Mohammed Salisu - Official: Signs for Monaco

[DT]

Must be a very bad injury. All very odd.

[SuperSAINT]

6 minutes ago, DT said:

Must be a very bad injury. All very odd.

Ralph wasn’t necessarily talking about Salisu in particular, but when pushed on what type of injuries were in the “muscular” bracket that we’ve spoken about — Ralph said: “hamstrings and calf” 

[trousers]

Forward-wind to 8m 51s to hear our man speak 

Edited 15 January, 2021 by trousers

[DT]

Salisu's selection would beat Fraser and Theo's teams approximately 26-0

[rallyboy]

So we're waiting for him to adjust to the weather...

Did he not pack a coat?

 

[Saint Garrett]

Good to hear him actually speak.

Doesnt seem particularly happy in that video, certainly not at the start when asked about how hes settling in....!

[bangkoksaint]

Watching that video he isn’t playing anytime soon. Clearly not settled here and I still say he may leave without playing a game for us.

[Matthew Le God]

8 minutes ago, bangkoksaint said:

Watching that video he isn’t playing anytime soon. Clearly not settled here and I still say he may leave without playing a game for us.

[Avenue_Saint]

His response to the question on how he is settling was clearly edited out. The camera shifts to a later point.

Looks like a good grounded kid just at a loss to explain the circumstances around his absence. 

[for_heaven's_Saint]

Yeahhhh, he doesn't like it here, does he?

[Toussaint]

On 15/01/2021 at 15:41, trousers said:

Forward-wind to 8m 51s to hear our man speak 

I’m not going to be the one to break it to him that you never get used to the weather. Poor lad

[S-Clarke]

I genuinely think he's another Forren, albeit a much more expensive one. We'd have seen him by now if this was a normal situation, but something is awry in a big way.

[BotleySaint]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

I genuinely think he's another Forren, albeit a much more expensive one. We'd have seen him by now if this was a normal situation, but something is awry in a big way.

Yes, it does seem we may have misjudged his quality level rather badly.

If he's blaming the weather for poor performance/struggling then that doesn't bode well!

 

[Saint Garrett]

4 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

I genuinely think he's another Forren, albeit a much more expensive one. We'd have seen him by now if this was a normal situation, but something is awry in a big way.

My gut feeling is that you’re wrong, but I believe each personal case is different I’d expect he’ll be first choice when we flog Vestergaard this summer for £25m, 

 

No way where we can continue with stephens at the back, 

Edited 17 January, 2021 by Saint Garrett

[austsaint]

2 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

My gut feeling is that you’re wrong, but I believe each personal case is different I’d expect he’ll be first choice when we flog Vestergaard this summer for £25m, 

 

No way where we can continue with stephens at the back, 

My hope that Salisu isn't another Forren is based on reported good performances in La Liga against quality attacking players.   Surely he would have been found out.

[washsaint]

18 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

My gut feeling is that you’re wrong, but I believe each personal case is different I’d expect he’ll be first choice when we flog Vestergaard this summer for £25m, 

 

No way where we can continue with stephens at the back, 

That would be the same Jack Stephens that was part of 3 consecutive clean sheets, including against Liverpool?  

[badgerx16]

8 hours ago, washsaint said:

That would be the same Jack Stephens that was part of 3 consecutive clean sheets, including against Liverpool?  

No, it's Jack Stephens the scapegoat, who gets slaughtered before kick off for simply being on the team sheet.

Edited 17 January, 2021 by badgerx16

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

No, it's Jack Stephens the scapegoat, who gets slaughtered before kick off for simply being on the team sheet.

But we’ve seen it before many times with Jack. He comes into the team and is great for 2-3 games then he slips back into switching off, Making sloppy errors. I’m not blaming him for last night, we did as Well as we could In the circumstances but he did lose Maddison, however it was also good play and a good finish, albeit after a refereeing error. Unfortunately this is how it’s been through his career here. That’s not making him a scapegoat, it’s the facts. 

[Whitey Grandad]

9 hours ago, washsaint said:

That would be the same Jack Stephens that was part of 3 consecutive clean sheets, including against Liverpool?  

That means nothing. He makes mistakes and sometimes gets away with them. Last night he made two short passes straight to a Leicester player. The first led to a good chance for them and a good save from McCarthy, the second led straight to their goal. There’s something wrong with his visual appreciation of the situation. He just doesn’t see the opposition player. It’s not as though they were miskicks or underhit.

The way that Maddison swept past him was not what you expect of a Premier League defender.

[saintwbu]

Bednarek made two absolute clangers last night, and luckily for him Leicester wasted the chances. Then i’m seeing people saying he was absolutely superb last night. Both players made two mistakes, one of them had his punished both times and one didn’t. They’re the first goals he’s conceded in 4 games..

