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The first goal was straight at him. He should smother it. Forster would have done much better. He is great at saving stuff straight at him.

I don't believe McCarthy should take any blame for the second. I'm sure most will disagree, but that's my opinion.

Macca's save earned us a point. It was absolutely outstanding. 

 

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48 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Ah right, adding 8 children to the empty space around the pitch is too risky. Nevermind the tens of thousands of people sat in the stands.

I’m giving you the reason, I don’t want or deserve a smart arse comment! The difference is, clever arse, those tens of thousands aren’t touching the ball are they?

I ain’t made the rules 🙄

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46 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Thought we did ok and ended quite strong tbh

we did. We were in trouble for a long period, when gaps opened up, but we turned it around with Broja and Ely giving us some fresh legs. They missed Tielmans. I guess we miss S Armstrong. Happy with a point. Leicester are not world beaters this year though, so not getting carried away.

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15 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

I would've taken 4 points from Leicester and Brighton, so if we do win, and I think we will, this will look like a decent result.

Spot on.

 

Both Leicester & Brighton aren’t in great form, so 4 points is about par imo. The problem is if we draw sat, or god forbid lose, tonight will not look so good. 
 

 

 

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I enjoyed that. Both teams have it a go and it could have gone either way.

Similar story as previously with a great first half performance followed by the opposition changing things up in the second and playing much better.

Neither team will be overly disappointed with a draw. Leicester missed a couple of very good chances at the end though and that save by McCarthy was one of the best you'll see all season. 

I do wish we'd had a couple of decent shots on target in the second half, but it ended up with half chances where we didn't get an effort in. 

They obviously have better players so a point is a good result despite being ahead twice.

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2-2 is a result I will deffo take especially as had Vardy scored it could have been worse.

Again, a shame that Leicester have pulled away from us in terms of resources and stature the last few years because they are a solid PL team now.

So begrudgingly, a draw is not the worst. They’ll beat some of our other bottom half rivals away from home I’m sure.

Brighton is a game we should definitely target, they’ve not won in 9 games I think I saw, win that I’d say its been a successful week.

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37 minutes ago, HarvSFC said:

I attributed that to Salisu as his error, as the way I saw it, it was poor control. Maybe I was wrong, but an example of why KWP shouldn't be on his weak foot certainly.

it wasn't a Salisu error. It was 100% down to KWP. It was a back pass to McCarthy but he hit it straight at Salisu. Bad error. Not sure it had anything to do with playing on the wrong side, but the time has come to drop Livramento and get KW back at right back, assuming Perraud can step up. Can he though? Looked very average so far.

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1 minute ago, Saint-Michael said:

Great to see Nigel Adkins receiving an award from the club would love to have him back in a coaching position.

what was the award for? Giving us two of the best footballing seasons of our lives?

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5 minutes ago, trousers said:

Another one of his "minor calf injuries"... the last one only kept him out for two months or so...

I can't help but wonder whether Stuart Armstrong's problem is between his knee and his ankle or between his ears. I so hope this isn't so because he's really important to us, but he almost looks like a player who doesn't really want to be here any more.

If that's the case, the only player who seems to bring that unpredictable, attack from all angles offence is Nathan Tella. I don't think Leicester ever really got a handle on him tonight, and his last two performances should have earned him more opportunities. Unless, of course, he's not disciplined (aka regimented) enough for Ralph.

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Yet again we’re cost a win because of our goalkeeper and yet again we’ll still see him start on Saturday. 
 

He’s only got to number one by accident twice, he just isn’t good enough and it won’t change until he’s replaced. 

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43 minutes ago, Chez said:

The first goal was straight at him. He should smother it. Forster would have done much better. He is great at saving stuff straight at him.

I don't believe McCarthy should take any blame for the second. I'm sure most will disagree, but that's my opinion.

Macca's save earned us a point. It was absolutely outstanding. 

 

Have to disagree with you on this. McCarthy's first reaction save was excellent just a shame it rebounded straight to Evans.

The second save when Barnes went through was world class.

I thought overall McCarthy had a very decent game

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2 minutes ago, CanadaSaint said:

I can't help but wonder whether Stuart Armstrong's problem is between his knee and his ankle or between his ears. I so hope this isn't so because he's really important to us, but he almost looks like a player who doesn't really want to be here any more.

If that's the case, the only player who seems to bring that unpredictable, attack from all angles offence is Nathan Tella. I don't think Leicester ever really got a handle on him tonight, and his last two performances should have earned him more opportunities. Unless, of course, he's not disciplined (aka regimented) enough for Ralph.

