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9 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

I suppose that 'market forces' will determine whether it was a good idea or not ?

Given that there are only 570 seats affected then my guess is that they will all sell out without problem..

I do feel for those who are offered lesser alternatives though !

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1 minute ago, eurosaint said:

I suppose that 'market forces' will determine whether it was a good idea or not ?

Given that there are only 570 seats affected then my guess is that they will all sell out without problem..

I do feel for those who are offered lesser alternatives though !

Sadly they probably will as they will court rich new fans to take them up. Don’t worry about the ones that have been there for years through all the bad times. 

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3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

“Improved experience” you can watch the same shite from a slightly nicer seat. What a deal!

Our home form wasn't the problem last season. We actually did pretty well at home. 10th best record in the league, +3 GD in the home games and only 6 points away from having the 3rd best home record.

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8 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Our home form wasn't the problem last season. We actually did pretty well at home. 10th best record in the league, +3 GD in the home games and only 6 points away from having the 3rd best home record.

Can you think of anything that was different playing at home last season compared to others and in turn what it is likely to be next season compared to last? 

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13 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

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I never intended to imply that any of it was secret, but perhaps the reason that he felt able to have such a discussion with me was because he felt that I was a model of discretion? He had done his research before calling and knew my background which meant that we were able to discuss the business reasons behind this plan freely and openly.

So here’s my take on it. These views are mine alone and I wouldn’t want to misrepresent anybody.

The club wants to make more money out of match day attendance and they consider that we have one of the lowest pricing structures in the Premier League. The central Kingsland is viewed as a premium location that is in high demand and they feel that it should be generating more income. That then raises the question of where that extra money is going to come from.

When you strip it down this move is nothing other than a monster price hike dressed up with a bit of padding. So who is going to buy into it? Are the present occupants going to grimace and bear it, in which case they have succeeded in their heist, or are we all going to shuffle along and see these seats gobbled up by supporters from elsewhere in the stadium? In principle these seats can only be occupied by Saints supporters but are there several hundred out there who are so desperate that they are willing to pay a thousand pounds a year to watch what is on offer?

It was clear from our chat that Mr. AC-J does understand the history and background of a club such as ours and understands my sentiments but my response was to quote Sir Humphrey Appleby and say, “Very brave”. 

The point is that if you consider that you are sitting in the best position in the stadium then any move elsewhere is a downgrade. Having moved from that position there is then no incentive to hang onto your Season Ticket from one year to the next. Friendships that have been built over decades have be trashed and if you let your ticket go you can always get always get another one some other time. Maybe.

I feel that the club have concentrated on comparing Southampton FC with other Premier League clubs and have not considered how what they offer compares with other demands on our wallets. £2000 a year for two tickets would go quite some way elsewhere. You could get a fortnight’s all-inclusive cruise for that. Maybe membership of a golf club but I wouldn’t know. I’m not old enough to play golf ;)

I can understand the drive to get more revenue but there’s only so much juice you can squeeze out of a lemon.

Out of interest did you ask him anything about how he perceived this type of business model working with the very real possibility that Southampton Football Club doesnt exist in the premier league?

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1 minute ago, kelkel31 said:

Out of interest did you ask him anything about how he perceived this type of business model working with the very real possibility that Southampton Football Club doesnt exist in the premier league?

Paying more for better views isn't a strange 'business model'.

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11 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Paying more for better views isn't a strange 'business model'.

It might not be a strange business model but the timing is absolutely crazy and the fact they don’t give a shit about the supporters who have sat there for 20 years in many cases makes it a very poor PR exercise from the club. On the back of the second half of the season’s performances it’s also arrogance or denial, I’m not sure which.

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8 minutes ago, kelkel31 said:

Out of interest did you ask him anything about how he perceived this type of business model working with the very real possibility that Southampton Football Club doesnt exist in the premier league?

Although our attendances were still very good in the lower leagues compared to most around us the corporate areas were mostly desolate.

