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16 minutes ago, MarkSFC said:

What you're describing is the difference between normal businesses and football/sport. As a business we are operating normally. We generate income and spend it wisely, hopefully with a profit, or if we lose annually it does not bankrupt us as previous profits are merely reduced and cash flow protected.

As a football business we do not have an owner who wants to spunk a load of money which he will never get back. This does not on its own make him bad owner and definitely not an horrific one. 

We all would love a benefactor - one who does not loan against the club or wants his/her money back at any time but those people are few and far between. 

Until this happens I'm content with the current operational management and how they act and how they communicate. As a business I am confident of sustainability. As a football team (specifically team and not business) I am equally confident with those in placd to sustain our premier league status. 

 

This does not mean I would not welcome more investment in the team but I do believe that Semmens and Co. are doing everything they can to get the best players for Ralph.

Until we get that benefactor I am happy with the status quo. 

 

As i said, I get those views and I can understand where people are coming from to a degree. But my view is that it's not sustainable long-term, there needs to be a better model driven by the owner. One bad season and relegation and that entire model is in total tatters, it's heavily reliant on us staying in the PL by hook or crook and retaining that income.

My biggest gripe has always been his lack of presence. Remember the talk of the five pledges, or whatever they were? Never heard a thing, no one knows what his plan is - I think that's part of the problem. Is he looking to develop us? develop the area? sell up quickly to any charlatan and run?

He's not built a connection with the fan base and no one knows his intentions, it's not a recipe for long-term success or development imo. Football clubs are unique and totally different to a normal business, running it like a bog standard business isn't going to provide much in the way of growth or development.

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40 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Why is it hilarious to suggest he is an horrific owner? He's amongst the worst in the PL.

We survive because of the PL income, we survive because we have players to sell and reinvest. That is our model. That model is driven because we have an owner who will not contribute or invest into us. Without PL income we would be in the financial pits.

The strategy we have is driven by Martin Seemens/Ralph et co, because it's clear they have little money to play with. I understand the views that in some ways Gao being 'silent' can be a positive, but as a fan base you still need to feel the owner is engaged to some level.

Things are going 'well' on the field at the moment, but that is purely in spite of Gao. We have struck lucky with Ralph, but it feels like he is hamstrung and we're never going to see his full potential as a manager because our owner won't invest. Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking 100m/200m - but just having the flexibility to buy a couple of players without needing to work out who you can sell first - that would be a start.

We were told his ownership would take us to the next level and allow additional investment, we now have absolutely no pot to piss in. Taking secured loans out left right and centre. The model to sell before you buy is all well and good, but this relies on us being in the PL. Full stop. KL is as guilty as well, it would be nice to have her engagement on it as well, it feels like she's let us down a little.

He has made no effort to integrate with the fans, he has made no effort to share his ambitions, views or intentions with us - absolutely zero effort. No one knows what he's here for. Why should we give him the time of day? When you add together the fact he's made little or not effort with the fan base and we seemingly have no pot to piss in, there's no doubt there's ill feeling about him.

This 'new' lot sound like someone we need to avoid as well, but that does that make me anti-American? No, it makes me someone who is trying to want the best for the club he supports and it's clear to me at the moment that Gao isn't providing what is best for Southampton football club.

While being careful not to turn this into a 2 way conversation because that's boring for everyone else. I'll try and answer some of that.

First of all, it was hilarious because its not true and as I said, it was a completely hysterical reaction. You could only say he was among the worst if you consider amount paid in from his own pocket, and you don't honestly measure an owner by that do you??

Unfortunately, I think your true issue is shown by the number of times you talk about how we don't 'invest' (in fact when you say that you mean spend (his) a personal fortune as the the club doesn't have it)

We only spend the money we generate because that's what we have always done. This is not a new or unique situation. The only change is the number of clubs now owned by very very rich people who are happy to throw their own money around. Depending on your point of view, and I can tell what yours is, you can decide if that's good or bad but that's simply not us. But it never has been, so I am confused why its now so terrible. Envy I guess.

If it weren't for premier league money we would be in the pits, yes, but so would 100% of clubs. I have news for you. No club goes down and their financial position improves. Very few have owners who just soak up the loss. Ashley being the only example I can think of.

