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Well, he ain't going to make it at Liverpool.

But: Depending on what kind of deal we can do I wouldn't be completely against him staying.

He wasn't great today, in fact pretty ropey at times, but I think he has more to offer. I like his energy levels which is what Ralph is looking for. 

 

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He's got good energy, buzzes around the pitch. But ultimately he's too weak and cannot impact at this level.

He's 26/27 now I think, he's not 'one for the future' - this is him. I don't know what Liverpool are holding out for either, he needs to go to a league more suited to his obvious technical talents. 

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Is there even an option for him to sign permanently? From everything I've seen, there was never an option or obligation to buy. Bit of a moot discussion.

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I don't believe there was, but I would still hazard a guess that 'if' we wanted to keep him, then Liverpool wouldn't take too much persuading.
Personally I think we should let him go as we have better options, and they would probably want a decent fee for him and his wages are probably (Liverpool) high. Our tight budget could be spent better elsewhere IMHO.

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The big problem we have at Saints is we keep signing 8 stone 5’10 players.

they may be good players but they are too easily beaten

Minamino, Djenepo, even Diallo

all good players but physically weak
when you look at ex players that beefed themselves up and now compete stronger

Gareth  Bale, Luke Shaw, & Michail Antonio just to name a few

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He was maybe a little better today, but he still looks way too lightweight for me. He should have scored at 0-0 too, those are the chances players of his supposed calibre need to put away.

Still not a fan really, but he's probably as good as we can get in that position - especially if Liverpool can help us financially on another loan deal. Could be a cheap fix for attacking depth.

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Another piss poor performance from him today. Worries me if we’re wanting to get him back in the squad next season. Just does not affect the game. 
 

Armstrong Tella and Walcott plus 2 other new signings would be nice…such a poor position for us. 

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My thing with Minamino was always to give him the benefit of the doubt.

- He wasn't match fit.

- Wasn't confident. 

- Joined us when we were pretty terrible.

A couple of lovely goals showed a talent, but haven't seen much else from him.  Maybe a pre-season behind him might help, but I'm not sure.

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Thought he was poor again yesterday, good movement for his chance but fucked it up, did nothing else of note. He seems to have a very good talent for being as far away as possible from the ball when we start an attack.

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Wouldn't really understand us signing him, he's clearly an alright player (technically very good, otherwise poor) but he's not better than we already have - unless we have a plan to offload a couple of the other attacking midfielders we have.  Either way, unless Liverpool are planning on selling on the cheap, or it's a cheap loan, I'd hope we could do better.

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For what though? He’s not better than Tella, Redmond, Djenepo, Armstrong and maybe Walcott (who we aren’t getting rid of this summer)

Given Armstrong is much more likely to play next season as a “10” rather than a third of it as a “6”, he’ll take one of those starting spots. You then have the rest fighting for the other “10” spot on the left.

The only reason I’d bring him back in on loan, is if it was really cheap, and we were selling Redmond and Djenepo and investing in a properly decent left sided player. 

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2 hours ago, igsey said:

Thought he was poor again yesterday, good movement for his chance but fucked it up, did nothing else of note. He seems to have a very good talent for being as far away as possible from the ball when we start an attack.

He fucked up a good breakaway before that when he lost control of the ball when we had men over. 

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8 minutes ago, redkeith said:

He fucked up a good breakaway before that when he lost control of the ball when we had men over. 

Thought that one was inexcusable. He had so many options available and 2 or 3 occasions when he could make the pass and he appeared to simply not be able to make a decision , and just ran into trouble.
I get a feeling Klopp's insistence that he was in his plans for next season was based on the fear they weren't going to qualify for the UCL and wouldn't be able to afford to replace him. Now they have I reckon they'll be happy to get shot of him, but from what I've seen so far one of the 3 promoted sides seems more his level. Wouldn't be happy keeping him.

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1 hour ago, Saint Garrett said:

For what though? He’s not better than Tella, Redmond, Djenepo, Armstrong and maybe Walcott (who we aren’t getting rid of this summer)

Given Armstrong is much more likely to play next season as a “10” rather than a third of it as a “6”, he’ll take one of those starting spots. You then have the rest fighting for the other “10” spot on the left.

The only reason I’d bring him back in on loan, is if it was really cheap, and we were selling Redmond and Djenepo and investing in a properly decent left sided player. 

