Matthew Le God Posted 31 December, 2020 Share Posted 31 December, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Totton Saint said: Does Barcelona use tactics or play spontainusly? Not to mention Brazil in the seventies. Tactics are strangling the game. Saints v WHU springs to mind Yes, Barcelona in 2020 use tactics. A huge amount of work goes into preparing for each game, far more than the Saints team of 60 years ago you mentioned. Brazil 50 years ago also used tactics, but significantly less detailed. Edited 31 December, 2020 by Matthew Le God Link to post Share on other sites
sadoldgit Posted 31 December, 2020 Share Posted 31 December, 2020 27 minutes ago, Totton Saint said: I ca remember in the sixties rarely knew who the manager was (Ted Bates was an exception )let alone see lingering close ups of them and their antics on TV every so often and missing the action in the meantime. The cult of managers has come with the arrival of televised games and the celebrity phenomenum I remember Mick Channon saying that Lawrie Mac used to buy good players and just let them play. Those days are long gone. Link to post Share on other sites
Toussaint Posted 31 December, 2020 Share Posted 31 December, 2020 (edited) On 29/12/2020 at 23:06, S-Clarke said: Agreed, it's only going one way whetherr you agree with it or not. Tier 5 mooted (which will apparently include curfews) and almost certainly a 'pause' of all professional sport. Meet 2021, same as Edited January 1 by Toussaint Was talking bollox for a change Link to post Share on other sites
Totton Saint Posted 31 December, 2020 Share Posted 31 December, 2020 28 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Yes, Barcelona in 2020 use tactics. A huge amount of work goes into preparing for each game, far more than the Saints team of 60 years ago you mentioned. Brazil 50 years ago also used tactics, but significantly less detailed. Preparing for a game is different from coaching during the game. I meant why not use the training (preparation)to take precedence.I realise that tactics are now used and need to change during a game but what are captains for. How can players be watching the manager for instructions at the same keeping their concentration on playing football? I accept that maybe I am living in the past and hankering for a golden age when the game was free of shirt tugging and diving, greed etc Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie Wayman Posted 31 December, 2020 Share Posted 31 December, 2020 (edited) Newcastle effectively stifled the Scousers attack last night and it was interesting to see the league leaders resorting to long speculative balls over to the wings in order to try and breakdown the Geordies defence..... but without success. Not only that but in the early part of the game Newcastle looked the better side and should have gone ahead from at least one of the chances they created. The Liverpool defence looked all over the place at times and their much lauded full backs looked anything but the world class players that many hold them to be. This should give us real encouragement as we comprehensively outclassed Newcastle in all departments and won convincingly when they came to St Mary's earlier in the season. That doesn't mean that there are grounds for complacency, far from it but it could mean that Liverpool can be beaten especially when they are on the road. This just might be one of the big upsets of the weekend fixtures. I can see the copy lines now after Danny Ings grabs a hat-trick against his old muckers! Edited 31 December, 2020 by Charlie Wayman Link to post Share on other sites
the saint in winchester Posted 31 December, 2020 Share Posted 31 December, 2020 5 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: Would everyone settle for a 0-0 this time? NO. If we had been winning recently, rather than dropping points left, right and centre then I would have taken a point here. But in the circumstances, we have to go for the win and accept we may come away losing. But please, not another sterile goalless draw. Link to post Share on other sites
Turkish Posted 31 December, 2020 Share Posted 31 December, 2020 Liverpool dont have too many bad performances in a row. Any point here would be welcome. They usually seem to get lucky against us. Cant really see anything other than a Liverpool win sadly. Link to post Share on other sites
Totton Saint Posted 31 December, 2020 Share Posted 31 December, 2020 I have a good feeling about this match. Can't explain why. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
JRM Posted 31 December, 2020 Share Posted 31 December, 2020 16 hours ago, Archers Road Stand said: Newcastle were quite lucky that Liverpool didn't have their shooting boots on. They were wasteful, just like they were against WBA. Newcastle's keeper was also man of the match, on another day could easily have been 0-2. But it does give us hope we could get something, would 100% take a 0-0 if offered now Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Munster Posted 31 December, 2020 Share Posted 31 December, 2020 7 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: Would everyone settle for a 0-0 this time? I'd bite your arm off. Strange, 69 matches and 2 years without a 0-0, and now 2 come along in a row, maybe 3. Just like London buses. Link to post Share on other sites
Chris cooper Posted 31 December, 2020 Share Posted 31 December, 2020 Thiago back from injury is disastrous for saints .. his vision and passing range was there all to see against Newcastle... bad timing for us I’m afraid ..need a good solid challenge on him early let him know he’s in for a tough evening. Link to post Share on other sites
SuperSAINT Posted 31 December, 2020 Author Share Posted 31 December, 2020 (edited) Edited 31 December, 2020 by SuperSAINT 3 Link to post Share on other sites
