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21 minutes ago, The Cat said:

 

We desperately need Stuart Armstrong back to link play together and provide some drive in the final third.

Now could be the time to start pushing Livramento forward in training 

 

Actually, now you mention it, on the occasions that Livramento drives forward he does remind me of Stuart Armstrong a tad. So, good call I reckon, especially if SA is destined to be out long term.

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1 minute ago, OttawaSaint said:

If Stu is out for a few more weeks I’d like to see something like this with JWP playing the Stu role. 

KWP Bednarek Salisu Perraud

Diallo Romeu

Tino JWP Tella

Adams/AA

Although I'd rather see KWP at LB then Perraud, carrying on with what isn't working can't continue. Personally, I like that formation and in the absence of S Armstrong, playing JWP a bit higher up makes sense. No chance we'll see it though. 

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Just back.  

First of all Jimenez.  Got little service but still looked dangerous.  I thought we might have had someone dedicated to keep on top of him but he seemed to be waltzing around unmarked in our box too often.  As for the goal, I was far away but could clearly see a handful of Jan's shirt in Himenez hand and possibly a kick too.  Was still disappointed that Jan got done.  I feel if Salisu had been in front of Himenez he wouldn't have got to our goal, no matter how much of his shirt he pulled.  

Mc Carthy 6/10 - Saved our embarrassment by saving a shot within the first minute or so.  Dodgy distribution.

Salisu 8/10 (MOTM) - Takes a lot of the player when dispossessing but his timing was good today and I'm not sure he committed a single foul.  Defensively solid.  Generally knocked it forward well and created a few opportunities from our half.  Also looked like the only one with a half chance of getting his head to anything in Wolves box in the second half when pushing forward.  

Bednarek 6/10 - Will need to see the goal again to see if there was a mistake there.  Otherwise reasonable overall.  Stephens alongside Salisu edges it for me ATM.  

Tino - 8/10 - One of the few on the park that wants to get past whoever's in front of him.  Would have got MOTM but felt he was lagging in the second half.    

KWP - 7/10  - Decent but not as creative going forward as we're used to, perhaps the left doesn't suit him.  Didn't link up well with Redmond but doubt that's entirely due to KWP.  

Redmond - 5/10 - Not the player he used to be.  When he did get the ball he rarely used it well.  Lacks confidence and ability at the mo.  

Elyounoussi 6/10 - Marginally better than Redmond.  Nearly a good player at this level.  Has strength and some creative ability and doesn't mind a shot.  Needs to pass better and want the ball more.  

Romeu/JWP - 6/10 - When going forward Romeu sits deep in the CB position far too much for me.  Where's the outlet from there?  Infront of Romeu, Prowse isn't strong or creative enough to make much happen at the best of times and left isolated in the middle is an obvious weakness going forward.  Salisu needs to be the man stepping out of defence, not Romeu.   So much for the "No more Mr Nice Guy" JWP...he was soft today.  Too safe and pedestrian (for a player that apparently runs more than the rest of them).  Needs a kick up the arse.  Diallo alongside Romeu for Chelsea please.

Adams - 7/10 - If only he could shoot.  Pressed better than anyone else, holds it up, passes well, gets into the best positions.  Two great chances not taken.  

Armstrong - 7/10 - Another 'nearly man' today.  Did well.  

Subs - Djenepo frustrating to watch.  All that energy and all those stepovers for nothing.  Broja - Liked his aggression but felt he was a downgrade on Adams today.  Long - Rubbish - absurd substitution.  Was something wrong with Tella today?  

  

 

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Just now, egg said:

Although I'd rather see KWP at LB then Perraud, carrying on with what isn't working can't continue. Personally, I like that formation and in the absence of S Armstrong, playing JWP a bit higher up makes sense. No chance we'll see it though. 

True enough. I feel JWP’s game has gone a bit stale back there with Romeu. Further up he’d be inclined to pick a pass or get on the end of something.

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2 minutes ago, OttawaSaint said:

True enough. I feel JWP’s game has gone a bit stale back there with Romeu. Further up he’d be inclined to pick a pass or get on the end of something.

Yep, we're not creating enough and JWP might just give us that spark a little higher up. 

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31 minutes ago, Winnersaint said:

Here we go again defeat at home to a relative bogey team and the sky caves in. Ralph, get rid. Redmond the perennial scapegoat. Tactics wrong, subs nonsensical. Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat. Shit happens. Dust yourself down it’s only Stamford Bridge next week.  Yes I did watch on Sky.