Tella seemed to fade in the second half. Not sure he achieved all that much in the first, to be honest. Looked a little rusty. Moving mini-Amstrong out there isn't the answer though.

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6 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

Have to disagree with you on this. McCarthy's first reaction save was excellent just a shame it rebounded straight to Evans.

The second save when Barnes went through was world class.

I thought overall McCarthy had a very decent game

There’s no hope with some people. 

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1 minute ago, spyinthesky said:

Have to disagree with you on this. McCarthy's first reaction save was excellent just a shame it rebounded straight to Evans.

The second save when Barnes went through was world class.

I thought overall McCarthy had a very decent game

Don't think the first was `excellent'. He should save it, but having parried, you need a bit of luck and he didn't get it. Nor did Schmichel at the other end in much the same situation. You don't think there was time to try and catch it rather than parry? 

It really was a world class save. It's exactly the kind of save I have been trying to describe on here for a while. One that is out of the blue and you don't expect the keeper to make at all. It's basically in, and then its not. Some keepers never make these. Forster is one. 

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1 minute ago, spyinthesky said:

Have to disagree with you on this. McCarthy's first reaction save was excellent just a shame it rebounded straight to Evans.

The second save when Barnes went through was world class.

I thought overall McCarthy had a very decent game

The first one came through a load of players so he probably didn't see it until fairly late. It could easily have bounced to one of our players but instead found one of theirs. Could he have done better? Perhaps, it's definitely not a horrible mistake by any means.

I didn't get a good view of the second from where I was sat but it was hit low and hard from not that far out. If he stands too close to the near post Maddison probably rolls it into the far corner.

Some fans go so over the top with their dislike of him that they wouldn't even acknowledge his stunning save from Barnes.

He's by no means an outstanding keeper although anyone playing in the top flight of the biggest league in the world is obviously very good.

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2 things that really stood out tonight was the obvious goal keeping situation and how awful Tino was at fullback, we HAVE to do something in January about Gk and Ralph needs to pull Tino out or push him further forward with KWP back in natural position, at the moment its affecting KWP's performances, he looks great at times but gets caught defending wrong side and always seems to check the wrong way, thought we were pretty good first half and ok although not dangerous 2nd half, this again has to be down to Ralph, I thought Armstrong may come good but tonight left a little head scratching, pretty everything he done he chose the wrong option, would've rather he come off and Tella stayed on with Broja/Adams front 2, it's going to be tight down the bottom and we really need 3pts over Brighton to maintain that small gap

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1 minute ago, The Cat said:

The first one came through a load of players so he probably didn't see it until fairly late. It could easily have bounced to one of our players but instead found one of theirs. Could he have done better? Perhaps, it's definitely not a horrible mistake by any means.

I didn't get a good view of the second from where I was sat but it was hit low and hard from not that far out. If he stands too close to the near post Maddison probably rolls it into the far corner.

Some fans go so over the top with their dislike of him that they wouldn't even acknowledge his stunning save from Barnes.

He's by no means an outstanding keeper although anyone playing in the top flight of the biggest league in the world is obviously very good.

Could not agree more.

Annoys me when people slate keepers for being beaten at the near post. It's like, allowing a goal in that side is 100 times worse than letting it in the other or something. Yes you need to get you angles right, but the goal is fucking massive when they are shooting at it from 6 yards out. He wasn't to blame at all for the second IMO. Livramento on the other hand. Jesus. The lad has a lot to learn about defending and positional play

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3 minutes ago, danjosaint said:

2 things that really stood out tonight was the obvious goal keeping situation and how awful Tino was at fullback, we HAVE to do something in January about Gk and Ralph needs to pull Tino out or push him further forward with KWP back in natural position, at the moment its affecting KWP's performances, he looks great at times but gets caught defending wrong side and always seems to check the wrong way, thought we were pretty good first half and ok although not dangerous 2nd half, this again has to be down to Ralph, I thought Armstrong may come good but tonight left a little head scratching, pretty everything he done he chose the wrong option, would've rather he come off and Tella stayed on with Broja/Adams front 2, it's going to be tight down the bottom and we really need 3pts over Brighton to maintain that small gap

Yep. I'd be inclined to drop Tino, but does Perraud warrant a place in the side? I get the impression Ralph hasn't been all that impressed so far.

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6 minutes ago, The Cat said:

The first one came through a load of players so he probably didn't see it until fairly late. It could easily have bounced to one of our players but instead found one of theirs. Could he have done better? Perhaps, it's definitely not a horrible mistake by any means.

