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12 hours ago, SKD said:

And a big old Boooooo when the cowards take the knee 👍🏻

Will the booing be for taking the knee or for the racist reason behind taking the knee ?

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16 minutes ago, M271 said:

Will the booing be for taking the knee or for the racist reason behind taking the knee ?

The boo will be for the Marxist intentions behind taking the knee, buddy. 

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10 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Would certainly explain SKD's views on Adams, Theo, Walcott, Bertrand....etc.

Care to explain...? 

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17 minutes ago, SKD said:

The boo will be for the Marxist intentions behind taking the knee, buddy. 

Wanting racism ended is Marxist now, is it?

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14 minutes ago, manzo said:

Wanting racism ended is Marxist now, is it?

That seems to be the standard response for people who don't want to reveal their real reasons for opposing Black Lives Matter....

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There were loud boos at the FA Cup final when the player's got down on their knees, they'll need to get used to it now fans are coming back, as much as SKY and their commentators want to lecture people about it plenty of  fans don't want to see it. 

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27 minutes ago, manzo said:

Wanting racism ended is Marxist now, is it?

 

12 minutes ago, supersonic said:

That seems to be the standard response for people who don't want to reveal their real reasons for opposing Black Lives Matter....

Plenty of black players refuse to take the knee. Are they racists as well?

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7 minutes ago, SKD said:

 

Plenty of black players refuse to take the knee. Are they racists as well?

Refusing to take the knee and booing it are very, very different things. 

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1 hour ago, SKD said:

The boo will be for the Marxist intentions behind taking the knee, buddy. 

Reading someone who's presumably not a fully gimped-out Trumpian trying to use the word 'Marxist' is hilarious. 

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1 hour ago, SKD said:

 

Plenty of black players refuse to take the knee. Are they racists as well?

Plenty of Chelsea fans didn’t want a black person to enter the train on Paris. Yeah they are racist.

I am sure our black players will love hearing you boo. 

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1 minute ago, whelk said:

Plenty of Chelsea fans didn’t want a black person to enter the train on Paris. Yeah they are racist.

I am sure our black players will love hearing you boo. 

How is booing something that has hard left wing links and blatant racism by not allowing a black man on a train, related in the slightest. 

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Just now, SKD said:

How is booing something that has hard left wing links and blatant racism by not allowing a black man on a train, related in the slightest. 

Presumably you haven’t seen the advert explaining it is not political? 
I don’t actual like having it but Millwall and Chelsea will boo it because it triggers racists.

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Just now, whelk said:

Presumably you haven’t seen the advert explaining it is not political? 
I don’t actual like having it but Millwall and Chelsea will boo it because it triggers racists.

Ahhhhh it’s on an advert, so it of course must be true. Silly me. 

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27 minutes ago, SKD said:

Ahhhhh it’s on an advert, so it of course must be true. Silly me. 

You go boo you great defender against Marxism. Go you

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2 hours ago, SKD said:

The boo will be for the Marxist intentions behind taking the knee, buddy. 

Taking of the knee is a sign of solidarity to protest against racial inequality. 

Not sure why you feel so offended by that?

Its also not Marxist, but you keep telling yourself that it is as a comfort....

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15 minutes ago, supersonic said:

Taking of the knee is a sign of solidarity to protest against racial inequality. 

Not sure why you feel so offended by that?

Its also not Marxist, but you keep telling yourself that it is as a comfort....

LOL!! Taking the knee is a sign of weakness and subservience, it’s also a ridiculous American fad bought here by woke wet behind the ears fuckwits. Read BLMs stated aims, they don’t align with ordinary western values. ‘Kick it out’ is a great campaign that we can all get behind, BLM is ugly marxist activism and has no place amongst ordinary western civilisation. 

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2 minutes ago, Dorchester Saint said:

LOL!! Taking the knee is a sign of weakness and subservience, it’s also a ridiculous American fad bought here by woke wet behind the ears fuckwits. Read BLMs stated aims, they don’t align with ordinary western values. ‘Kick it out’ is a great campaign that we can all get behind, BLM is ugly marxist activism and has no place amongst ordinary western civilisation. 

Isn't there somewhere else on this forum for discussions such as this ?   Happy for people to state their views, but this is the pre-match thread for a game tomorrow night. 

In team news, Romeu may be back on the bench and Bednarek has recovered from his heel injury so is also available.

