed at footballers in the sense that we think they are all evil. Many do indeed perform many community actions. However, their leadership via clubs and/or PFA have got he balance massively wrong in terms of performing their duty in protecting their members /prized employees, versus acting fairly in the wider (global) community

2) in terms of rock Stars etc., 2 wrongs don't make a right. If you're rich you should be doing your bit

3) the accountancy argument is utterly wrong and misses the point. If someone could point out the following to Andros Townsend it would be appreciated:

 

Normal times you have income and outgoings. Most outgoings are on staff, and almost uniquely in football, they are massively skewed in favour of a few elite performers. These people are arguably some of the most privileged people on the planet. I'd remember that fact.

The income is being impacted. It could be about to get a whole lot worse depending in tv revenue, but at present its just essentially gate receipts and over priced burgers, not insignificant but not the main revenue stream either, at least at PL level.

 

Elsewhere, there are companies that have lost their entire revenue stream, and have no means to pay their staff, most of whom are on relatively low wages.

 

In order to prevent total social breakdown, the government introduced a scheme to help pay these people. The bill will be picked up by the tax payer. Worth noting the tax payer is not a mysterious man with a funny name, but is you and I, earning our average salary of 20 -30k

 

Now here's where it gets to decision time for football clubs, and where they are basically acting like ****s. Like all companies, they have to rebalance their outgoings with income over this strange period which will last for an unknown time. They can either reduce their outgoings by getting their lower paid staff to be paid by the government, or ask their highest paid staff (some of the most privileged in society) to reduce their wages instead.

 

One action means that the taxpayer (you and I) helps pay for these staff at companies we have no interest in for years to come in higher taxes, the other sees highly privileged people help pay for people they work with and rely on every single day of their current working lives.

 

Of course, from an accounting point of view, it makes sense for a company to take the free money option. And you can argue that in a progressive tax system, we are all paying, and the rich are paying more than the poor.

 

In the real world, however, the rich don't pay more tax, the clubs at the top end of the PL are so awash with money they dump millions at the feet of agents, call girls and god knows what else every year, and the players are enormously well-paid and privileged. And the staff being furloughed are people they work with every day at their own clubs!!!

 

I fail to see how anyone doesn't find this morally abhorrent. There are accountancy arguments, progressive taxation arguments, and discussions about where to draw the line in terms of first team v youth team players, how far down the football pyramid we're talking etc., but for (and I'm sure Harry Kane is a charitable Saint) the England captain at a champions league club on millions a year to be taking no pay cut while his fellow club staff (the club he's famously supported all his life) get laid off at the governments cost, to be paid for by me through my tax, when he's got nothing to do (not his fault) and people all around him in his city, country and world are being laid off in droves, losing businesses they've spent years building, losing loved ones and not being able to attend funerals, and risking lives helping people who are dying in underfunded hospitals because you and I can't really afford any more tax already is 4UCKING DISGUSTING.

 

It is not Harry Kane's fault. He hasn't made this decsision, and might be opposed to it for all we know. But that is the context. He's on millions, and expects me to pay for his masseuse at his boyhood club who he works with every day through my tax because he doesn't want a pay cut. While his boss picks up a £3 million bonus for delivering a late stadium and will no doubt get another bonus for safely navigating Spurs through coronavirus through his brilliant accounting decisions.

 

Utter c4nts.

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It would have been good if the players , manager and board all chipped in to a fund to support the lowly paid workers at each club.

 

Clubs seem to be waiting for the football authorities to make their mind up about this season , UEFA , FA etc seem to be hanging on to prevent losing £750M TV payments so all in limbo . A bit of leadership is required here 1. to tell clubs to support their workers and 2. to make some statements about this season and the alternatives . I don't see going through the motions to finish the remaining games as the answer as the outcome will always have an asterisk attached plus it will impinge on next season.

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I believe he 'earnt' £7 million quid last year.

 

I'm really struggling with some of the views on here (and that's not including some of the politically charged rants). Some arguing footballers are great because they've visited a hospital, it's the rock stars who are the enemy. People saying clubs are right to be acting this way because the government provided a fund for this, to save the poor unfortunate low paid workers.

 

People with those views are missing a few simple points.

1) this is not directed at footballers in the sense that we think they are all evil. Many do indeed perform many community actions. However, their leadership via clubs and/or PFA have got he balance massively wrong in terms of performing their duty in protecting their members /prized employees, versus acting fairly in the wider (global) community

2) in terms of rock Stars etc., 2 wrongs don't make a right. If you're rich you should be doing your bit

3) the accountancy argument is utterly wrong and misses the point. If someone could point out the following to Andros Townsend it would be appreciated:

 

Normal times you have income and outgoings. Most outgoings are on staff, and almost uniquely in football, they are massively skewed in favour of a few elite performers. These people are arguably some of the most privileged people on the planet. I'd remember that fact.

The income is being impacted. It could be about to get a whole lot worse depending in to revenue, but at present its just essentially gate receipts and over priced burgers, not insignificant but not the main revenue stream either, at least at PL level.