We didn't 'strike lucky' with Ralph. The board and various people, who Gao has put his trust in, made that decision. When owners start making those decisions you end up with managers like Stuart Gray and Steve Wigley.

You say he has never spoken to the fans, but the person in your profile pic, who is rightly lauded on this board, never opened his mouth either. Would you recognise his voice if you heard it? He left it to Nicola, who spoke a great game, and guess what, by the time he left we were on our knees financially, having to pay twice the price for things like a training ground because he  managed to piss everyone off.

Marcus also left us loaded with loans which his daughter, who somehow has become the bad guy (girl), cleared turning them into equity. Lets not get too emotional about this either, he didn't buy us because he somehow fell in love with us over in Switzerland. He saw a premier league product, worth a bargain £15m. This was proven when we sold a single player the next season for just under the price he bought us for. It was a fantastic investment for him, and this came first. So lets not get too hung up on how important it is that we matter in an emotional sense to the owner.

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1 minute ago, RedFear said:

While being careful not to turn this into a 2 way conversation because that's boring for everyone else. I'll try and answer some of that.

First of all, it was hilarious because its not true and as I said, it was a completely hysterical reaction. You could only say he was among the worse if you consider amount paid in from his own pocket, and you don't honestly measure an owner by that do you??

Unfortunately, I think your true issue is shown by the number of times you talk about how we don't 'invest' (in fact when you say that you mean spend (his) a personal fortune as the the club doesn't have it)

We only spend the money we generate because that's what we have always done. This is not a new or unique situation. The only change is the number of clubs now owned by very very rich people who are happy to throw their own money around. Depending on your point of view, and I can tell what yours is, you can decide if that's good or bad but that's simply not us. But it never has been, so I am confused why its now so terrible. Envy I guess.

If it weren't for premier league money we would be in the pits, yes, but so would 100% of clubs. I have news for you. No club goes down and their financial position improves. Very few have owners who just soak up the loss. Ashley being the only example I can think of.

We didn't 'strike lucky' with Ralph. The board and various people, who Gao has put his trust in, made that decision. When owners start making those decisions you end up with managers like Stuart Gray and Steve Wigley.

You say he has never spoken to the fans, but the person in your profile pic, who is rightly lauded on this board, never opened his mouth either. Would you recognise his voice if you heard it? He left it to Nicola, who spoke a great game, and guess what, by the time he left we were on our knees financially, having to pay twice the price for things like a training ground because he  managed to pissed everyone off.

Marcus also left us loaded with loans which his daughter, who somehow has become the bad guy (girl), cleared turning them into equity. Lets not get too emotional about this either, he didn't buy us because he somehow fell in love with us over in Switzerland. He saw a premier league product, worth a bargain £15m. This was proven when we sold a single player the next season for just under the price he bought us for. It was a fantastic investment for him, and this came first. So lets not get too hung up on how important it is that we matter in an emotional sense to the owner.

I respect your views and your opinions, I don't want to throw this into a 2-way either. All I will say is that I'm ambitious about my football club, I think there's potential in here to do well and I've always felt that. Investment is part of it, of course, but having a drive from the top is equally as important - it just feels like we're treading water at the mo. Kat said she'd sold us to take us to the next level, I see no evidence of that.

Markus put significant money into this club to bring us back. We spent a fortune in L1 (on wages and transfer fee's) and he spent a fortune building the new training facilities etc, no...he didn't shout loud, but it was clear to see his input. With Gao, I can't see his input and I haven't from day one. I can't be the only one bothered by that?

Anyway, as I said - I respect your views, we agree to disagree on this subject and we'll see how the future pans out!

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You'd think an ambitious owner would see the potential that Ralph brings.  With what we have, Ralph and the club seem to be aiming for "top half".  Fine, who could complain, but with a bit of investment in the right places I'm sure he could lift us higher.  

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Well done to RedFear, MarkSFC and S-Clarke for a reasonable debate, without resorting to the usual hysteria. For what it's worth. I mainly agree with the point of view of RedFear, and have never really 'got' the dissing of Gao or Kat. The club is available for sale, any one of us could just buy them out, and do things our own way. We just need to raise a couple of hundred million quid. In my experience, if something is going well, as I believe SFC is at the moment, don't underestimate the man (person) at the top.