St Mary’s looked sparsely populated on TV back then as the Itchen (and away section) were often barely half full, if little changes next season and we drop there’s going to be another big gap welcoming the players onto the pitch opposite the tunnel.

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8 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Paying more for better views isn't a strange 'business model'.

In this case, we have been paying more for a better view for years, and like Whitey, I had paid full price, firstly for my son, then for my granddaughter as there were no concessions in this block.   The bigger point here is that this block contained a substantial proportion of “customers” who held tickets for 20 years or more.  After 10 years we were promised a bonus for staying loyal, that never happened.  Now the club wants to reward us with very expensive padded seats.

The reality is, as Whitey said previously, a lot of groups who have sat together for many years, paying the top price in that stand, for a good view, will be split up.

I personally think that is a poor way to reward such loyalty, and the fact that the plan was executed without first consulting the affected fans possibly tells you all you need to know about what the club thinks.

Just as a matter of comparison, I moved into that block when my seats in the corners were closed.  The club offered to relocate me anywhere I chose at the same price for that season.  The club seems to be going backwards in fan relations, to the extent that being a fan is not a consideration.  We are merely numbered customers.

Very sad.

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26 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Paying more for better views isn't a strange 'business model'.

God your ignorant aren't you. Who do you think will pay for it in the championship, league 1, probably struggle every game in the Premier league.

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7 minutes ago, kelkel31 said:

God your ignorant aren't you. Who do you think will pay for it in the championship, league 1, probably struggle every game in the Premier league.

I'm puzzled why you appear to  think ticket prices in the Championship or League One would be the same as in the Premier League?

If we were relegated the prices would drop proportionally across the stadium relative to their current levels. With block 31 remaining among the highest in the stadium but significantly lower than they will be next season.

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3 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Paying more for better views isn't a strange 'business model'.

The prices there were already higher to reflect that. Sometimes your absolute refusal to find fault in what the club does is outright embarrassing.

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3 hours ago, kelkel31 said:

Out of interest did you ask him anything about how he perceived this type of business model working with the very real possibility that Southampton Football Club doesnt exist in the premier league?

Not yet, no. It’s an obvious concern though and must surely have been factored into the gamble. Surely?

If we were relegated they would obviously have to consider lower prices for the Championship. That might mean removing the padding so let’s hope they keep hold of the old seats ;)

In such circumstances it would be an interesting ‘sell’ trying to get their previous customers to come back. But then what would happen if, heaven forbid, we were immediately promoted back again?

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I'm always intrigued by the response 'the club treat us like customers rather than fans. Surely the difference is that fans will do arguably irrational things because of devotion whereas customers will shop around to get the best deal possible. By adding padded seats and offering them to existing occupants they are treating them as fans, but with the opportunity to be a customer by moving elsewhere at a cheaper price.

Not saying its not inconvenient or distressing. I've been there as I used to have a season ticket in the centre Kingsland but moved a couple of blocks across when it became a premium price location.

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The simple answer is don't be suckers, don't get mugged!

Getting hooked up yearning for a seat that you have sat in for umpteen years is a mugs game and one that inevitably you will lose sooner or later as prices soar. Scraping together the extra money to secure it today will not guarantee you anything next year. As others have said the football won't be any better so if you have to move to another block to watch it and to stay within your budget so be it. Even better just stick two fingers up at them and walk away, There will be nothing going on there that you will miss for long.

Fact is post Covid with social distancing and reduced attendances all seats will eventually become more expensive just to generate the income to keep he club running. What I am puzzled about is that these simple economics will apply to planes, cruise ships, trains and everything in future so why does the club think it necessary to dress it up as "an improved experience" and by sticking padding on a few seats? 