[Mr X]

50 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

Bednarek made two absolute clangers last night, and luckily for him Leicester wasted the chances. Then i’m seeing people saying he was absolutely superb last night. Both players made two mistakes, one of them had his punished both times and one didn’t. They’re the first goals he’s conceded in 4 games..

Bednarek also cleared a certain goal yesterday and made some vital blocks, swings and roundabouts 

[trousers]

Anyone know the odds on Vestergaard having a couple of poor games when he returns and thus reverting to being called a donkey on here? Evens maybe?

[Toussaint]

19 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

That means nothing. He makes mistakes and sometimes gets away with them. Last night he made two short passes straight to a Leicester player. The first led to a good chance for them and a good save from McCarthy, the second led straight to their goal. There’s something wrong with his visual appreciation of the situation. He just doesn’t see the opposition player. It’s not as though they were miskicks or underhit.

The way that Maddison swept past him was not what you expect of a Premier League defender.

TBF the little rat has the ability to sweep past a lot of big defenders on a sodden pitch.

[jemanson]

15 hours ago, saintwbu said:

Bednarek made two absolute clangers last night, and luckily for him Leicester wasted the chances. Then i’m seeing people saying he was absolutely superb last night. Both players made two mistakes, one of them had his punished both times and one didn’t. They’re the first goals he’s conceded in 4 games..

That was my perception too. Thought Bednarek was lucky we didn't concede from those chances. 

[AlexLaw76]

16 hours ago, LeG said:

Not the case. Also...All this weather stuff is absolute bollocks. He just mentioned it like most players do when they arrive in England. Salisu arrived in extremely poor condition, with two muscular injuries. Hopefully his injury isnt one of thkse flaring up. He's obviously been dealing with something else, which will remain private. This guy is the future of our club. 

You appear to be a bit of a club mouthpiece.

evidence so far suggests that Salisu is another Forren (as someone else suggests). 
 

I cannot believe that we would have signed a player, in a position we were desperate for in the summer, with an injury that is so debilitating, the player can’t play a single game for 6 months. 

Edited 18 January, 2021 by AlexLaw76

[egg]

14 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

You appear to be a bit of a club mouthpiece.

evidence so far suggests that Salisu is another Forren (as someone else suggests). 
 

I cannot believe that we would have signed a player, in a position we were desperate for in the summer, with an injury that is so debilitating, the player can’t play a single game for 6 months. 

It's been obvious that there is more going on than injury, and LeG has confirmed that. The something is sensitive and of a personal nature but if we signed him aware of that issue, and that he would be unavailable for ages, then the club deserve criticism. However, if its something that's arisen since, then it's just one of those things and the club need to give him as long as he needs.

The thing for me is that we've never had him available so don't actually miss him. Our problem isn't defensive, it's creating and score goals. 

The Forren comparison is lazy. Forren was never up to it so was shipped out. Salisu is clearly good enough but is unavailable because of health/injury. 

Edited 18 January, 2021 by egg

[beatlesaint]

If he doesn’t like the weather here it’s a bloody good job he didn’t end up in Manchester, Liverpool or worst of all Newcastle.

[Suhari]

16 hours ago, LeG said:

Not the case. Also...All this weather stuff is absolute bollocks. He just mentioned it like most players do when they arrive in England. Salisu arrived in extremely poor condition, with two muscular injuries. Hopefully his injury isnt one of thkse flaring up. He's obviously been dealing with something else, which will remain private. This guy is the future of our club. 

That is an incredible message to hear (presumably from someone in the club). I really hope the guy fulfils his potential.

[SuperSAINT]

 

 

[ally_uk]

Doesn't like the weather?.😂😂😂😂 stick some thermals on stop acting like a lemonade sandwich liven up and get on with it! Is he for real..... 😂😂😂😂

[S-Clarke]

2 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

 

Are they going to ever tell us WTF is wrong with him? 

Baffled, bizarre situation.

[trousers]

9 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Are they going to ever tell us WTF is wrong with him? 

Ralph reiterated it was a "muscle injury" in today's press conference. He said that the lack of access to certain recovery / treatment facilities due to lockdown is elongating injury recovery times (not just for Salisu). One would have thought injury treatment/recovery was an essential activity, but it would appear not...

Edited 18 January, 2021 by trousers

[beatlesaint]

We aren’t going to see him this season are we?

[benjii]

People slag off Carillo, but he did get an assist at WBA. 

[Saint Garrett]

1 hour ago, beatlesaint said:

We aren’t going to see him this season are we?

Not the end of the world, assuming everything is ok, and he'll be ready to hit the ground running next season.  Seems to be quite a few noises recently that "he's one for the future" but I guess that with his transfer fee, and in a position of need, he would come in and hit the ground running this season.

The whole thing is all very odd though.  We can "cope" with Stephens and Bednarek, but if one of those gets injured it gets rather desperate with Vest still out.