 

30 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Trouble is the cycle has been going on for well over a year now. 

 

29 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Shit is the norm, it doesn’t just “happen”. 5 wins in 2021

If it's about the 'bigger picture' rather than individual games, then why do people only jump on the 'Ralph Out' thread after a defeat? Why not the same clamour after last week's game? It's either about the bigger picture, or it isn't.

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Having been greatly encouraged so far this season by picking up points in matches that we lost last season, this feels like a big disappointment and to an extent quite a worrying performance.  By the latter I mean that the fears pre season that, while the squad has been improved, the first eleven has not, appeared vindicated.  Above all else, while we look fairly solid defensively the great concern is “where are the goals coming from”?

 

While being a firm fan of KWP, in a winnable home match it was a mistake not to play Perraud who is more capable of getting outside of an opponent and whipping in a dangerous left footed cross.  It was also a mystery to me why Tella, who I thought looked dangerous midweek, was left on the bench at the expense of Long.

 

Am concerned that Adams looks well short of confidence.  JWP clearly not fully fit which Ralph has confirmed is due to stomach condition.  All in all I suspect Ralph will have a few sleepless nights this week.

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1 minute ago, trousers said:

 

 

If it's about the 'bigger picture' rather than individual games, then why do people only jump on the 'Ralph Out' thread after a defeat? Why not the same clamour after last week's game? It's either about the bigger picture, or it isn't.

I get what you are saying and in reality it shouldn't be like this, however, we have had half decent performances and grabbed points on the road in the past, and then followed them up with really inept displays at home. Certain players shouldn't be anywhere near the starting eleven and it's this that creates the negativity. Am not a huge fan of Djenpo, but he did more coming off the bench than Redmond, even if his end product is lacking. Would rather him create confusion then see Redmond doing the same thing over and over again. 

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4 minutes ago, Forester said:

Am concerned that Adams looks well short of confidence.  JWP clearly not fully fit which Ralph has confirmed is due to stomach condition.  All in all I suspect Ralph will have a few sleepless nights this week.

He came back from the EUROS absolutely buzzing about being involved and RH being RH let him cool off on the bench. Same treatment for Tella, buzzing at being in the team and lauded by Ralph at the end of last season, left to rot this.

RH doesn’t do himself any favours with his bizarre decisions, substitutions, and selections.

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1 hour ago, trousers said:

 

 

If it's about the 'bigger picture' rather than individual games, then why do people only jump on the 'Ralph Out' thread after a defeat? Why not the same clamour after last week's game? It's either about the bigger picture, or it isn't.

Because this was considered a winnable game, it’s great taking points from City and Utd, but it’s games like these we have to pick up 3 points from. It was a game there for the taking, but the set up was wrong. Had we had a left footed left back that alone could have changed the whole outcome. Consider KWP RB, Peraud LB (radical thinking), and either Tella or Livramento instead of Redmond or Mo or both?
 

We now have Chelsea, so potentially we will have netted 4 points from 21 available. Leeds and Burnley  both have winnable games next week so unless we get a freak result against Chelsea then we could  be in the bottom 3. Then there will be the inevitable draining of confidence. Forgive me for feeling a gloomy.

Regarding the bigger picture question, the picture would have looked a lot different had we one today, I may have felt we were making progress, now it feels like a continuation of last season’s form. 

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51 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Because this was considered a winnable game, it’s great taking points from City and Utd, but it’s games like these we have to pick up 3 points from. It was a game there for the taking, but the set up was wrong. Had we had a left footed left back that alone could have changed the whole outcome. Consider KWP RB, Peraud LB (radical thinking), and either Tella or Livramento instead of Redmond or Mo or both?
 

We now have Chelsea, so potentially we will have netted 4 points from 21 available. Leeds and Blackburn both have winnable games next week so unless we get a freak result against Chelsea then we could  be in the bottom 3. Then there will be the inevitable draining of confidence. Forgive me for feeling a gloomy.

Regarding the bigger picture question, the picture would have looked a lot different had we one today, I may have felt we were making progress, now it feels like a continuation of last season’s form. 

Blackburn?

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On 26/09/2021 at 16:02, MAY-Z said:

It happens because wolves were allowed to move the ball forward quickly, which puts pressure of defenders

This is utter nonsense. Pony in fact. Wolves' goal came off of a longball from the goalkeeper straight to Jiminez.... 🙃 What do you want our attackers to do from the opposing keepers goal kick?!?!?!