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What alarms me most about this potential takeover is that at Bordeaux the first thing they did was remove the board and manager. I gave great faith in Martin Semmens and Ralph: anyone should appreciate they are critical in taking us in the right direction.

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I don't think Gao is a horrific owner, he seems pretty average and we could clearly do a lot worse.  Honestly is he any worse than the Liverpool owner, he doesn't really put money in or out and seems to just let them get on with it, just obviously Liverpool have a bigger brand to work on that generates more income. 

He's certainly IMO not worse than the likes of West Ham who throw bad money at everything, seem to flip and change their minds, have no real focus or structure on what they are doing, the owners son mouths off on social media, or the Glazers who literally take money out of Utd for example. 

Gao doesn't invest, doesn't take money out of the club and seems to let the people who know what they are doing run the club sustainably. It's not fancy or flashy, but its been fairly solid, our recent troubles have had nothing really to do with the owner but mistakes by the football people, i.e poor scouting, poor management appointments. 

I think sometimes the grass is not always greener and these rumours worry me to be honest. We have a solid and stable football foundation to build on at the moment, decent first team, a good manager, a solid CEO who seems open about the club, a decent academy system. Plenty to build on without needing dramatic changes, sure some more investment would be great but even that is hard to get right, look at Everton. 

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It seems like by not doing anything Goa has seduced some people. "Well, he's not ruined us and he's not a bellend like the West Ham guys, so he's decent."

The fact is, he brings nothing positive. He brings nothing at all. So, yeah, that's ok for a year or two if you have a decent manager but, let's face it, it's no kind of platform at all. The main difference between last season and the previous was Danny Ings and a more confident coach. That's transitory.

You want a long term platform in the PL, you need meaningful resources. Some teams have it. We do not. Because of that, we will generally be struggling and a bad run of form away from relegation. 

Needing a Mr. Moneybags is distasteful. But it's the PL reality now.

Do I expect Goa to throw money down the drain? No, because he can't. He hasn't got it. Do I think we have the right to demand that of anyone? No, it's just a question of luck.

But the clear reality is that he brings nothing to the table and the fanfare over his takeover was complete bull. You could get behind a financially impotent owner if they had something interesting to say; some kind of plan; a vision that was believable and was galvanising. But he has nothing. As others have said, he just lets other people do the work. But that's not a virtue when ownership is one of the most important factors in success now. If your dad runs off, you don't say, "Well he let my mum get on with it. At least he didn't fiddle with me. He's neutral at worst."

I would also like to know why we borrowed £80m this summer - way more than usual. Obviously Covid will have had some impact but not an impact of the size that requires that much more borrowing than normal.

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2 hours ago, benjii said:

It seems like by not doing anything Goa has seduced some people. "Well, he's not ruined us and he's not a bellend like the West Ham guys, so he's decent."

The fact is, he brings nothing positive. He brings nothing at all. So, yeah, that's ok for a year or two if you have a decent manager but, let's face it, it's no kind of platform at all. The main difference between last season and the previous was Danny Ings and a more confident coach. That's transitory.

You want a long term platform in the PL, you need meaningful resources. Some teams have it. We do not. Because of that, we will generally be struggling and a bad run of form away from relegation. 

Needing a Mr. Moneybags is distasteful. But it's the PL reality now.

Do I expect Goa to throw money down the drain? No, because he can't. He hasn't got it. Do I think we have the right to demand that of anyone? No, it's just a question of luck.

But the clear reality is that he brings nothing to the table and the fanfare over his takeover was complete bull. You could get behind a financially impotent owner if they had something interesting to say; some kind of plan; a vision that was believable and was galvanising. But he has nothing. As others have said, he just let's other people do the work. But that's not a virtue when ownership is one of the most important factors in success now. If your dad runs off, you don't say, "Well he let my mum get on with it. At least he didn't fiddle with me. He's neutral at worst."

I would also like to know why we borrowed £80m this summer - way more than usual. Obviously Covid will have had some impact but not an impact of the size that requires that much more borrowing than normal.

Good Post. 