I have high hopes for Salisu

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

1 hour ago, benjii said:

People slag off Carillo, but he did get an assist at WBA. 

Good point. Although Salisu has matched his goal tally already...

[bpsaint]

Very odd this never ending injury - thought we were going to see him in October.

Can’t imagine he’d be getting involved in things like that video if it was indeed a case of the Nathaniel Clyne’s

[Turkish]

7 hours ago, benjii said:

People slag off Carillo, but he did get an assist at WBA. 

That’s what £20m and £80k a week gets you. Remember all the back slapping about how hard we had to work to get the difficult deal done?!

Edited 18 January, 2021 by Turkish

[Ex Lion Tamer]

8 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Are they going to ever tell us WTF is wrong with him? 

Baffled, bizarre situation.

I'm baffled by this reaction. We've been told by an ITK that there is something pretty serious in his life which means he came to the club seriously unfit and which appears to be causing ongoing problems. We're not going to be told what the issue is, we can only assume it is ongoing, so just be patient and move on!

[Fatboy40]

47 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

I'm baffled by this reaction. We've been told by an ITK that there is something pretty serious in his life which means he came to the club seriously unfit and which appears to be causing ongoing problems. We're not going to be told what the issue is, we can only assume it is ongoing, so just be patient and move on!

Then to be blunt and to the point why hell did we buy him? Did the club not do its due diligence or did he bullshit us about his fitness and / or mental health?

I'm prepared to place a bet on him being sold on in the summer, a "mutual consent" situation, but I've not yet found where I can place it as I suppose it's too random.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

4 minutes ago, Fatboy40 said:

Then to be blunt and to the point why hell did we buy him? Did the club not do its due diligence or did he bullshit us about his fitness and / or mental health?

I'm prepared to place a bet on him being sold on in the summer, a "mutual consent" situation, but I've not yet found where I can place it as I suppose it's too random.

As I understand it, the reason we got him is that he has this issue and that put off bigger clubs. We took a punt that we could sort it because the reward would be a top quality player. If it doesn't work out then those are the breaks, £10m isn't the biggest fee in the world

[Ultimatt]

We forked over £11m to buy him.

He'll earn £2.5m this year without playing a single minute. He's been fit enough to be named on the bench multiple times yet they didn't even give him a run in the reserves to gain match fitness. What is that about?

"The problem was that while he was fit he was sitting on the bench and then for the next sessions [he wasn't fit]," Hasenhuttl explained

He won't be "the future of the club" if he goes 12 months without playing a game in his prime development years. 

[Turkish]

This is a little worrying

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 19 January, 2021 by Turkish

[Shance]

I've honestly never seen anything like this before. 

[Whitey Grandad]

46 minutes ago, Shance said:

I've honestly never seen anything like this before. 

Delgado?

[Give it to Ron]

20 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Delgado?

At least Delgado played and scored

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Shance said:

I've honestly never seen anything like this before. 

Charlie George? Danny Ings? Sometimes a punt pays off, sometimes it doesn’t. If he turns out to be a dud so be it, but we really don’t know how it is going to go at the moment so why assume the worst?

[Fatboy40]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Delgado?

More of a Kleba Chala than a Delgado.

[trousers]

5 hours ago, Turkish said:

This is a little worrying

 

 

'unable to rectify the problem' appears to be a somewhat contorted interpretation of what Ralph said at yesterday's press conference. He said that Salisu's (and others) injury situation has been hampered by being denied access to the injury recovery facilities at Staplewood. So, a player such as Salisu seems to find himself in a vicious circle whereby his lack of game time means he's unable to build up the appropriate muscle strength which results in recurring muscle strains which the club are unable to treat effectively due to the covid restrictions.

So, that said, I guess 'unable to rectify the problem' could be considered a valid interpretation of where Salisu is at the moment but one would hope that the situation will be rectifiable once the prohibitive covid restrictions have been lifted.

Yours thinking-out-loudly

Edited 19 January, 2021 by trousers

[egg]

14 minutes ago, trousers said:

'unable to rectify the problem' appears to be a somewhat contorted interpretation of what Ralph said at yesterday's press conference. He said that Salisu's (and others) injury situation has been hampered by being denied access to the injury recovery facilities at Staplewood. So, a player such as Salisu seems to find himself in a vicious circle whereby his lack of game time means he's unable to build up the appropriate muscle strength which results in recurring muscle strains which the club are unable to treat effectively due to the covid restrictions.

So, that said, I guess 'unable to rectify the problem' could be considered a valid interpretation of where Salisu is at the moment but one would hope that the situation will be rectifiable once the prohibitive covid restrictions have been lifted.

Yours thinking-out-loudly

That's my take on it. Ralph said yesterday that we're denied access to some facilities that help with addressing injuries. "Unable to rectify the problem" is a dramatic way of saying the same thing.