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2 hours ago, Dorchester Saint said:

LOL!! Taking the knee is a sign of weakness and subservience, it’s also a ridiculous American fad bought here by woke wet behind the ears fuckwits. Read BLMs stated aims, they don’t align with ordinary western values. ‘Kick it out’ is a great campaign that we can all get behind, BLM is ugly marxist activism and has no place amongst ordinary western civilisation. 

Taking the knee is supported by No Room For Racism 👍

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What a shame, the return of the fans to the ground, is being overshadowed by "fans" wanting to boo players who want racial equality.

Anyway, would like to see Romeu on the bench, and Armstrong and JWP to continue. Bednarek on the bench too, the other 3 deserve to start again IMO.

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2 hours ago, Dorchester Saint said:

LOL!! Taking the knee is a sign of weakness and subservience, it’s also a ridiculous American fad bought here by woke wet behind the ears fuckwits. Read BLMs stated aims, they don’t align with ordinary western values. ‘Kick it out’ is a great campaign that we can all get behind, BLM is ugly marxist activism and has no place amongst ordinary western civilisation. 

You do realise that when Colin Kapernick began the practice of kneeling before a football match it had absolutely fuck all to do with any prescribed political organisations (BLM or otherwise) and was just his own way of protesting about racial inequality? 

Just because BLM chose to adopt it, doesn't mean that everyone who does it is showing support for that particular group. 

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5 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

What a shame, the return of the fans to the ground, is being overshadowed by "fans" wanting to boo players who want racial equality.

Anyway, would like to see Romeu on the bench, and Armstrong and JWP to continue. Bednarek on the bench too, the other 3 deserve to start again IMO.

Everyone wants to see racial equality, not everyone wants gestures linked to far left political movements.

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23 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

What a shame, the return of the fans to the ground, is being overshadowed by "fans" wanting to boo players who want racial equality.

Anyway, would like to see Romeu on the bench, and Armstrong and JWP to continue. Bednarek on the bench too, the other 3 deserve to start again IMO.

Don't confuse what is going on with what "the player's want", my mate saw a few of them in Waitrose the other day and congratulated them for taking a stance, allegedly Djenepo laughed and said don't be silly it's a load of woke corporate bullshit virtue signalling designed to make the Premier league look on message and tick some diversity boxes. 

Not my words mate, those of Moussa Djenepo.  

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7 minutes ago, JRM said:

Don't confuse what is going on with what "the player's want", my mate saw a few of them in Waitrose the other day and congratulated them for taking a stance, allegedly Djenepo laughed and said don't be silly it's a load of woke corporate bullshit virtue signalling designed to make the Premier league look on message and tick some diversity boxes. 

Not my words mate, those of Moussa Djenepo.  

If Moussa really said that then my opinion of him has risen immensely.

I thought at first it was great and there was a point to it, for instance Lewis Hamilton possibly irritated the corporate (expletive deleteds but it's onomatopoeic), and the later T shirt was priceless but now I agree with every word of the quote and it's getting embarrassing for all concerned.

Racism is a pernicious, insidious and disgusting; but it certainly won't be affected by a few overpaid sportsmen bending the kneead nauseum.

The only answer if any is education, imo. BTW I'm old enough to remember the sickening window signs, NO blacks, no Irish no dogs near my first job at KCH Camberwell.

17 minutes ago, JRM said:

Don't confuse what is going on with what "the player's want", my mate saw a few of them in Waitrose the other day and congratulated them for taking a stance, allegedly Djenepo laughed and said don't be silly it's a load of woke corporate bullshit virtue signalling designed to make the Premier league look on message and tick some diversity boxes. 

Not my words mate, those of Moussa Djenepo.  

 

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23 minutes ago, JRM said:

Don't confuse what is going on with what "the player's want", my mate saw a few of them in Waitrose the other day and congratulated them for taking a stance, allegedly Djenepo laughed and said don't be silly it's a load of woke corporate bullshit virtue signalling designed to make the Premier league look on message and tick some diversity boxes. 

Not my words mate, those of Moussa Djenepo.  

Earlier I suggested that we keep this topic to another place on the forum. People seemed to agree (8 likes so far), but some keep insisting on repeating their views ("my mate in Waitrose" is one of the sillier ones though 🙂 )  Please use the Lounge or a specific thread for exchanging opinions on this topic. It is ruining the run up to the game and the arguments are routine and really only tells us who reads The Daily Mail and who reads the Guardian. 

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43 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Everyone wants to see racial equality, not everyone wants gestures linked to far left political movements.

Bit weird to boo it though when clearly the players aren’t far left nutters but doing it to promote equality.

Personally I think it’s pointless virtue signalling that since the first couple of weeks where it got people talking about the issue, hasn’t achieved anything and the time has probably passed to build momentum to make any real change.