 

Elsewhere, there are companies that have lost their entire revenue stream, and have no means to pay their staff, most of whom are on relatively low wages.

 

In order to prevent total social breakdown, the government I troduced a scheme to help pay these people. The bill will be picked up by the tax payer. Worth noting the tax payer is not a mysterious man with a funny name, but is you and I, earning our average salary of 20 -30k

 

Now here's where it gets to decision time for football clubs, and where they are basically acting like ****s. Like all companies, they have to rebalance their outgoings with income over this strange period which will last for an unknown time. They can either reduce their outgoings by getting their lower paid staff to be paid by the government, or ask their highest paid staff (some of the most privileged in society) to reduce their wages instead.

 

One action means that the taxpayer (you and I) helps pay for these staff at companies we have no interest in for years to come in higher taxes, the other sees highly privileged people help pay for people they work with and rely on every single day of their current working lives.

 

Of course, from an accounting point of view, it makes sense for a company to take the gre money option. And you can argue that in a progressive tax system, we are all paying, and the rich are paying more than the poor.

 

In the real world, however, the rich don't pay more tax, the clubs at the top end of the PL are so awash with money they dump millions at the feet of agents, call girls and god knows what else every year, and the players are enormously well-paid and privileged. And the staff being furloughed are people they work with every day at their own clubs!!!

 

I fail to see how anyone doesn't find this morally abhorrent. There are accountancy arguments, progressive taxation arguments, and discussions about where to draw the line in terms of first team v youth team players, how far down the football pyramid we're talking etc., but for (and I'm sure Harry Kane is a charitable Saint) the England captain at a champions league club on millions a year to be taking no pay cut while his fellow club staff (the club he's famously supported all his life) get laid off at the governments cost, to be paid for by me through my tax, when he's got nothing to do (not his fault) and people all around him in his city, country and world are being laid off in droves, losing businesses they've spent years building, losing loved ones and not being able to attend funerals, and risking lives helping people who are dying in underfunded hospitals because you and I can't really afford any more tax already is 4UCKING DISGUSTING.

 

It is not Harry Kane's fault. He hasn't made this decsision, and might be opposed to it for all we know. But that is the context. He's on millions, and expects me to pay for his masseuse at his boyhood club who he works with every day through my tax because he doesn't want a pay cut. While his boss picks up a £3 million bonus for delivering a late stadium and will no doubt get another bonus for safely navigating Spurs through coronavirus through his brilliant accounting decisions.

 

Utter c4nts.

 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52163997

 

Danny Rose feels as if Premier League players have 'their backs to the wall' because other people are telling them what to do with their money.

 

Must be incredibly difficult for you Danny, I'm sure all the laid off, minimum wage bar staff, Top Shop assistants and Easyjet cabin crew have every sympathy for you.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52163997

 

Danny Rose feels as if Premier League players have 'their backs to the wall' because other people are telling them what to do with their money.

 

Must be incredibly difficult for you Danny, I'm sure all the laid off, minimum wage bar staff, Top Shop assistants and Easyjet cabin crew have every sympathy for you.

 

It goes further than the "backs against wall" bit. He went on to say :

 

"I can only speak for myself but I would have no problems whatsoever contributing any of my wages to people who are fighting this on the front line and to people who have been affected by what's happening at the minute."

 

That suggests to me that he's up for some sort of contribution or donation, not a willingness to take a pay cut per se. Further, I'm sensing a lack of understanding of why footballers are in the firing line.

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It goes further than the "backs against wall" bit. He went on to say :

 

"I can only speak for myself but I would have no problems whatsoever contributing any of my wages to people who are fighting this on the front line and to people who have been affected by what's happening at the minute."

 

That suggests to me that he's up for some sort of contribution or donation, not a willingness to take a pay cut per se. Further, I'm sensing a lack of understanding of why footballers are in the firing line.

 

There're loads of gems in there.

 

"Essentially, if the players take a wage cut, the beneficiaries are the clubs. Their main concern is what is happening to this money. They are happy to put money into a pot, rather than it just vanishing. They want to have an influence as to where this money is going"

 

Nowhere Danny! The money isn't GOING anywhere there is just less to give you, that's the point. The clubs aren't benefiting, they've taken a massive hit in income and they're trying to cut costs.

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I think poor Mr Rose would be better off directing his ire at the likes of Ashley and Levy for rushing to furlough the person who tops up Danny’s monographed gold-plated water bottle before waiting to see what the players did rather than any politicians questioning the moral validity of this decision.

 

Would rather they chose where it went?? They work with these people every day, they’d be supporting the lowest paid workers at their own football clubs. It’s not a difficult concept.

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Journos go to Rose as he will always give them something.

Players might say silly things but is the hierarchy at the clubs where should direct the anger.

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Journos go to Rose as he will always give them something.

Players might say silly things but is the hierarchy at the clubs where should direct the anger.

 

Lazy, uninstructive, gotcha journalism at its finest.

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