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Just now, SambaMaverick said:

'Someone' doesn't assess each goal, but the metric does assess each shot after it is taken, which isolates this statistic to purely gauge the goalkeeper's shot-stopping ability, not the defence's ability to stop the opportunity in the first place. 

I personally think getting a keeper like Romero or Sam Johnstone in would give the defence a huge boost since it's painfully obvious that we're not going to spend big past Lyanco. We can't keep getting our good work undone by FF or AM.

A stat that analyses a GK performance without analysing actual mistakes is utterly pointless.

I'm with you on the point that we need a better keeper, but the average fan doesn't need meaningless stats to tell them that. 

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9 minutes ago, adriansfc said:

It's maybe not the fairest method of gauging them but I don't think anyone could argue with McCarthy being bottom could they? 

Judged against Forster, he's rubbish. Judged against our past premier league keepers, he's atrocious. He's a lon, long way behind the likes of Paul Jones and Maik Taylor, before you get to someone like Niemi. 

Then there's judging him against other premier league keepers. Last season Ramsdale, Areola and Johnstone were relegated. All are far superior to McCarthy. The only keeper I've barely seen is Bachmann at Watford. But every other club has at least one keeper who is far superior to McCarthy. 

We're massively underestimating the importance of the position. Bloody Romero was available for free ffs. We don't need to sign prospects there, we need experience and quality to come in and settle that defence. Right now we have a team that works hard and gets in the lead often, but knows soft goals will keep being conceded. Must be fucking demoralising. 

Except free isn’t free. 

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10 minutes ago, egg said:

I'm with Duck on this. Its pony.

We can see that our keepers are shit, and it's obvious to most that McCarthy is worse. We can all see that Villa, Leeds, Brighton, etc have better keepers. 

We can also all see that our CB's were poor. Dragged out wide Bednarek was a fish up a tree. We can see that the CB's at Villa, Leeds, Brighton, etc. are better.

We don't need stats when the issues are bloody obvious to anyone who's seen us play and has half a clue about football. 

They are not, that's the point. Villa and Leeds having a better defensive record than us is because of Martínez and Meslier. In fact we defend better as a team than Leeds but are let down by McCarthy. Of the 109 GK to have played at least a third of the league minutes in the top 5 leagues McCarthy was rated at 103*.

What I am getting at is this: our CB are much better at doing CB things than our GK are at GK things. Getting a decent GK will result in a bigger improvement to our defensive record than any CB we could realistically get.

*Post-Shot Expected Goals minus Goals Allowed per 90 minutes: Better luck or ability to stop shots. PSxG is expected goals based on how likely the goalkeeper is to save the shot. It's nothing more than an improved version of save percentage by giving a higher value to shots that have a greater probability of going in.

Sort the table by /90. It makes for very grim reading.

https://fbref.com/en/comps/Big5/2020-2021/keepersadv/players/2020-2021-Big-5-European-Leagues-Stats

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3 minutes ago, Cartman said:

They are not, that's the point. Villa and Leeds having a better defensive record than us is because of Martínez and Meslier. In fact we defend better as a team than Leeds but are let down by McCarthy. Of the 109 GK to have played at least a third of the league minutes in the top 5 leagues McCarthy was rated at 103*.

What I am getting at is this: our CB are much better at doing CB things than our GK are at GK things. Getting a decent GK will result in a bigger improvement to our defensive record than any CB we could realistically get.

*Post-Shot Expected Goals minus Goals Allowed per 90 minutes: Better luck or ability to stop shots. PSxG is expected goals based on how likely the goalkeeper is to save the shot. It's nothing more than an improved version of save percentage by giving a higher value to shots that have a greater probability of going in.

Sort the table by /90. It makes for very grim reading.

https://fbref.com/en/comps/Big5/2020-2021/keepersadv/players/2020-2021-Big-5-European-Leagues-Stats

It is pointless. These are stats that do not actually analyse what a keeper does, what mistakes he's made, what shots should be kept out. Analyse all of that, and there's a point to it. 

You can't just focus on one area of the pitch. Our LB last year created next to nothing and gave us a lopsided team; our CM created little from open play; our CM got over run often; our CB's got done for pace time and time again; our manager failed to make changes, tactically or personnel wise ; etc

We were poor last year for many many reasons. Yes our GK's were shit - and we don't need stats to point out the obvious - but we wouldn't have done much better overall with a world beater in goal. 

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16 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

 

Sure I read last week a premier league club bid £1.5m, Everton want £3m. Presume that would be us as the sort of thing we do. Maybe that caused today’s events with the player 

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1 hour ago, DT said:

Apparently Small is coming to us. No idea if he’s any good. 

KWP,  finds JWP, great ball to Small, to smallbone, to Armstrong, to Adams, It’s Adam Armstrong, 1-0! Going to be great being a commentator for us

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So Small in, Lyanco nearly done. Do we reckon that’s us done and dusted for the window? I still feel like we might have one more incoming, despite what Ralph’s said. No idea why, just a feeling.

Cannot believe that Long, Valery and Obafemi won’t be leaving though.

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7 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

So Small in, Lyanco nearly done. Do we reckon that’s us done and dusted for the window? I still feel like we might have one more incoming, despite what Ralph’s said. No idea why, just a feeling.

Cannot believe that Long, Valery and Obafemi won’t be leaving though.

I'd be very, very surprised to see Valery still here - he won't get a sniff now, his time is up.

I can't see us getting anyone else though. I imagine we'll pocket any left over cash to allow us to move early on a new GK next summer, without relying on a sale first.