VectisSaint Posted 31 December, 2020 Share Posted 31 December, 2020 Richard Kitzbichler will be relieved. Great guy but he was out of his comfort zone the other night. Link to post Share on other sites
davefizzy14 Posted 31 December, 2020 Share Posted 31 December, 2020 Great news that Ralph is back tomorrow to take training 1 Link to post Share on other sites
EBS1980 Posted 31 December, 2020 Share Posted 31 December, 2020 1 hour ago, VectisSaint said: Richard Kitzbichler will be relieved. Great guy but he was out of his comfort zone the other night. What makes you say that? Not sure what he did wrong and would have just been implementing instructions Link to post Share on other sites
VectisSaint Posted 31 December, 2020 Share Posted 31 December, 2020 1 hour ago, EBS1980 said: What makes you say that? Not sure what he did wrong and would have just been implementing instructions I didn't say he did anything wrong, far from it. But he isn't a touchline coach, very important, underappreciated assistant to Ralph, who doesn't appear to welcome the limelight. At least he kept Dave Watson out of the picture. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Convict Colony Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Not sure if it was someone else but when i looked who else on the bench did i see Kelvin Davis with a proper skin head or was that someone else ? Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie Wayman Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 14 hours ago, VectisSaint said: Richard Kitzbichler will be relieved. Great guy but he was out of his comfort zone the other night. Where did that pearl of wisdom come from? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
woodsaint1 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 2 hours ago, Convict Colony said: Not sure if it was someone else but when i looked who else on the bench did i see Kelvin Davis with a proper skin head or was that someone else ? Think thats Craig Fleming https://www.southamptonfc.com/first-team/craig-fleming 1 Link to post Share on other sites
DT Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Anyone have any news on Vestergard? Or when he sustained what kind of knee injury he has? Is he now three weeks away form a return? Link to post Share on other sites
davefizzy14 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 10 minutes ago, DT said: Anyone have any news on Vestergard? Or when he sustained what kind of knee injury he has? Is he now three weeks away form a return? I think Ralph's press conference is this afternoon isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites
Sarnia Cherie Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 21 hours ago, Totton Saint said: I have a good feeling about this match. Can't explain why. Oh, I do hope you are right. I would love a win. I would feel more optimistic if we had played the last couple of games with the sort of enthusiasm and never say die attitude we had a few weeks ago. My son calls them LiVARpool. I hope they don't get too much of that going their way. COYS!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Totton Saint Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 11 minutes ago, Sarnia Cherie said: Oh, I do hope you are right. I would love a win. I would feel more optimistic if we had played the last couple of games with the sort of enthusiasm and never say die attitude we had a few weeks ago. My son calls them LiVARpool. I hope they don't get too much of that going their way. COYS!!! Thanks for the reply. I hope Saints pace themselves during the whole game and not overdo the pressing first half, only to run out of steam second half. Maybe the weeks break has had a positive effect 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Midfield_General Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) On 31/12/2020 at 12:36, Totton Saint said: I ca remember in the sixties rarely knew who the manager was (Ted Bates was an exception )let alone see lingering close ups of them and their antics on TV every so often and missing the action in the meantime. The cult of managers has come with the arrival of televised games and the celebrity phenomenum 1937? Edited January 1 by Midfield_General Link to post Share on other sites
Mr X Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) Can't see anything other than a Liverpool win by at least two goals, they are too strong across the park..... please please Prove me wrong saints. Would be nice to at least score a goal Edited January 1 by Mr X 1 Link to post Share on other sites
cloggy saint Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 On 31/12/2020 at 12:36, Totton Saint said: I ca remember in the sixties rarely knew who the manager was (Ted Bates was an exception )let alone see lingering close ups of them and their antics on TV every so often and missing the action in the meantime. The cult of managers has come with the arrival of televised games and the celebrity phenomenum Nonsense. Clough, Allison, Docherty, Atkinson, Revie etc etc, all larger than life and outspoken characters who regularly made headlines. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Whitey Grandad Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 6 minutes ago, cloggy saint said: Nonsense. Clough, Allison, Docherty, Atkinson, Revie etc etc, all larger than life and outspoken characters who regularly made headlines. Some did, but how often during the game did you see repeated close ups of the managers? Link to post Share on other sites
