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7 minutes ago, Dman said:

Personally, I find it amazing anyone can look at that list and say we have no need for a striker. Especially given behind Armstrong and Adams (both pretty unproven at this level), we have one ‘being eased in’, one being managed out (obafemi), Tella who’s probably our best winger and Long who put simply is no longer effective at this level. 

Yes we may have numbers, but we certainly don’t have any really quality there. 

The general feel at the end of last season was that we needed Ings, Adams + another then a youngster.

Effectively, what that would look like isArmstrong replacing Long, Borja to replace Obafemi, imo we still need a striker to replace ings. 
 

That being said, we also need 2 CB’s and a goal keeper. The trouble is in recent years we’ve stockpiled a lot of very, very average players to the point where we’re lacking quality in depth across the park. 

Adams is a fine mid table striker, that has been proven. Armstrong isn't proven but a team of our size isn't going to sign a proven prem striker, a 28 goal championship striker is a good replacement. Broja had a good season last year too, he's only been here like 2 weeks, give him another couple before saying he isn't enough, Tella is not our best winger at all, Stuart is far better, and Tella clearly is being played up top this season. Obafemi might be leaving but it isn't confirmed yet. Look at any other midtable prem side, our striker depth and starting players are plenty compared to that.

Armstrong is clearly not replacing Long, that is mental. We don't spend £15m+ on a replacement for a player who is out on loan and barely plays. Armstrong is our Ings replacement obviously, Broja is our way of increasing depth, Tella is our youth player and Adams is still Adams. Thats the four strikers we need and it should be plenty.

I agree we didn't have the best depth last season but if you think a team of our size is signing a proven prem striker to replace Ings and a 28 goal championship striker to be 3rd/4th choice off our bench you are being thoroughly unrealistic.

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Ralph clearly sees Tella as a striker, not a winger. We also have a number of players that Ralph regards as being able to play there if needed (Walcott, Redmond), regardless of our opinion of them. We essentially have 8 potential strikers, we are not getting another. There is only one area of the team where I think we could still do with someone, albeit probably not urgent, and that’s CM. Yes I would like a better GK, and probably a better option in the wide area, but they’re not pressing in terms of actual personnel.

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Just now, saintwbu said:

Ralph clearly sees Tella as a striker, not a winger. We also have a number of players that Ralph regards as being able to play there if needed (Walcott, Redmond), regardless of our opinion of them. We essentially have 8 potential strikers, we are not getting another. There is only one area of the team where I think we could still do with someone, albeit probably not urgent, and that’s CM. Yes I would like a better GK, and probably a better option in the wide area, but they’re not pressing in terms of actual personnel.

Yeah we have 8 potential strikers and our starters will be Adams who got 9 last season and Armstrong who has similar stats to Ollie Watkins, sometimes I think our fans confuse us with a team the size of Spurs or Arsenal, what we have is plenty for our goals.

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5 minutes ago, Dman said:

Personally, I find it amazing anyone can look at that list and say we have no need for a striker. Especially given behind Armstrong and Adams (both pretty unproven at this level), we have one ‘being eased in’, one being managed out (obafemi), Tella who’s probably our best winger and Long who put simply is no longer effective at this level. 

Yes we may have numbers, but we certainly don’t have any really quality there. 

The general feel at the end of last season was that we needed Ings, Adams + another then a youngster.

Effectively, what that would look like is Armstrong replacing Long, Borja to replace Obafemi, imo we still need a striker to replace ings. 

We play a system with 2 strikers, we don't really need more than 4 dedicated strikers for that. If anything the squad is too bloated with Long and Obafemi still here.

Armstrong is clearly not the Long replacement, Long wasn't even in the squad for the last part of the season Ings was here to require replacing. Armstrong is the Ings replacement. Tella has been more effective as a striker and Broja hasn't joined on loan to not make the squad due to us signing another striker.

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1 minute ago, TWar said:

Yeah we have 8 potential strikers and our starters will be Adams who got 9 last season and Armstrong who has similar stats to Ollie Watkins, sometimes I think our fans confuse us with a team the size of Spurs or Arsenal, what we have is plenty for our goals.

I think Ings has made the world think every team needs a 20 a season striker. The reality is outside the top 6 teams (even they often don’t), almost no one gets 20 goals. 12/13 is perfectly respectable for a mid table striker. 

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1 minute ago, saintwbu said:

I think Ings has made the world think every team needs a 20 a season striker. The reality is outside the top 6 teams (even they often don’t), almost no one gets 20 goals. 12/13 is perfectly respectable for a mid table striker. 