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14 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

So Small in, Lyanco nearly done. Do we reckon that’s us done and dusted for the window? I still feel like we might have one more incoming, despite what Ralph’s said. No idea why, just a feeling.

Cannot believe that Long, Valery and Obafemi won’t be leaving though.

Ralph is already wrong, as he recently said only one more in. Small and Lyanco make two, so if Ralph was wrong on it being one, maybe he is on it being more than two as well.

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14 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

So Small in, Lyanco nearly done. Do we reckon that’s us done and dusted for the window? I still feel like we might have one more incoming, despite what Ralph’s said. No idea why, just a feeling.

Cannot believe that Long, Valery and Obafemi won’t be leaving though.

We still have a loan space that could be filled, and seeing as we tried to get Minamino back, I think we may still be interested in an AM. 

 

Ryan Christie on the cheap sounds like something we’d do too.

 

I still think we should go back and raid Chelsea. They have so many players surplus to requirements that would fit us, especially in CM.

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6 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Ralph is already wrong, as he recently said only one more in. Small and Lyanco make two, so if Ralph was wrong on it being one, maybe he is on it being more than two as well.

Yeah exactly. I felt when he said it that it wouldn’t be true, and as you say it’s already been the case. Maybe that really will be us done, but we seem to have a bit of a habit of a deadline day signing so I wouldn’t rule it out.

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4 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

We still have a loan space that could be filled, and seeing as we tried to get Minamino back, I think we may still be interested in an AM. Ryan Christie on the cheap sounds like something we’d do too.

I still think we should go back and raid Chelsea. They have so many players surplus to requirements that would fit us, especially in CM.

It would have to be a transfer. Premier League rules state you can only have one player on loan from another club at a time and Saints already have Broja.

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38 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

We still have a loan space that could be filled, and seeing as we tried to get Minamino back, I think we may still be interested in an AM. 

 

Ryan Christie on the cheap sounds like something we’d do too.

 

I still think we should go back and raid Chelsea. They have so many players surplus to requirements that would fit us, especially in CM.

I believe the club spoke to Chelsea about Tino Anjorin a while back but not sure anything has progressed since.  Maybe we got the other Tino instead.

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Yeah, I reckon we'll go into the final few days with that last loan spot open and see if anything interesting comes up.  We've still only got three midfielders for two spots although Armstrong can do a decent job and possibly Lion-o if he signs so it's not like we're desperate but a long term injury to either JWP or Romeo and we'd start to look a little short.

There's going to be a load of players at the big clubs that won't have a chance in hell of making their first team squad and they'll be desperate to get them out on loan.

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1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

I'd be very, very surprised to see Valery still here - he won't get a sniff now, his time is up.

I can't see us getting anyone else though. I imagine we'll pocket any left over cash to allow us to move early on a new GK next summer, without relying on a sale first.

Presumably we have money set aside to fire Hasenhuttl if we need to, as well

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16 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Presumably we have money set aside to fire Hasenhuttl if we need to, as well

Lolz. Dream on.

it isn’t now that we have acquired players that fit Ralph s style that we are going to sack him.

Some members of our fanbase have got peabrains

 

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1 hour ago, SNSUN said:

We still have a loan space that could be filled, and seeing as we tried to get Minamino back, I think we may still be interested in an AM. 

 

Agreed. I think we still need a high quality, attacking player, in the Minamino mould, a flair player who can dribble and create. 

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1 hour ago, saintwbu said:

Yeah exactly. I felt when he said it that it wouldn’t be true, and as you say it’s already been the case. Maybe that really will be us done, but we seem to have a bit of a habit of a deadline day signing so I wouldn’t rule it out.

Well we have been linked to Christie whos contract expires in 6 months so we might do a deal there to get him in early and are seemingly linked with the young centre-back from Dundee Utd as well.

Also didn't the club say something like they had their targets but would also be holding some back to see what could be done nearer the end of the window because the thought with the way the market was their could be some bargains.  Maybe that is what we are seeing but maybe also why there is £10 million or so from the sales, because we might be able to pick someone up usually out of our price range. 

Would love a keeper though, but doubt its happening. 

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13 minutes ago, Billy the Kidd said:

Apparently we are looking for a keeper. One of the guys on the other forum, far from being ITK, has a pretty reliable source who has usually come up correct. 
 

I also think we will be trying for one more, which is the No 6, and I still like another No 10. 

We must be "looking" for another goalkeeper, it's by far our weakest position.  Whether we're looking particularly hard or can actually afford to spend any real money is a different question.

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6 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

We must be "looking" for another goalkeeper, it's by far our weakest position.  Whether we're looking particularly hard or can actually afford to spend any real money is a different question.

Well I don’t think we would be looking without being prepared to sign someone. This has been a pretty good window by all accounts, a good keeper would be insane (Copyright @TWar, who was proved right on that one…)

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1 minute ago, Badger said:

loan ?

That has happened before at relegated clubs.

Recent example was Craig Dawson, first choice player at Watford...loaned him to WHU for the year with an option to buy. Could be an angle on that with Sam Johnstone if we throw McCarthy in exchange.

I still don't think we'll see goalkeeper movement.

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1 hour ago, saintwbu said:

If Sam Johnstone was to leave West Brom, there aren’t many clubs so clearly in need of a number one in the PL. We couldn’t, could we…?

FF on loan there for a season (of course we'll have to pay his wages), we take Sam on loan with an option?

You know it makes sense Rodders.

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