Outside of that goal, they had 1 chance prior to scoring and we totally outplayed them. They parked the bus and won with a very well taken goal from a top class striker. The only real complaint saints can have from today is that our new look attack has the age old problem of not being able to break down a well drilled defence.

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12 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Salisu deserves as much criticism as Bednarek for the goal. Pathetic attempt at providing cover, got caught flat footed. 2v1 and Jimenez mugged them off

I'll give Salisu some credit at the end in the 95th minute for good positioning which forced Jiminez to take the near-post shot to be fair.

The goal we conceded today was all on Bednarek, absolutely terrible.

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18 minutes ago, angelman said:

Sh*t team. Pretty cr*p atmosphere. All round, a sh*t day.

The Jimenez goal was the only moment of real quality on the pitch. Pity it was against us. The highlight of the day off the pitch was the Saints Brass march along the touchline in front of the Kingland Stand. They really have got their OWTS off to perfection now. They fired up the atmosphere before kick-off and I think they deserve a spot in the Chapel End so they could stir it up a bit during the game as well. 

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53 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Salisu deserves as much criticism as Bednarek for the goal. Pathetic attempt at providing cover, got caught flat footed. 2v1 and Jimenez mugged them off

Bednarek looked to have taken the art of using your body strength from the Vestergaard textbook on defending, and when it came to tackling both were left looking at shadows. 

Good job we've got 'The Gorilla' biding his time to sort our defensive frailties out. According to his social media anyway.

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2 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

I think Bednarek should just have got into a foot race with RJ and he would have had a better chance of tackling him. The leaning in did him no favours.

Don't think he has the pace, and he probably also realises it.

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I may be wrong but was not KWP one of our best players last season?

So knowing that what does Ralph do? Buys another RB and drops KWP. Then he plays KWP as a left back after buying one to replace Bertrand.

I have seen many instances where we are surprised by the decisions Ralph keeps making regarding team selection and and the the subs made when needed.

I have been a Ralph supporter since his arrival but am beginning to feel we will have to let hi9m go and sooner rather than later.

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Attendance 28,002 says a lot 

Chè fitness a concern, looked gone after 28 minutes 

Shane Long should not be playing a single minute or premier league football ever ever again 

our 4 at the back in the main look solid 

jwp not just best of games 

armstrong great work rate, will get scoring soon enough 

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10 minutes ago, Badger said:

Don't think he has the pace, and he probably also realises it.

He keeps up with him ok and is there at the end sliding in. A cleaner run could have given Bednarek a better chance of gettng at the ball. Although just reading other posts maybe it's more of the handful of shirt rather than Bednarek leaning in.

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6 hours ago, Mr X said:

Not saying they won't get better but at the moment we have two strikers in Adams and Armstrong that simply aren't going to get enough goals, which means midfield and defensive players need to contribute more.  We should have bought proven players at this level not future projects 

To invert your first sentence, you could argue that our midfield quartet aren't providing the necessary link to Adams  and Armstrong, hence the shortage of goals.  We are missing Ings though.

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38 minutes ago, whelk said:

Keown’s bs analysis. Pausing highlighting fullbacks not looking saying don’t know what is happening. Both are clearly facing when ball released by keeper.

Jenas fears for us

Yeah exactly this. Utter nonsense from him. He managed to commentate the entire goal without mentioning or covering Jimenez or either CB.

Unless they were playing at CB themselves, our fullbacks would have had zero bearing on that goal, the longball came down immediately behind bednarek, Jimenez took a couple of touches running almost full pelt at goal the whole time. No way either full back intercepts that goal. It was just one of those moments, complete class from Jimenez, sat down both of our CB's with great control and composure, lethal. Trust him to break a 330+ day duck like that vs saints when he was dog last week as well.

On Jenas, he's fair in what he said in that we struggle to score, albeit i thought both he and Keown were quite disingenuous over how much Wolves just parked the bus for most of the game. Ultimately though, we do have to start focussing on attack. Can't afford to go too much longer without a win or morale will suffer!

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I would like to see Perraud and Livrimento as backs and see how KWP gets on on the right of a midfield three

He and Livrimeto could interchange at will.

Play 4132, midfield 3 a.n.other (dont see much between any of the presently fit candidates) but Stuart Armstrong asap JWP KWP

I think that KWP on the right would be a better option than Redmond on the left.