I didn't get a good view of the second from where I was sat but it was hit low and hard from not that far out. If he stands too close to the near post Maddison probably rolls it into the far corner.

Some fans go so over the top with their dislike of him that they wouldn't even acknowledge his stunning save from Barnes.

He's by no means an outstanding keeper although anyone playing in the top flight of the biggest league in the world is obviously very good.

Very good save from Barnes. But he’s too poor positionally and parries dangerously too often. He gets beaten at the near post a fair bit. His judgment is poor and he’s shaky on distribution. He doesn’t transmit confidence. And he left a massive gap at the end near post for Vardy; luckily he was profligate for once. No-one is pretending that Forster is Shilton. But it is a bit mystifying why Ralph ignores him quite so much. And we need to buy a new keeper in January or this will keep happening as it has for months. 

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3 minutes ago, Chez said:

Tella seemed to fade in the second half. Not sure he achieved all that much in the first, to be honest. Looked a little rusty. Moving mini-Amstrong out there isn't the answer though.

Someone likened Adam Armstrong to Shane Long, but I'm seeing a lot of Long's traits in Tella.  The lad has a ton of pace and tries his heart out in the press and defensively but his touch, control, passing and decision making in and around the box seems consistently poor to me.    The stark difference in the second half was Leicester's ability to move the ball quickly releasing their many quality attacking players and having an AM like Maddison to pull the strings - how Saint's could use a creative midfielder like him.

Ward-Prowse and Romeu were good in midfield; Salisu our best defender along with KWP (apart from that feck up in the second half).   It really is time to take Livramento out of the firing line in favour of KWP at right back.  Even if you didn't think young Livramento was a bit cooked physically and mentally, KWP should be reclaiming that spot on merit.       I thought Ralph was again slow to make a change when Leicester were dominating the game in the second half - as another poster noted, he seems to have a pre-conceived plan for subs rather than re-acting to what's happening on the pitch.

Got to be happy with a point in the end.    I was shocked to hear that each time Bednarek has scored we have gone on to lose the game 2-3!!!   Have to be happy that Vardy fluffed his lines....that would have been a nauseating outcome.

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7 minutes ago, Chez said:

Could not agree more.

Annoys me when people slate keepers for being beaten at the near post. It's like, allowing a goal in that side is 100 times worse than letting it in the other or something. Yes you need to get you angles right, but the goal is fucking massive when they are shooting at it from 6 yards out. He wasn't to blame at all for the second IMO. Livramento on the other hand. Jesus. The lad has a lot to learn about defending and positional play

Actually thought Madison was allowed to carry the ball WAY too far. Think it may have been Romeu not having the legs to track. We need to get so much closer in midfield 

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Thought the first half was as good as we have been for a while.

I think it's time to give Tino a rest, I also think that was Armstrong's worst game, never got into it.

I think we need to rethink keeping everyone back at corners, cost us the first goal as the ball just came straight back at is.

We also need to get tougher/cleverer, loads of times they broke up or attacks with fouls, that the crap referee never punished, we really need to start doing this someone should have taken Madison out on his run up field.

Lastly buy a new keeper in Jan please.

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A good game for the neutrals. McCarthy for the best part looked good, but he has key frailties that cost us games…think it will Forster to leave though when a replacement arrives (Johnstone?).

1 point is acceptable against a good Leicester, but they were poor this evening I thought. And we need to start winning games too - draws will see us relegated. 

 

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5 hours ago, obelisk said:

I really think Tino would  be better further forward on the right. As a defender he's just not good enough.

Really? Stats and my viewing of the games he has played so far for SFC tells me he is in the top ten defenders in the league this season, which is not bad for a player his age! If he continues on his current trajectory you are going to regret this posting. But there is an upside, if he goes on to play further up, then maybe you will have been correct in a really strange way?

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5 hours ago, egg said:

Yep. I just don't get the appeal of this lad. Very average on a good day, awful tonight. Broja must wander what he's got to do to play ahead of him. 

Be not a 19 year old learning his trade? Did Broja coming on make a difference? If the answer to both is no I think the question is answered?

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8 hours ago, spyinthesky said:

Have to disagree with you on this. McCarthy's first reaction save was excellent just a shame it rebounded straight to Evans.

The second save when Barnes went through was world class.