Quite right. We needed his 20 2 seasons ago and last (although he didnt) because our defense has been so poor. 

Our issues lie in the CB and DCM areas. 

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24 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

I think Ings has made the world think every team needs a 20 a season striker. The reality is outside the top 6 teams (even they often don’t), almost no one gets 20 goals. 12/13 is perfectly respectable for a mid table striker. 

Yeah bang on. Even 12/13 is way above average for starting premier league strikers. Last season 11 teams didn't have a player who scored over 12 goals including us and Man City! Teams like Chelsea, Brighton, Fulham, Sheffield United, and Wolves didn't have a single player who cracked double figures. Wolves stayed up comfortably and their top scorer got 5.

It's our defence that needs a boost if anything, and our fans really need to have a better grasp of what "premier league level numbers" actually entail as Che is a perfectly serviceable option for pushing top half, let alone staying up.

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57 minutes ago, Dman said:

Personally, I find it amazing anyone can look at that list and say we have no need for a striker. Especially given behind Armstrong and Adams (both pretty unproven at this level), we have one ‘being eased in’, one being managed out (obafemi), Tella who’s probably our best winger and Long who put simply is no longer effective at this level. 

Yes we may have numbers, but we certainly don’t have any really quality there. 

The general feel at the end of last season was that we needed Ings, Adams + another then a youngster.

Effectively, what that would look like isArmstrong replacing Long, Borja to replace Obafemi, imo we still need a striker to replace ings. 
 

That being said, we also need 2 CB’s and a goal keeper. The trouble is in recent years we’ve stockpiled a lot of very, very average players to the point where we’re lacking quality in depth across the park. 

And how much do you think a proven PL quality striker costs, in both fees and wages? You seem incapable of understanding the reality of our financial situation.

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1 hour ago, Dman said:

Personally, I find it amazing anyone can look at that list and say we have no need for a striker. Especially given behind Armstrong and Adams (both pretty unproven at this level), we have one ‘being eased in’, one being managed out (obafemi), Tella who’s probably our best winger and Long who put simply is no longer effective at this level. 

Yes we may have numbers, but we certainly don’t have any really quality there. 

The general feel at the end of last season was that we needed Ings, Adams + another then a youngster.

Effectively, what that would look like isArmstrong replacing Long, Borja to replace Obafemi, imo we still need a striker to replace ings. 
 

That being said, we also need 2 CB’s and a goal keeper. The trouble is in recent years we’ve stockpiled a lot of very, very average players to the point where we’re lacking quality in depth across the park. 

Armstrong is quite obviously Ings' replacement.

Him and Adams will be our first choice, with Broja and Tella as backup, possibly Obafemi too if he stays. Not to even mention Long.

That is perfectly acceptable for a club of our size.

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I think Armstrong will match or exceed Ings last year if he doesn't get a major injury and I think Adams will exceed what he did last year, I think we will end up with two double figures strikers. 

Armstrong is not the level of clinical finisher of Ings, may never be, (but hopefully will improve with training and experience in the league) but I think his speed and hopefully his fitness will give him more chances to score goals over the course of the season. I also think the Adams/Armstrong partnership already looks good and is likely to only get better and they seem to compliment each other more than Ins/Adams did.  I think the two of them will be greater than the sum of their parts basically. 

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2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Are you suggesting Saints should sign him?

Hope not. Only out of contract players I'd like us to look at are Romero and Maksimovic (free agent centreback, most recently played for Napoli). 

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3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Are you suggesting Saints should sign him?

On tbe basis we do not bring another CM in, I'd be quite happy with him added to the squad as opposed to what it is now, as long as it was some sort of pay as you train/play deal. 

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1 minute ago, Baird of the land said:

Am i the only one laughing at the no offers stuff. I'm assuming that's no offers at his ridiculous expectation and wage level.

I found it quite sad, actually.

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3 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Am i the only one laughing at the no offers stuff. I'm assuming that's no offers at his ridiculous expectation and wage level.

Exactly im sure if he asked for 10k a week or so then he would have plenty of offers especially if he has been injury free. 1 year deal, he has a great season then he can ask for more next time.

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The bloke took his career for granted. Never took football seriously, smoked all the time, etc

Assumed he'd always have a good career because he was talked up when he was young. Not a 10, not a DM not a wide player, and rarely fit enough to stick enough games together. And then gets involved with this article....I'm sure if he was that interested in playing he could have gone to Derby when they had 7 players or whatever it was a few weeks ago.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for him tbh. 