Don't disagree.  Maybe Ralph doesn't think we can improve on the players with the budget we have.

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2 minutes ago, Nolan said:

If he came for £7.25m or less, buy him

If it was more than that, don't.

I think the option we're exploring is a loan for another season, which says to me we're even more skint than we thought we were.

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44 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

I think the option we're exploring is a loan for another season, which says to me we're even more skint than we thought we were.

Not necessarily.

It just means we see him as a punt. 

He came here when we were on the slide.

It means we're willing to take a punt on a clean season.
 

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On 25/05/2021 at 10:13, Saint_clark said:

I think the option we're exploring is a loan for another season, which says to me we're even more skint than we thought we were.

The £70m loan didn't give it away? 

I like the idea of a loan signing. The fella has talent, but we need to see it displayed more often in games and for him to dictate games before we give him a long term deal. Perhaps he's had enough chances, but having not seen him live, I'm gonna sit on the fence.

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3 hours ago, Chez said:

The £70m loan didn't give it away? 

I like the idea of a loan signing. The fella has talent, but we need to see it displayed more often in games and for him to dictate games before we give him a long term deal. Perhaps he's had enough chances, but having not seen him live, I'm gonna sit on the fence.

This is how I see. it Not fussed either way. Although I wouldn't want us to waste away our two domestic loan signings. Think they will be really important to us. Absolutely hope we do our homework to explore the loan market with the big six sides.

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I’d keep if the price was right and his motivation to play for us and succeed was strong. But in reality, he hasn’t shown he’s capable of succeeding in the Prem, and coming from Liverpool elevates his price for no good reason, so I doubt he’ll join us. 
 

One thing worth saying is any move, however cheap, should come after we’ve put serious money into priority positions such as a striker and fullbacks. If there’s money left, sure, sign him up. 

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If he'd put that early chance away in the West Ham game, I bet the feeling on here (not everyone, but quite a few) would have been completely different.......but the fact is, he didn't put it away. 

When you look at Willock and Lingard, those loans were brilliant (Willock probably saved Newcastle from going down......haha especially as Fulham were on such a dynamic run.......not!..... and Lingard's contribution probably got WHU into Europe). Unfortunately Min has had nowhere near the impact of those two. I saw moments of promise, but for me, not enough. But then, if he'd been as brilliant as Willock and Lingard, Liverpool would have taken him back or raised his price beyond our means......so I guess it's a "no win" situation. 

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Going to be controversial potentially here but I wouldn't be adverse to bringing Taki on under £10m. He is crap at pressing, lightweight, lacks concentration, and makes dreadful decisions. He also sometimes struggles to make an impact. On the other hand his finishing and pace are both very impressive. I think Ralph could build something out of him, with time. He won't be a world beater but players very rarely are at that price and if we seal a deal for ~£7m for example I actually don't think it will be that much of a waste of money. Let the manager do magic with him like he has JWP and Armstrong before him and see how he does.

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2 hours ago, TWar said:

Going to be controversial potentially here but I wouldn't be adverse to bringing Taki on under £10m. He is crap at pressing, lightweight, lacks concentration, and makes dreadful decisions. He also sometimes struggles to make an impact. On the other hand his finishing and pace are both very impressive. I think Ralph could build something out of him, with time. He won't be a world beater but players very rarely are at that price and if we seal a deal for ~£7m for example I actually don't think it will be that much of a waste of money. Let the manager do magic with him like he has JWP and Armstrong before him and see how he does.

 Not disagreeing, but no matter how low the price is for a player, its essential that they have the ability and/or potential to be a good player for us, otherwise they fill a shirt that could be filled by someone else. Low transfer fee mean less up front money, but wages and long term contracts mean it's no less risk. The same applies to free contracts.   

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If he's available at £10m or below, I would take him.  There is a player there.  Lost his way as a bit part player at Liverpool but as a regular starter I'm confident you would see improvements over time and I'd have him in the team over Redmond any day.

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3 hours ago, TWar said:

He is crap at pressing, lightweight, lacks concentration, and makes dreadful decisions. He also sometimes struggles to make an impact.

Agree with most of your post but pressing is the one thing he does well imo.

And it's the one thing that makes him worth a punt at those sort of price points. Just about.

Anything over £10m though is probably going beyond punt territory and it depends who else we have on our radar, which I suspect is next to nobody.

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