I thought overall McCarthy had a very decent game

I agree he saw the shot late as he unsighted for the first goal according to the commentary onAmazon

 

We did not win because Tella Adams and Armstrong are not consistent and they make mistakes

 

To win matches regularly we need better players in the forward positions the current ones are hardly in the Tadic Pelle Mane Lambert Lallana Ings mode of player are they 

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19 minutes ago, John B said:

 

To win matches regularly we need better players in the forward positions the current ones are hardly in the Tadic Pelle Mane Lambert Lallana Ings mode of player are they 

We have. 

Broja.

But Ralph can't see it.

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10 hours ago, CanadaSaint said:

I’ve felt for some time that Ralph’s second half changes are not determined by what’s going on in front of him, but almost planned in advance. He seldom seems to respond to opposition changes that alter the momentum (e.g. Watford, Norwich), and he’s slow to see the resultant danger when players are underperforming (Tino, A. Armstrong), or when the opposition has sussed out a weakness (KWP on his wrong side).

 I think Ralph does quite a lot right - more than he gets credit for, but this obstinate, arrogant side of him is infuriating.

No wonder we’re stuck in a groove of great starts and shit finishes.

 

I agree with this his second half tactics and subs seem to have no relation to what's going on on the pitch! Almost like  he literally draws them out of a hat, when its plain to see who was under performing/needing a rest.  What worries me Is conceding 9 goals in three games and that a Leicester  team that barely got out of second gear still managed to score twice.  Its plain for all to see our keeper just isn't good enough on current form 

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Cracking game between two teams who really wanted to play.  It's a shame to draw when we were ahead twice but it was the right result. I thought JWP and Adams were out MOTM.  Romeu and Redmond played well.  And for me McCarthy had a decent game.  Probably could have done better with the first one but people blaming him for the second either have an agenda or don't understand the game.  His distribution was much better and the Barnes save was fantastic.  He claimed every cross.  It was great to see Tella start.  He is still a rough diamond but he brings energy, pace and just a buzz to the team.  I think he should get minutes every game, either starting or sub; he could really grow into something special.  Broja was lively when he came on but why oh why did he not hit the chance first time with his left?  He's another who needs polishing although I'm less interested if he's not ours to keep.  Good to see Bednarek with a better game, I though Salisu was a bit iffy, he just seemed over confident and went for things he wasn't going to get.

It was strange down there.  A flat atmosphere compared to Villa.  Lots of empty seats, I assume our two defeats, the weather and Amazon Prime are to blame.  And there were loads of spectators round us who seemed new to us and football in general - 'football tourists' I believe is the expression.  Some were trying to start a Mexican wave, a group of girls tried and failed to get OWTS going a few times.  and the half time heart attack in the Kingsland was something I've not experienced before - it was nice to see our subs giving the person a round of applause. It all added up to a weird atmosphere, even when we were winning.  I'd say it was only in the frantic last 10 minutes that things got really loud.

All in all, a good point against a very dangerous attacking side.  I think if we had won we would be in 11th right now, so we're not far off.  

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3 minutes ago, JustinSFC said:

We have. 

Broja.

But Ralph can't see it.

Yes I think Broja is going to be a really good striker but at the moment he finished article but probably will play on Saturday but football is a team game and we just do not have experienced PL consistent front players unlike Leicester.

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8 hours ago, Chez said:

Could not agree more.

Annoys me when people slate keepers for being beaten at the near post. It's like, allowing a goal in that side is 100 times worse than letting it in the other or something. Yes you need to get you angles right, but the goal is fucking massive when they are shooting at it from 6 yards out. He wasn't to blame at all for the second IMO. Livramento on the other hand. Jesus. The lad has a lot to learn about defending and positional play

As much as I dont rate McCarthy, this is spot on. If he stood at his 'front post' and left the other side of the goal gaping then he would get criticised for that too. It was a good finish from Maddison. His save from Barnes was excellent too.

People seem to forget that Tino has just turned 19 and before this season only had experience of the u23 league. As much as he offers going forward, he will make mistakes defensively and that just has to be accepted as part of his development. A more experienced KWP also made a number of mistakes, one which almost cost us the game

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20 minutes ago, JustinSFC said:

We have. 

Broja.

But Ralph can't see it.

Yep, spot on. That chance Broja tucked away was awesome last night. Won us the game, the lads a hero, fucking hero I tells you.

Armstrong would have just cut back to try to turn, for some weird reason, and the chance would have gone begging.

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12 minutes ago, John B said:

Yes I think Broja is going to be a really good striker but at the moment he finished article but probably will play on Saturday but football is a team game and we just do not have experienced PL consistent front players unlike Leicester.