I’m not going to boo it though because the intention clearly isn’t to promote a far left ideology but (no matter how poorly) to draw attention to a racist culture that still exists in our society. 
 

Back to the main topic of the thread... Macca, Salisu, Tella and Djenepo to start and a 2-1 win.

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4 minutes ago, ChrisPY said:

clearly the players aren’t far left nutters but doing it to promote equality

Not that I’d support booing it but just to correct this point; the players aren’t doing it to support equality. They’re doing it because they’re afraid to not do it and end up being branded a racist.

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2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Not that I’d support booing it but just to correct this point; the players aren’t doing it to support equality. They’re doing it because they’re afraid to not do it and end up being branded a racist.

Fair point, agree with that in a lot of cases but the main idea of them not being far left nutters still stands and as you’ve said, not a reason to boo as no malice behind their reasoning.

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45 minutes ago, JRM said:

Don't confuse what is going on with what "the player's want", my mate saw a few of them in Waitrose the other day and congratulated them for taking a stance, allegedly Djenepo laughed and said don't be silly it's a load of woke corporate bullshit virtue signalling designed to make the Premier league look on message and tick some diversity boxes. 

Not my words mate, those of Moussa Djenepo.  

Moussa hardly speaks English so find that hard to believe, but whatever meets your agenda my friend.

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12 minutes ago, Streaky said:

Moussa hardly speaks English so find that hard to believe, but whatever meets your agenda my friend.

I heard he has a Tommy Robinson tattoo on his back

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1 hour ago, JRM said:

Don't confuse what is going on with what "the player's want", my mate saw a few of them in Waitrose the other day and congratulated them for taking a stance, allegedly Djenepo laughed and said don't be silly it's a load of woke corporate bullshit virtue signalling designed to make the Premier league look on message and tick some diversity boxes. 

Not my words mate, those of Moussa Djenepo.  

Early contender for post of the year.

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2 hours ago, Dorchester Saint said:

Not sure what that has to do in countering anything I’ve just said but whatever...🤷🏻‍♂️

Sorry for trying to bring facts into this, forgot you can't apply logic to a situation. 

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1 hour ago, JRM said:

Don't confuse what is going on with what "the player's want", my mate saw a few of them in Waitrose the other day and congratulated them for taking a stance, allegedly Djenepo laughed and said don't be silly it's a load of woke corporate bullshit virtue signalling designed to make the Premier league look on message and tick some diversity boxes. 

Not my words mate, those of Moussa Djenepo.  

That's utter bullshit if ever I've seen it.

 

Now making stuff up about players to defend your bigottry. What a loser.

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55 minutes ago, Streaky said:

Moussa hardly speaks English so find that hard to believe, but whatever meets your agenda my friend.

It's Waitrose - there's a better class of customer; they probably chatted in French

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If you don't like it why not just ignore it? It's what, 5 seconds out of your day?

It will probably stop at the end of the season anyway regardless of whether people boo or not. 

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2 hours ago, JRM said:

Don't confuse what is going on with what "the player's want", my mate saw a few of them in Waitrose the other day and congratulated them for taking a stance, allegedly Djenepo laughed and said don't be silly it's a load of woke corporate bullshit virtue signalling designed to make the Premier league look on message and tick some diversity boxes. 

Not my words mate, those of Moussa Djenepo.  

Your mate forgot to mention the detail where everyone in the supermarket stopped and applauded. Without including a key line like that, many are likely to believe it never happened.

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Whether you like it or not and whether the players think it's doing any good whatsoever if you've spent this long watching matches from home thinking that as soon as you get back to a game you're going to boo something that inconveniences nobody at all you've seriously got to question your life choices. It's 8 seconds. 

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3 hours ago, Saint Garrett said:

What a shame, the return of the fans to the ground, is being overshadowed by "fans" wanting to boo players who want racial equality.

Anyway, would like to see Romeu on the bench, and Armstrong and JWP to continue. Bednarek on the bench too, the other 3 deserve to start again IMO.

That’s not why they’re booing and no amount of lefty wokery will change that. We had ‘Kick it out’ in football, we have ‘No room for racism’ these are honest, non political initiatives which everyone can get behind!!

BLM have caused huge division across the country and driven race relations backwards with their vile hate preaching and threats. Taking the knee directly relates to that unsavoury marxist movement, not to mention the constant references to BLM by Sky Sports via visual on screen graphics and word of mouth from commentators....that kind of sticks in the craw of the average working person who just wants to escape politics and watch the football. 