Lots of people wanted to fly on Concorde but never did as they couldn't afford it. Lots of people wanted to dine at The Ivy but never did as they couldn't afford it. The rich have always had first dibs at the best of everything and always will. Get used to the idea that for most of us, more and more affordable pleasures that we have always taken for granted will become less and less affordable. Premier league football is no exception to this paradigm. The fact that club football's origins lay in working class communities has become irrelevant, only money matters now; those who can pay will always win! 

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3 hours ago, Alanh said:

I'm always intrigued by the response 'the club treat us like customers rather than fans. Surely the difference is that fans will do arguably irrational things because of devotion whereas customers will shop around to get the best deal possible. By adding padded seats and offering them to existing occupants they are treating them as fans, but with the opportunity to be a customer by moving elsewhere at a cheaper price.

Not saying its not inconvenient or distressing. I've been there as I used to have a season ticket in the centre Kingsland but moved a couple of blocks across when it became a premium price location.

Spot on. 
 

I’ve always taken the view that the club couldn’t give a shiny shite about me, that way I’m  never disappointed with anything they do. They really only care about selling my seat each week, so have only ever done the bare minimum to drive any loyalty (as they don’t need to). People look back to a time that never really existed, kidding themselves that the club cared about them once. They didn’t then , and they don’t now.  

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31 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Spot on. 
 

I’ve always taken the view that the club couldn’t give a shiny shite about me, that way I’m  never disappointed with anything they do. They really only care about selling my seat each week, so have only ever done the bare minimum to drive any loyalty (as they don’t need to). People look back to a time that never really existed, kidding themselves that the club cared about them once. They didn’t then , and they don’t now.  

Yawn ... it’s the weekend- chill out, have a beer and move on 

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4 hours ago, Alanh said:

I'm always intrigued by the response 'the club treat us like customers rather than fans. Surely the difference is that fans will do arguably irrational things because of devotion whereas customers will shop around to get the best deal possible. By adding padded seats and offering them to existing occupants they are treating them as fans, but with the opportunity to be a customer by moving elsewhere at a cheaper price.

Not saying its not inconvenient or distressing. I've been there as I used to have a season ticket in the centre Kingsland but moved a couple of blocks across when it became a premium price location.

The difference between a customer and a fan is simple.  As a customer, if I get poor service I go to another outlet.  As a fan, I am not going to go to the next nearest club in the PL, Championship, or League 1.  The vote will likely be that I will not renew at all.  A loss for me, more than for the club.  It was the failure to understand the distinction between fans and customers that the owners of the clubs who were going to go off to the super league failed to grasp.  Southampton FC were against that proposal, but in the way they have treated a section of fans, they have failed to understand that they themselves are showing the same disdain for fans, by treating them as customers, and treating them poorly.

The club has severed their relationship with 500 already high paying fans, and severed the relationships that those fans had with each other in a number of cases.  
 

as I said before, very sad.

 

 

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8 hours ago, kelkel31 said:

Out of interest did you ask him anything about how he perceived this type of business model working with the very real possibility that Southampton Football Club doesnt exist in the premier league?

I think it’s appalling timing if nothing else.  Complete Shyte  football and all that’s been going on in the world. I guess it will pay for a rise to players like Redmond though. They need more ££££ on their millions. Football has truly lost the plot. 
 

might be called Southampton FC but has nothing to do with the club I started supporting in 67. Wake up Saints 

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I wonder if then padded cushions will be glued to the seat.

If not then after our 5th consecutive home defeat into the new season on a wet Friday night, the already disgruntled occupants of Block 31 will be using their cushions to litter the pitch as a way of showing dissatisfaction!!!

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It’s terrible timing.

It’s also a weird price point.

I have season tickets in the Channon suite/Saints bar. They are £1,600 a pop. A pricey, luxury item for sure.

But in addition to the coveted padded seat on the halfway line, you get 3 free drinks a game, a reasonably adequate lunch, a free programme and access to the lounge 2 hours before and after the match, interviews with ex-players, lots of screens showing Sky/BT Sports (and the early/late kick off matches). No real queues for the toilets - and for smokers you can pop out for a smoke at any time.