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10 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

The bloke took his career for granted. Never took football seriously, smoked all the time, etc

Assumed he'd always have a good career because he was talked up when he was young. Not a 10, not a DM not a wide player, and rarely fit enough to stick enough games together. And then gets involved with this article....I'm sure if he was that interested in playing he could have gone to Derby when they had 7 players or whatever it was a few weeks ago.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for him tbh. 

I reckon if he dropped his demands enough even Palace would have given him a shot considering they released almost everyone. 

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We have no money for transfers and currently have only 3 CM players which is less than teams have for a 3 week Summer tournament much less an entire PL season so we need one more CM player in the squad.  If wages could be agreed then I wouldn't have an issue if JW was signed.  We won't get much better in the bargain bins we are looking at unless Chelsea have an embryo they might loan us?

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35 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

The bloke took his career for granted. Never took football seriously, smoked all the time, etc

Assumed he'd always have a good career because he was talked up when he was young. Not a 10, not a DM not a wide player, and rarely fit enough to stick enough games together. And then gets involved with this article....I'm sure if he was that interested in playing he could have gone to Derby when they had 7 players or whatever it was a few weeks ago.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for him tbh. 

Exactly my thoughts if he wanted to stay in championship and not drop down league. Can't see them having turned him down if he was fit and had sane expectations.

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2 minutes ago, once_bitterne said:

We have no money for transfers and currently have only 3 CM players which is less than teams have for a 3 week Summer tournament much less an entire PL season so we need one more CM player in the squad.  If wages could be agreed then I wouldn't have an issue if JW was signed.  We won't get much better in the bargain bins we are looking at unless Chelsea have an embryo they might loan us?

Smallbone is a centre-mid and Armstrong is a centre-mid.  Supposedly also Lyanco has played DM. 

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3 minutes ago, once_bitterne said:

We have no money for transfers and currently have only 3 CM players which is less than teams have for a 3 week Summer tournament much less an entire PL season so we need one more CM player in the squad.  If wages could be agreed then I wouldn't have an issue if JW was signed.  We won't get much better in the bargain bins we are looking at unless Chelsea have an embryo they might loan us?

Saints can not loan another Chelsea player. The rules only allow one loan from another PL team at a time and Saints already have Broja.

Saints also have Armstrong who can play in central midfield, with lots of alternatives to him not being in the AM role. Plus Smallbone will be back at some point soon.

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7 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Saints can not loan another Chelsea player. The rules only allow one loan from another PL team at a time and Saints already have Broja.

Saints also have Armstrong who can play in central midfield, with lots of alternatives to him not being in the AM role. Plus Smallbone will be back at some point soon.

Could do the same sort of buy back deal as with Livramento though? 

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1 hour ago, Saint Garrett said:

The bloke took his career for granted. Never took football seriously, smoked all the time, etc

Assumed he'd always have a good career because he was talked up when he was young. Not a 10, not a DM not a wide player, and rarely fit enough to stick enough games together. And then gets involved with this article....I'm sure if he was that interested in playing he could have gone to Derby when they had 7 players or whatever it was a few weeks ago.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for him tbh. 

Smoking wasn't the only thing he put in his body that he shouldn't, One of the reasons he was farmed out on loan to Bournemouth (Same with Clyne).

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4 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

think that is us done surely

I think we will "keep our eyes open" as Ralph likes to say. But I think that is it for our planned for transfers. If a great player becomes available near the end at a great deal we have a little bit set aside now to act.

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Just now, Billy the Kidd said:

I see Sam Johnstone isn’t playing tonight.

Well, one can hope, cant he…

It's not unknown for West Brom to loan their first team players to PL clubs, who then sign them the following year. Depends how desperate they are really, but I still don't think we could realistically handle 3 goalies on the wages they'd be on.

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1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

It's not unknown for West Brom to loan their first team players to PL clubs, who then sign them the following year. Depends how desperate they are really, but I still don't think we could realistically handle 3 goalies on the wages they'd be on.

Yeah, not sure they would loan him, being in the final year of his contract, although not beyond the realms of possibilities.

I’m still hoping something will happen with a keeper, but I’m pretty content with the summer window, our best one for quite a while.

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39 minutes ago, Billy the Kidd said:

Likely yes, they just made changes, I’m still hopeful of a keeper, think we need one. Although do we need a No. 6 more?

No. Goalkeeper is the top priority by far.

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