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2 hours ago, Dorchester Saint said:

That’s not why they’re booing and no amount of lefty wokery will change that. We had ‘Kick it out’ in football, we have ‘No room for racism’ these are honest, non political initiatives which everyone can get behind!!

BLM have caused huge division across the country and driven race relations backwards with their vile hate preaching and threats. Taking the knee directly relates to that unsavoury marxist movement, not to mention the constant references to BLM by Sky Sports via visual on screen graphics and word of mouth from commentators....that kind of sticks in the craw of the average working person who just wants to escape politics and watch the football. 

Out of interest would you have fully supported a different physical gesture, but are just against the specific action of taking the knee?

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10 hours ago, supersonic said:

Taking of the knee is a sign of solidarity to protest against racial inequality. 

Not sure why you feel so offended by that?

Its also not Marxist, but you keep telling yourself that it is as a comfort....

Look, I know they're not doing it to show they are Marxists. But if they want to show solidarity against racism why not line up as one, players from each team mingling, behind a banner displaying anti racist messages or Kick it Out? If a group tried to adopt a salute of one arm raised in the air with an open palm but claimed it wasnt anything to do with supporting Nazism, there would still be negative connotations that meant a lot of people couldn't get behind the gesture. 

You can't just take a symbol and decide it means something completely different than it already does. 

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28 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Out of interest would you have fully supported a different physical gesture, but are just against the specific action of taking the knee?

Yes, as I say in my lost above, a joint gesture like lining up together behind an anti racism banner would no doubt draw unanimous applause from crowds.

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I think the most impartial explanation I can think of as to why the whole BLM issue is so divisive is this:

 

Supposing we flipped it from being a predominantly left wing movement to a right wing one; A bunch of white guys set up a movement called, ‘No more paedos’ and begin actively promoting it. Slowly it gathers public support, they set up a website which casually includes a ‘Brexit means Brexit’ logo. It starts getting celebrity support... Trump, Farage, Morgan, Hopkins, Robinson... all the usual favourites. Trump suggests building another camp where they can lock up Mexican paedos trying to cross the border. Farage suggests that over 10,000 have come in legally from the EU. Hopkins advocates sending all those ‘brown’ paedos back to the country they came from. All lovely stuff, with exactly the same arguments and counter arguments. "Just because we’re taking a knee for NMP doesn’t mean we support Trump," "people keep saying we’re fascist but they’re too thick to even know what that means," "we’re supporting the message of NMP, not the organisation NMP, FFS!"
 

Clearly, if you’re of any kind of liberal persuasion you aren’t going to support ‘NMP’ but does that mean you think it’s okay to abuse children? Of course not. I think that’s the crux of the matter; you can’t simply label yourself as something and then demand public support. Not when factions of your movement, under banners bearing the exact same acronym, are displaying such undesirable, sometimes extremist, attitudes.

 

The Premier League would have been so much better of just sticking to ‘Kick it Out’, IMO.

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32 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Look, I know they're not doing it to show they are Marxists. But if they want to show solidarity against racism why not line up as one, players from each team mingling, behind a banner displaying anti racist messages or Kick it Out? If a group tried to adopt a salute of one arm raised in the air with an open palm but claimed it wasnt anything to do with supporting Nazism, there would still be negative connotations that meant a lot of people couldn't get behind the gesture. 

You can't just take a symbol and decide it means something completely different than it already does. 

No-one is taking it to mean anything other than what it does, except the 'lovers-of-the-word-woke' brigade! Taking the knee has always been a symbol of protest against racism started by black sportsmen in the USA, with no agenda except to challenge racism. Within football in the UK it is linked with the 'No Room For Racism' and 'Kick It Out' campaigns and has absolutely nothing to do with Black Lives Matter (if that is what concerns anyone!).

As for those who claim that footballers are only taking part because they feel forced to do so, I can accept that that may be the case for some, but there are plenty for whom the action remains an active demonstration of opposition against racism. As a demonstration of this look out for the fact that a number of footballers do not just kneel, but raise their arms in protest too.

The problem is that too many of you criticise the actions taken to protest racism and then argue that you are not racist, but are protesting becuse it is 'ineffective'. If you are so concerned that the protest is ineffective then can I suggest that instead of criticising the protest, why don't you come up with something more effective? Until you do, your claims to be anti-racist are hollow and meaningless.