Appreciate that it’s not an option for everyone and the atmosphere is pretty dire in that part of the stadium, but if people are tempted to buy a very expensive season ticket, that seems a way better deal than £1,000 to just get a cushion.

 

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46 minutes ago, SaintBobby said:

It’s terrible timing.

It’s also a weird price point.

I have season tickets in the Channon suite/Saints bar. They are £1,600 a pop. A pricey, luxury item for sure.

But in addition to the coveted padded seat on the halfway line, you get 3 free drinks a game, a reasonably adequate lunch, a free programme and access to the lounge 2 hours before and after the match, interviews with ex-players, lots of screens showing Sky/BT Sports (and the early/late kick off matches). No real queues for the toilets - and for smokers you can pop out for a smoke at any time.

Appreciate that it’s not an option for everyone and the atmosphere is pretty dire in that part of the stadium, but if people are tempted to buy a very expensive season ticket, that seems a way better deal than £1,000 to just get a cushion.

 

It’d hold on to your hat if I were you............. I expect your rise is right behind this one!!

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3 minutes ago, bangkoksaint said:

It’d hold on to your hat if I were you............. I expect your rise is right behind this one!!

Possibly. Although they've failed to sell out the Saints bar allocation in the last few seasons.

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1 hour ago, SaintBobby said:

Possibly. Although they've failed to sell out the Saints bar allocation in the last few seasons.

Didn't this tell them anything about the local market for premium football seats?

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1 hour ago, suewhistle said:

Didn't this tell them anything about the local market for premium football seats?

Maybe. Although I guess they haven’t sold out of general season tickets either.

I was pretty pleased when they brought in the Saints bar option. I was willing to pay a lot more than c£600 for a season ticket but not £3,000 per seat in a box.

That said, I’m sceptical that I’d be up for paying £200 or £300 each season just for a cushioned seat.

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It will be intresting to see how they price the 500 odd seats in block 31 on a match per match basis.

I can see them selling a large chunk at £65 odd for the likes of liverpool, Man U but cant see them having many takers for £50 for the lkes of Burnley, or Palace. 

How much extra the club are going get is questionable over a season .

 

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On 29/05/2021 at 09:58, Matthew Le God said:

Paying more for better views isn't a strange 'business model'.

That's true of course, but we have already been paying more for these views ever since we moved to St Mary's

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On 29/05/2021 at 10:32, Matthew Le God said:

I'm puzzled why you appear to  think ticket prices in the Championship or League One would be the same as in the Premier League?

If we were relegated the prices would drop proportionally across the stadium relative to their current levels. With block 31 remaining among the highest in the stadium but significantly lower than they will be next season.

That go me thinking so I looked back over my payment history and I found these figures. I think they're correct. Some seasons benefit from a concession rate for old gits but this came and went.

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The Dell - Upper East Stand Centre - Front Rows  
         
Premier League 1993 1994 £248.00  
Premier League 1994 1995 £286.00  
Premier League 1995 1996 £292.00  
Premier League 1996 1997 £306.00  
Premier League 1997 1998 £340.00  
Premier League 1998 1999 £374.00  
Premier League 1999 2000 £425.00  
Premier League 2000 2001 £889.00  Two seasons
         
St Mary's - Kingsland Centre Row 'O'    
         
Premier League 2001 2002 (paid)  
Premier League 2002 2003 £486.00  
Premier League 2003 2004 £476.00  
Premier League 2004 2005 £521.00  
         
Championship 2005 2006 £521.00  
Championship 2006 2007 £493.00  
Championship 2007 2008 £420.00  
Championship 2008 2009 £420.00  
         
League 1 2009 2010 £261.00  
League 1 2010 2011 £300.00  
         
Championship 2011 2012 £515.00  
         
  2012 2013 £676.50  
Premier League 2013 2014 £709.00  
Premier League 2014 2015 £737.00  
Premier League 2015 2016 £737.00  
Premier League 2016 2017 £737.00  
Premier League 2017 2018 £738.00  
Premier League 2018 2019 £660.00  
Premier League 2019 2020 £661.25  
Premier League 2020 2021          "  
Premier League 2021 2022 £929.00  
         
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12 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

That go me thinking so I looked back over my payment history and I found these figures. I think they're correct. Some seasons benefit from a concession rate for old gits but this came and went.