EBS1980 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 20 hours ago, VectisSaint said: I didn't say he did anything wrong, far from it. But he isn't a touchline coach, very important, underappreciated assistant to Ralph, who doesn't appear to welcome the limelight. At least he kept Dave Watson out of the picture. Hard to judge that from the tv coverage. He seemed to spend most of the game in the technical area whenever the camera showed it so assume he was being active rather than just standing there watching the game Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie Wayman Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 14 hours ago, SuperSAINT said: Hmm! Not sure this is wise, there is so much that isn't known about this virus. If people don't believe a positive result then why would they believe a negative one? Sounds like the philosophy here is keep testing until you get the result you want. Never trust anybody who has a vested interest in brushing problems under the carpet. If he does turn up for training before Monday then please SFC make sure he wears mask. At least it will help limit the damage that could be done. Link to post Share on other sites
Micky Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Unfortunately I think it's going to be a long time until we see any points again. Liverpool, Leicester, Leeds and Arsenal will be very stern tests. Normal service is about to be resumed methinks. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Totton Saint Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 3 hours ago, cloggy saint said: Nonsense. Clough, Allison, Docherty, Atkinson, Revie etc etc, all larger than life and outspoken characters who regularly made headlines. Were these managers in the sixties Link to post Share on other sites
Totton Saint Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 3 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: Some did, but how often during the game did you see repeated close ups of the managers? well said Link to post Share on other sites
Matthew Le God Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 3 hours ago, cloggy saint said: Nonsense. Clough, Allison, Docherty, Atkinson, Revie etc etc, all larger than life and outspoken characters who regularly made headlines. 10 minutes ago, Totton Saint said: Were these managers in the sixties Yes. All of them apart from Ron Atkinson and he started managing in 1971 so was close. Link to post Share on other sites
VectisSaint Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 29 minutes ago, Totton Saint said: Were these managers in the sixties Most, and doesn't even include Bill Shankly or even Matt Busby who were huge personalities, especially Shanks. Reason you didn't get managers in your face during TV coverage in the 60s was because of the limited number of cameras in use, BBC and ITV basically showed the action because they didn't have access to much else, nowt to do with not showing personality managers. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
VectisSaint Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 2 hours ago, EBS1980 said: Hard to judge that from the tv coverage. He seemed to spend most of the game in the technical area whenever the camera showed it so assume he was being active rather than just standing there watching the game I think maybe you are over analysing and completely missing the point. Link to post Share on other sites
Matthew Le God Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 5 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: How often during the game did you see repeated close ups of the managers? You didn't for good reason... TV companies only had one camera at a game in the 1960s! Edited January 1 by Matthew Le God Link to post Share on other sites
derry Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 2 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said: Hmm! Not sure this is wise, there is so much that isn't known about this virus. If people don't believe a positive result then why would they believe a negative one? Sounds like the philosophy here is keep testing until you get the result you want. Never trust anybody who has a vested interest in brushing problems under the carpet. If he does turn up for training before Monday then please SFC make sure he wears mask. At least it will help limit the damage that could be done. It turned out his contact that caused the isolation was twice retested due to a suspected false positive and both tests negative RH tested negative. No apparent problem. Link to post Share on other sites
captainchris Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 3 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said: Hmm! Not sure this is wise, there is so much that isn't known about this virus. If people don't believe a positive result then why would they believe a negative one? Sounds like the philosophy here is keep testing until you get the result you want. Never trust anybody who has a vested interest in brushing problems under the carpet. If he does turn up for training before Monday then please SFC make sure he wears mask. At least it will help limit the damage that could be done. The testing is a bit farcical ... Wtf .... False positives and false negatives !!! You get your temperature taken if you visit a hospital or other establishments which again means nothing. You can have Covid for several days before a temperature develops and that is apparently the period where you are most contagious.. The science is still so unreliable and the scientists still groping in the dark.. If Ralph feels well he may as well be at work.. Link to post Share on other sites
Saint Fan CaM Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Only one way this is going...0-4 L’Pool. We’ll knock it around a bit and take at least 50% possession, but ultimately not score because of the ponderously slow build-up play allowing 11 men to get behind the ball. They’ll hit us on the break...0-1 at HT with the remainder coming as we try to catch the game. We just don’t have the quality I the team to match them. Link to post Share on other sites