Other than that a very disappointing performance, one moment of great skill and a bit of lick won it for them

We are not a very tall or physical side and crosses aren't the way forward.

Also I was very disappointed with crowd support, just where do Sky put their mikes, (in front of he away supporters?)

and on some of the crowd shots I thought we had placed a bunch of stony faced, emotionless gargoyles on the seats.

Regrettably I can never get to matches except for a few away games, due to health issues and no longer having family in the area.

I also can't stand up for long so it's not much point going to away matches unless I can get a front row seat

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27 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Bednarek gets sucked towards Jimenez and underruns the ball. Had he just watched the ball and concentrated on getting his head to,it he would have been unopposed.

Not the first time Bednarek has got the wrong side and too close to an attacker and got spun and out muscled 

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6 hours ago, Ed Rooney said:

Not the first time Bednarek has got the wrong side and too close to an attacker and got spun and out muscled 

or the last time, as near the end of the game a carbon copy happened, except this time the Wolves striker went back to his usual shite self and took the wrong option.

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If somebody had turned up with 5 minutes left and didn’t know the score , they’d have thought it was 0-0. There was absolutely no urgency or a change of approach from us. We chucked Shane Long and the big fella on, and then continued to pass it backward square and slowly. Why wasn’t golden bollocks getting hold of the game and the side, pushing them on, driving us forward. Instead he was fannying around pushing up his passing stats. Woeful. 

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30 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Not sure if it's been mentioned as can't be bothered to go through all the posts but how poor has JWP been this season? 

He's been his usual self from open play. Slow, ponderous, limited passing range, little creativity. It's his dead balls which have dropped off. 

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17 minutes ago, egg said:

He's been his usual self from open play. Slow, ponderous, limited passing range, little creativity. It's his dead balls which have dropped off. 

True, though it hasn't helped that we sold our strongest two aerial threats in Ings and Vestegaard.  Our current front two don't do much in the air and the whole side isn't great at winning headers.

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11 hours ago, Nordic Saint said:

The Jimenez goal was the only moment of real quality on the pitch. Pity it was against us. The highlight of the day off the pitch was the Saints Brass march along the touchline in front of the Kingland Stand. They really have got their OWTS off to perfection now. They fired up the atmosphere before kick-off and I think they deserve a spot in the Chapel End so they could stir it up a bit during the game as well. 

Absolutely. Dire match played out by 2 Championship standard teams. 

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14 hours ago, trousers said:

Actually, now you mention it, on the occasions that Livramento drives forward he does remind me of Stuart Armstrong a tad. So, good call I reckon, especially if SA is destined to be out long term.

Find the calls to push Tino higher slightly bizarre tbh. His two best attributes this season have been his defending and the driving from deep past players. His final ball hasn’t been great and he’s played every game facing the goal. If you move him up he won’t be defending, he won’t be able to drive from deep and he’ll have to play with his back to goal more and find an end product.

Not saying he can’t do it but it’s a strange clamour to move our best performer so far into another role. 
 

Our biggest issue right now is being predictable in our build up. Just after they scored we created our best chance when Romeu played a lovely through ball from deep. Sadly that deep through ball was totally out of character. We’re slightly too concerned about attacking in patterns in my opinion. There’s not enough ‘randomness’ (I’m sure there is a better word). 

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16 hours ago, LGTL said:

The choice was we sell or we keep him and let him go for free next summer. Relegation will cost us a lot more then £20million so it was actually a big risk. Yeah he might have sulked but ultimately he would have got on with it. 

If we didn't sell him, our business would basically have been selling Vest and buying Perraud in summer. Then Ings would have left next summer and we'd be trying to replace our top goalscorer for free. Sounds like a much better recipe for relegation to me.

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1 minute ago, Shroppie said:

Having seen MOTD I'm surprised VAR didn't check to see how Jiminez got past Bednarek by holding his arm and pulling him back. Surprised we didn't complain.

 

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It also looks like Bednarek has hold of his shirt. Bad defending in my opinion, whilst still being good play by Jimenez.

Certainly not a foul in my opinion.

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8 minutes ago, Billy the Kidd said:

It also looks like Bednarek has hold of his shirt. Bad defending in my opinion, whilst still being good play by Jimenez.

Certainly not a foul in my opinion.

Bednarek didn't have hold of his shirt. It should have been a foul, but Bednarek wasn't very strong and should have just hauled Raul down. Would have been a yellow, no more.

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