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I don't think he's seduced anybody, and I also think it's ridiculous to say he's brought nothing. When we appointed hassenhuttl, I recall people close to him saying we had no chance of appointing him, yet somehow we convinced him to join us. Semmens as well has been a big improvement over Kruger.  We're slowly getting rid of the deadwood and improving the squad, all under Gao's stewardship

There is a real tendancy on here to attribute everything bad to an individual, and not give any credit for any good. Reed is regularly slated on here for carillo et all, but if someone mentions vvd or mane etc it always absolutely nothing to do with him. This kind of attitude frankly defies logic.

No Saint is jumping for joy because Gao is in charge. Every saints fan would like an abramovic or Thai king to take us over, but that isn't what this guy mooted in the papers is. We have a sensible owner who isn't rinsing the club or jeopardising our future, and that'll do until we get a better alternative. We've seen what's happened when cowboys and chancers have been in charge of a football club with our friends down the road

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15 minutes ago, Barsiem said:

I don't think he's seduced anybody, and I also think it's ridiculous to say he's brought nothing. When we appointed hassenhuttl, I recall people close to him saying we had no chance of appointing him, yet somehow we convinced him to join us. Semmens as well has been a big improvement over Kruger.  We're slowly getting rid of the deadwood and improving the squad, all under Gao's stewardship

There is a real tendancy on here to attribute everything bad to an individual, and not give any credit for any good. Reed is regularly slated on here for carillo et all, but if someone mentions vvd or mane etc it always absolutely nothing to do with him. This kind of attitude frankly defies logic.

No Saint is jumping for joy because Gao is in charge. Every saints fan would like an abramovic or Thai king to take us over, but that isn't what this guy mooted in the papers is. We have a sensible owner who isn't rinsing the club or jeopardising our future, and that'll do until we get a better alternative. We've seen what's happened when cowboys and chancers have been in charge of a football club with our friends down the road

Well, do we know he isn't one of those? We have no idea.

Better to keep questioning than to say "that'll do".

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2 minutes ago, benjii said:

Not jeopardising the future? We just borrowed £80m.

Not entirely sure what that is for, but quite a few clubs have used a form of loans during this 'coronavirus' period. Possibly leveraged against future TV income, not sure. We've got to plan in the eventuality that stadium numbers will still be through the floor all season, that's a key income for any club. I imagine that loan is just helping us cover that issue, amongst many others.

It's not great, no, but we don't have a very engaged owner so it's prob our only option.

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2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Not entirely sure what that is for, but quite a few clubs have used a form of loans during this 'coronavirus' period. Possibly leveraged against future TV income, not sure. We've got to plan in the eventuality that stadium numbers will still be through the floor all season, that's a key income for any club. I imagine that loan is just helping us cover that issue, amongst many others.

It's not great, no, but we don't have a very engaged owner so it's prob our only option.

I edited the post because we just don't know but it's a lot more than we usually borrow and gate receipts are not a massive part of our revenue. 

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4 minutes ago, benjii said:

Well, do we know he isn't one of those? We have no idea.

Better to keep questioning than to say "that'll do".

You've already changed your point but re the £80m, I cannot find anything in the news about it so will have to take your word for it, but spurs borrowed £175m and are considerably bigger than us https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11675/12000522/coronavirus-tottenham-borrow-175m-to-cover-costs-incurred-due-to-pandemic

Quite happy to keep questioning, but I've seen nothing to suggest he's been bad for saints (albeit he does have a questionable background) and really don't understand why he think he's so terrible. He doesn't engage with us, which I would like him to do as well, but given how we all hated it whenever Kruger opened his mouth maybe that's for the best.  

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2 minutes ago, benjii said:

I edited the post because we just don't know but it's a lot more than we usually borrow and gate receipts are not a massive part of our revenue. 

Fair enough. Yeah, agreed our match day revenue is a small income compared to our PL TV money, but it would still need to be covered in some way.

That 80m clearly wasn't a loan to aid us in the transfer market anyway!! Agree, it's certainly not good to just say you're happy with the status quo. There's a lot wrong with his ownership IMO, and I'll always stand by that and will be very pleased to see the back of him.

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2 minutes ago, Barsiem said:

You've already changed your point but re the £80m, I cannot find anything in the news about it so will have to take your word for it, but spurs borrowed £175m and are considerably bigger than us https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11675/12000522/coronavirus-tottenham-borrow-175m-to-cover-costs-incurred-due-to-pandemic

Quite happy to keep questioning, but I've seen nothing to suggest he's been bad for saints (albeit he does have a questionable background) and really don't understand why he think he's so terrible. He doesn't engage with us, which I would like him to do as well, but given how we all hated it whenever Kruger opened his mouth maybe that's for the best.  