I think one of the big problems, as in so many of the issues within football, is that the fans are not involved. So, I want to suggest something completely different than just abandoning the protest and going back to things as they were before... I want to suggest that those of us fans who do, genuinely, want to see racism kicked out of not just football but society as a whole, why don't we join in the protests as well?! I believe that if fans take the knee too, just as fans protested against the actions of the big 6 over the Super League, so the game will be forced to listen and to act.

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7 hours ago, SaintJackoInHurworth said:

No-one is taking it to mean anything other than what it does, except the 'lovers-of-the-word-woke' brigade! Taking the knee has always been a symbol of protest against racism started by black sportsmen in the USA, with no agenda except to challenge racism. Within football in the UK it is linked with the 'No Room For Racism' and 'Kick It Out' campaigns and has absolutely nothing to do with Black Lives Matter (if that is what concerns anyone!).

As for those who claim that footballers are only taking part because they feel forced to do so, I can accept that that may be the case for some, but there are plenty for whom the action remains an active demonstration of opposition against racism. As a demonstration of this look out for the fact that a number of footballers do not just kneel, but raise their arms in protest too.

The problem is that too many of you criticise the actions taken to protest racism and then argue that you are not racist, but are protesting becuse it is 'ineffective'. If you are so concerned that the protest is ineffective then can I suggest that instead of criticising the protest, why don't you come up with something more effective? Until you do, your claims to be anti-racist are hollow and meaningless.

I think one of the big problems, as in so many of the issues within football, is that the fans are not involved. So, I want to suggest something completely different than just abandoning the protest and going back to things as they were before... I want to suggest that those of us fans who do, genuinely, want to see racism kicked out of not just football but society as a whole, why don't we join in the protests as well?! I believe that if fans take the knee too, just as fans protested against the actions of the big 6 over the Super League, so the game will be forced to listen and to act.

I think you should lead things pal. Get down on that knee in the stands with your fist in the air. Be the change you want to see. 

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7 hours ago, SaintJackoInHurworth said:

No-one is taking it to mean anything other than what it does, except the 'lovers-of-the-word-woke' brigade! Taking the knee has always been a symbol of protest against racism started by black sportsmen in the USA, with no agenda except to challenge racism. Within football in the UK it is linked with the 'No Room For Racism' and 'Kick It Out' campaigns and has absolutely nothing to do with Black Lives Matter (if that is what concerns anyone!).

As for those who claim that footballers are only taking part because they feel forced to do so, I can accept that that may be the case for some, but there are plenty for whom the action remains an active demonstration of opposition against racism. As a demonstration of this look out for the fact that a number of footballers do not just kneel, but raise their arms in protest too.

The problem is that too many of you criticise the actions taken to protest racism and then argue that you are not racist, but are protesting becuse it is 'ineffective'. If you are so concerned that the protest is ineffective then can I suggest that instead of criticising the protest, why don't you come up with something more effective? Until you do, your claims to be anti-racist are hollow and meaningless.

I think one of the big problems, as in so many of the issues within football, is that the fans are not involved. So, I want to suggest something completely different than just abandoning the protest and going back to things as they were before... I want to suggest that those of us fans who do, genuinely, want to see racism kicked out of not just football but society as a whole, why don't we join in the protests as well?! I believe that if fans take the knee too, just as fans protested against the actions of the big 6 over the Super League, so the game will be forced to listen and to act.

I DID suggest something more effective, that would be supported by all fans regardless of political leaning. You cannot unlink the symbol of taking the knee from the BLM movement, however much you want to. 

 

In all honesty I hate it happening in relation to football also because I don't believe racism is as prevalent in football as they try to make out, and I don't accept morons on twitter as evidence of an epidemic of racists as every player, politician, person in the spotlight will get abuse that's targeted at them. Football has actually been well ahead of the curve in terms of accepting people of all races, but if you have any event that gathers millions of people together every weekend (obviously in normal times) then there are going to be a few racists. 

If the aim is to eradicate racism from society altogether then to that I say good luck but I won't be wasting any time or effort, as without brainwashing of children freedom of thought will always lead to those who are filled with hate and prejudice.

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15 hours ago, WALK DMC said:

Earlier I suggested that we keep this topic to another place on the forum. People seemed to agree (8 likes so far), but some keep insisting on repeating their views ("my mate in Waitrose" is one of the sillier ones though 🙂 )  Please use the Lounge or a specific thread for exchanging opinions on this topic. It is ruining the run up to the game and the arguments are routine and really only tells us who reads The Daily Mail and who reads the Guardian. 

I actually agree with you and was one of your likes 👍

Much preferred the days when football was an escape from all this nonsense,  standing side by side with your fellow Saints fan unified in support of the team without interference of politics. 

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