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The Dell - Upper East Stand Centre - Front Rows  
         
Premier League 1993 1994 £248.00  
Premier League 1994 1995 £286.00  
Premier League 1995 1996 £292.00  
Premier League 1996 1997 £306.00  
Premier League 1997 1998 £340.00  
Premier League 1998 1999 £374.00  
Premier League 1999 2000 £425.00  
Premier League 2000 2001 £889.00  Two seasons
         
St Mary's - Kingsland Centre Row 'O'    
         
Premier League 2001 2002 (paid)  
Premier League 2002 2003 £486.00  
Premier League 2003 2004 £476.00  
Premier League 2004 2005 £521.00  
         
Championship 2005 2006 £521.00  
Championship 2006 2007 £493.00  
Championship 2007 2008 £420.00  
Championship 2008 2009 £420.00  
         
League 1 2009 2010 £261.00  
League 1 2010 2011 £300.00  
         
Championship 2011 2012 £515.00  
         
  2012 2013 £676.50  
Premier League 2013 2014 £709.00  
Premier League 2014 2015 £737.00  
Premier League 2015 2016 £737.00  
Premier League 2016 2017 £737.00  
Premier League 2017 2018 £738.00  
Premier League 2018 2019 £660.00  
Premier League 2019 2020 £661.25  
Premier League 2020 2021          "  
Premier League 2021 2022 £929.00  
         

This looks pretty reasonable to me over the long-term. With the exception of the recent absurd hike for a cushion...

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7 hours ago, London Saint 82 said:

So what we learnt is Karen got some cheap seats in the expensive block ... Karen isn’t happy ... she lives in Winchester ... it’s a nice place to live 

They aren’t cheap. Only someone with lots of money would call them cheap.

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On 03/06/2021 at 00:11, London Saint 82 said:

So what we learnt is Karen got some cheap seats in the expensive block ... Karen isn’t happy ... she lives in Winchester ... it’s a nice place to live 

It is the most expensive block and for a long time there were no Consessions there unlike the rest of the ground. I have had my seat there since the stadium opened and have made friendships with the people around us. I am now being asked to pay another £350 to keep it. So what we really learn is that you can sit and make "clever" snarky comments without really understanding or caring about the situation.

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9 minutes ago, Saints foreva said:

£89 to sit here for the United game. 🤣

Plenty of seats available in this block. 

Mad isn't it. £89 for a padded seat and halfway line view or £30 to watch the exact same match in the Itchen / Chapel courner. 

 

 

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On 02/06/2021 at 11:11, the saint in winchester said:

LOL, a 'Karen' from Winchester. The club will back down now Karen has spoken.

People seem to think of they can shoe horn discriminatory into their complaint somehow it’ll scare companies into changing their minds. 

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4 hours ago, Saints foreva said:

£89 to sit here for the United game. 🤣

Plenty of seats available in this block. 

Someone should tell the club that winning and entertaining football will put bums on seats and not extra padding. Unless we start well, my guess is attendances will be the lowest for some time, this season. 

Can’t solely blame the club on this though, they’re just effectively copying the market. The premier league is becoming a joke, they’re all for the fans when they need their support to oppose the Super League, but couldn’t give a shit when it’s to line their pockets. 

given we’ve absolutely no chance of winning any silverware, getting into Europe any time soon, the sooner we get relegated and cleanse our support of the American/Chinese/modern fan market, the better in my opinion.  
 

 

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