I can certainly agree re Kruger!

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Tyre kicker?   Could be.  Remember the days of Pinnacle having a period of “exclusivity” look how that turned out........nobody on the forum seems to be ITK (or if they are.....not in a position to comment) What games are being played out behind the scenes? Whatever happens let’s hope it is for the good of the club. 

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9 minutes ago, saint lard said:

Adam Blackmore states on his twitter that this rumour this week is BS. He has been told. 
but believes we will be sold in the ‘coming months’
hardly a revelation....and how he knows. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Like I said I was told mid October so it wouldn't surprise me. No idea who we are talking to but we are in discussions. 

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11 hours ago, saint lard said:

Adam Blackmore states on his twitter that this rumour this week is BS. He has been told. 
but believes we will be sold in the ‘coming months’
hardly a revelation....and how he knows. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Thats good to hear. So whilst that rumour is doing the rounds and grabbing attention hopefully the real work towards getting a new owner is progressing smoothly under the radar.

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22 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

I respect your views and your opinions, I don't want to throw this into a 2-way either. All I will say is that I'm ambitious about my football club, I think there's potential in here to do well and I've always felt that. Investment is part of it, of course, but having a drive from the top is equally as important - it just feels like we're treading water at the mo. Kat said she'd sold us to take us to the next level, I see no evidence of that.

Markus put significant money into this club to bring us back. We spent a fortune in L1 (on wages and transfer fee's) and he spent a fortune building the new training facilities etc, no...he didn't shout loud, but it was clear to see his input. With Gao, I can't see his input and I haven't from day one. I can't be the only one bothered by that?

Anyway, as I said - I respect your views, we agree to disagree on this subject and we'll see how the future pans out!

It's called investment.  ML bought the club for around £14 million, invested a significant sum when we were in L1/Championship.  Then Kat sold up for £200million once we were in the premier league.  The Liebherrs did well out of Saints - and so did we as we got back to the premier league.  Not sure how Gao putting money into the club would help Gao - certainly wouldnt increase the clubs value much.  At least he is not taking money out of the club (as far as I am aware) and the club is reasonably well run now after the debacle of Puel/MP/Hughes/Reed etc.  Gao is clearly not interested in the club but at least it is being left alone.  The last thing we want is for someone to come in and asset strip the club (Blackpool/Coventry) and we don't have the revenue to support a leveraged sale as the Glasers got away with at United.

We are still recovering financially from 2016-2019 - lots of deadwood we are paying massive salaries to.  I would be happy for us to survive in the premier league for the next couple of years, by which time the likes of Hoedt, Carillo, Lemina etc will be off the books and we should be in a better place financially to kick on.  And at least the football is generally enjoyable now |yesterday excepted) 

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1 hour ago, kwsaint said:

It's called investment.  ML bought the club for around £14 million, invested a significant sum when we were in L1/Championship.  Then Kat sold up for £200million once we were in the premier league.  The Liebherrs did well out of Saints - and so did we as we got back to the premier league.  Not sure how Gao putting money into the club would help Gao - certainly wouldnt increase the clubs value much.  At least he is not taking money out of the club (as far as I am aware) and the club is reasonably well run now after the debacle of Puel/MP/Hughes/Reed etc.  Gao is clearly not interested in the club but at least it is being left alone.  The last thing we want is for someone to come in and asset strip the club (Blackpool/Coventry) and we don't have the revenue to support a leveraged sale as the Glasers got away with at United.

We are still recovering financially from 2016-2019 - lots of deadwood we are paying massive salaries to.  I would be happy for us to survive in the premier league for the next couple of years, by which time the likes of Hoedt, Carillo, Lemina etc will be off the books and we should be in a better place financially to kick on.  And at least the football is generally enjoyable now |yesterday excepted) 

Getting rid of players like Carillo Lemina and Hoedt might help us from a wage perspective but that s only going to help us buy one player as to buy a player you need to pay a transfer fee. We will hardly get transfer fees for them so the saved wages will have to cover the transfer fee of the additional player.