Saint Keef Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) 2 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said: Only one way this is going...0-4 L’Pool. We’ll knock it around a bit and take at least 50% possession, but ultimately not score because of the ponderously slow build-up play allowing 11 men to get behind the ball. They’ll hit us on the break...0-1 at HT with the remainder coming as we try to catch the game. We just don’t have the quality I the team to match them. You are quite possibly right, but Fulham, Brighton, West Brom and Newcastle have all matched them (all draws) within the past month or two, and I don't see them as having any more quality than us. I guess it all depends on who turns up on the day. If it's us then we stand a chance, if it's them, then we may struggle. Edited January 2 by Saint Keef Apostrophe in wrong place Link to post Share on other sites
EBS1980 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 9 hours ago, VectisSaint said: I think maybe you are over analysing and completely missing the point. Just curious as to how the original decision was made when all we have is the tv footage to use. Link to post Share on other sites
Saint Fan CaM Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 5 hours ago, Saint Keef said: You are quite possibly right, but Fulham, Brighton, West Brom and Newcastle have all matched them (all draws) within the past month or two, and I don't see them as having any more quality than us. I guess it all depends on who turns up on the day. If it's us then we stand a chance, if it's them, then we may struggle. Understand why you’ve said that, but I don’t think any of those teams set-up to play like we. We try to play proper football and generally tend to do OK against the better teams, but only if we move the ball fast and utilise the chances which is not happening enough lately. That will make a huge difference to the outcome of the game IMO, so the likes of JWP, Bertrand, Djenepo and Adams all have to really be firing on all cylinders. Unfortunately I think the tactic will be ‘hold the ball to limit their opportunities and try to counter without causing risk’ and that conservative approach will fall straight into Klopps hands. Link to post Share on other sites
Totton Saint Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 11 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: You didn't for good reason... TV companies only had one camera at a game in the 1960s! Thank you all for these interesting comments. How wrong could I be.But certainly sparked the posters into life 1 Link to post Share on other sites
jawillwill Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Fulham game v Burnley now postponed. There's going to be a big backlog of fixtures soon... Link to post Share on other sites
HarvSFC Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Doesn't help when there's a host of footballers attending parties. Link to post Share on other sites
alehouseboys Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Banking on this being the match that Ingsy recovers his form in front of goal, inspired to impress against his former club. This will have a big TV audience, hopefully do ourselves justice. No idea how this one is going to go. Link to post Share on other sites
Badger Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, jawillwill said: Fulham game v Burnley now postponed. There's going to be a big backlog of fixtures soon... Expect Klopp is writing out his moan and rant on the subject in case it affects them Link to post Share on other sites
nta786 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) I’ve heard Adams ruled out for Monday night and Shane Long (or someone else) will start Edited January 2 by nta786 Link to post Share on other sites
eelpie Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) On 31/12/2020 at 13:40, Totton Saint said: Preparing for a game is different from coaching during the game. I meant why not use the training (preparation)to take precedence.I realise that tactics are now used and need to change during a game but what are captains for. How can players be watching the manager for instructions at the same keeping their concentration on playing football? I accept that maybe I am living in the past and hankering for a golden age when the game was free of shirt tugging and diving, greed etc Teams with inexpensive squads (which includes us ) need to think tactically against the big clubs. They usually have several top international players for each position. Whether it be packing the defence, pressing or when to press, options surely have to be planned. We don't yet have strength in depth, and this is going to be the main difficulty in containing Liverpool. Thank goodness Ralph is back shoutmg and cajoling from the touchline.. If we are at our best we can beat them, bu I will be thrilled to play well and not loose, whatever the score.. Edited January 2 by eelpie Link to post Share on other sites
eelpie Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 5 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said: Understand why you’ve said that, but I don’t think any of those teams set-up to play like we. We try to play proper football and generally tend to do OK against the better teams, but only if we move the ball fast and utilise the chances which is not happening enough lately. That will make a huge difference to the outcome of the game IMO, so the likes of JWP, Bertrand, Djenepo and Adams all have to really be firing on all cylinders. Unfortunately I think the tactic will be ‘hold the ball to limit their opportunities and try to counter without causing risk’ and that conservative approach will fall straight into Klopps hands. Good comments. I've noticed teams seem to be countering our opportunities by setting offside traps. Something Ralph needs to address. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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