You’re correct, Broja will be a good player, he is very young just now, and will be inconsistent. Not sure who plays Sat though, I think currently Broja and AA are having about the same impact on games, and I think our biggest issue for all our Strikers is the lack of creating behind them. Tells, whilst playing well y’day, wasnt great when in the final third, and maybe as he hasn’t had game time, but we barely created anything for the two up top.

Actually, apart from Redmond, thought he was alright, great cross and Che reacted well to score that.

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9 hours ago, Chez said:

Yep. I'd be inclined to drop Tino, but does Perraud warrant a place in the side? I get the impression Ralph hasn't been all that impressed so far.

But Perraud has hardly been given a good run and told, your my left back show us your the one we should give the spot too.Otherwise that's another failed £10m buy.

KWP right back and either drop Tino or play him ahead of KWP and tell him cross at all time not too difficult surely? Pick player to fill in their strongest suited positions now that's a novel idea before Saturdays game.

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9 hours ago, The Cat said:

I didn't get a good view of the second from where I was sat but it was hit low and hard from not that far out. If he stands too close to the near post Maddison probably rolls it into the far corner.

The defence have a fair amount of blame for the second but i do not think alex should not have taken that step to the right. If the guy puts it in the other corner fair enough but at least you are forcing him to go for the harder option technically . By opening up the near post it's just making it so much easier for Maddison.

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9 hours ago, spyinthesky said:

Have to disagree with you on this. McCarthy's first reaction save was excellent just a shame it rebounded straight to Evans.

The second save when Barnes went through was world class.

I thought overall McCarthy had a very decent game

That wasn’t a reaction save. It was a routine bend down and collect the ball from a weak shot from the edge of the area and one which he had a clear view of. It was a fumble from a poor goalkeeper.

What effect do you think these regular mistakes of his have on the rest of the team? 

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3 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

That wasn’t a reaction save. It was a routine bend down and collect the ball from a weak shot from the edge of the area and one which he had a clear view of. It was a fumble from a poor goalkeeper.

What effect do you think these regular mistakes of his have on the rest of the team? 

Also, why the hell can't our manager see it?

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1 hour ago, The Left Back said:

Cracking game between two teams who really wanted to play.  It's a shame to draw when we were ahead twice but it was the right result. I thought JWP and Adams were out MOTM.  Romeu and Redmond played well.  And for me McCarthy had a decent game.  Probably could have done better with the first one but people blaming him for the second either have an agenda or don't understand the game.  His distribution was much better and the Barnes save was fantastic.  He claimed every cross.  It was great to see Tella start.  He is still a rough diamond but he brings energy, pace and just a buzz to the team.  I think he should get minutes every game, either starting or sub; he could really grow into something special.  Broja was lively when he came on but why oh why did he not hit the chance first time with his left?  He's another who needs polishing although I'm less interested if he's not ours to keep.  Good to see Bednarek with a better game, I though Salisu was a bit iffy, he just seemed over confident and went for things he wasn't going to get.

It was strange down there.  A flat atmosphere compared to Villa.  Lots of empty seats, I assume our two defeats, the weather and Amazon Prime are to blame.  And there were loads of spectators round us who seemed new to us and football in general - 'football tourists' I believe is the expression.  Some were trying to start a Mexican wave, a group of girls tried and failed to get OWTS going a few times.  and the half time heart attack in the Kingsland was something I've not experienced before - it was nice to see our subs giving the person a round of applause. It all added up to a weird atmosphere, even when we were winning.  I'd say it was only in the frantic last 10 minutes that things got really loud.

All in all, a good point against a very dangerous attacking side.  I think if we had won we would be in 11th right now, so we're not far off.  

enjoyed your post (a little island of positivity in a swamp of negativity on here). Great that there were `new' supporters at the match. the football business needs new blood. There was a good student offer for last nights' game, so maybe that attracted them.

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10 hours ago, spyinthesky said:

Have to disagree with you on this. McCarthy's first reaction save was excellent just a shame it rebounded straight to Evans.

The second save when Barnes went through was world class.

I thought overall McCarthy had a very decent game

Got to disagree about the first goal.  Premier league keepers should be holding that, it had no power behind it.  Sometimes he looks a bit flat-footed and when he is, he goes down like a sack of shit.

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4 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Got to disagree about the first goal.  Premier league keepers should be holding that, it had no power behind it.  Sometimes he looks a bit flat-footed and when he is, he goes down like a sack of shit.

Perhaps he was a little unsighted. But also, perhaps he's just not Prem standard. Would be middling in Championship. We need better, desperately

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