It is still going to be a one in one out policy if we continue with Gao.

selling the deqdwood is not gonna change that.

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We are basically in the middle, shows the vast different levels of success really, Liverpool and Leicester doing well on not a lot of owner financing (IIRC Henry's money has been invested in the stadium and training ground) Everton, Villa and Fulham doing very little with a lot of investment.

I mean the Everton owner has thrown £300 million into the club over 5 years and they have gone backwards and still have an old outdated stadium. I wonder how long he will last if he doesn't start seeing a return on all this money he puts in?

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1 hour ago, tajjuk said:

We are basically in the middle, shows the vast different levels of success really, Liverpool and Leicester doing well on not a lot of owner financing (IIRC Henry's money has been invested in the stadium and training ground) Everton, Villa and Fulham doing very little with a lot of investment.

I mean the Everton owner has thrown £300 million into the club over 5 years and they have gone backwards and still have an old outdated stadium. I wonder how long he will last if he doesn't start seeing a return on all this money he puts in?

Better ask Usmanov!

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13 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

Dan Sheldon said on TSP he’s doing a piece later this week on the MSD loan & the proposed DaGrosa takeover. 

I don't like the sounds of the DaGrosa takeover, but beggars prob can't be choosers at the mo.

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2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

I don't like the sounds of the DaGrosa takeover, but beggars prob can't be choosers at the mo.

 

2 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

Nice one

The week before, he said he’d heard from sources that DaGrosa couldn’t raise the finances.

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11 hours ago, SuperSAINT said:

That's my general rule of thumb on take-overs -- Don't trust the people giving it large in the press.

Yeah I truly dont understand the press route unless they are trying to lower the price via pressure otherwise you have the finances or you dont and the due diligence has been done.

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26 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Yeah I truly dont understand the press route unless they are trying to lower the price via pressure otherwise you have the finances or you dont and the due diligence has been done.

It’s very much a “look at me!” vibe.

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16 hours ago, SuperSAINT said:

That's my general rule of thumb on take-overs -- Don't trust the people giving it large in the press.

When we were for sale before around the run up to administration the club put out a lot of fake stories, the staff we warned about this and not to speak to anyone about the speculation. 

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4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

When we were for sale before around the run up to administration the club put out a lot of fake stories, the staff we warned about this and not to speak to anyone about the speculation. 

Marc Jackson & Pinnacle were the kind of peeps I was referring too.

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3 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

Marc Jackson & Pinnacle were the kind of peeps I was referring too.

Marc Jackson was a joke, he is a photocopier salesman, he was a sales guy at the first ever job i had. 

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2 hours ago, Turkish said:

Marc Jackson was a joke, he is a photocopier salesman, he was a sales guy at the first ever job i had. 

Wasn't Jackson linked with Barry the Briefcase ?

Pinnacle of course had the full financial backing of Micky Fialka (or similar).

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13 minutes ago, Badger said:

Wasn't Jackson linked with Barry the Briefcase ?

Pinnacle of course had the full financial backing of Micky Fialka (or similar).

 

2 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

With MLT as Chairman....

Yeah!

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4469686.amp/

Pinnacle still maintain that Michael Fialka, and the supposed people behind him, HAD the money to complete a deal and fund the club into the future.

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8 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Duncan Castles says a potential takeover of Southampton is progressing but is 'complicated', with the Premier League now assessing the possible owners.

From 53:00...

https://www.spreaker.com/user/12250300/man-utd-ask-for-dembele

Thanks MLG, been clear something is afoot. Hopefully not De Grosa but we will have to see what actually appears on the table. FAPP especially in the COVID era needs to be far stronger, Gao should clearly have been blocked from buying SFC. No funds and apparent question marks in China. The PL needs to get it right this time. Hard to get much worse than Gao but frankly SFC will find a way. 

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14 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Duncan Castles says a potential takeover of Southampton is progressing but is 'complicated', with the Premier League now assessing the possible owners.

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Well there is zero chance anything gets done in time to impact the window seeing as there are only two weeks to go, so that bit is a load of bollocks.

If the finance is complicated, and Dan Sheldon said multiple sources had doubts as to whether Da Grossa actually was able to pull it together, then its not a great start to any talks.

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