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26 minutes ago, Weston Saint said:

Shocking statistic

Our game vs Brighton will be exactly 2 years since our last win without Stuart Armstrong playing (home game vs Norwich). We've played 18 games since then with 0 wins and 11 losses.  

Especially considering he’s quickly becoming one of those players who plays for his national team more then his club side. 

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37 minutes ago, Weston Saint said:

Shocking statistic

Our game vs Brighton will be exactly 2 years since our last win without Stuart Armstrong playing (home game vs Norwich). We've played 18 games since then with 0 wins and 11 losses.  

Unbelievable isn't it. Also quite alarming Armstrong has missed 18 (soon to be 19) games in the last two years. Not a good injury record. Maybe he just makes himself available for selection when he thinks we've got a chance of winning 

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1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Be interesting to see how Lamptey gets on.  Reason being he is similar to Tino but a few years further down the road.

 

He lacks a lot of what Tino has imo. He is very poor defensively, basically playing as a winger for Brighton. Also his injury record is appalling. Very talented footballer though.

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1 hour ago, Weston Saint said:

Shocking statistic

Our game vs Brighton will be exactly 2 years since our last win without Stuart Armstrong playing (home game vs Norwich). We've played 18 games since then with 0 wins and 11 losses.  

That is quite surprising, especially given that he was (arguably) our poorest player in the first half against Villa and was well off the pace when he came on for the last 20 minutes away to Watford. 

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1 hour ago, JRM said:

Unbelievable isn't it. Also quite alarming Armstrong has missed 18 (soon to be 19) games in the last two years. Not a good injury record. Maybe he just makes himself available for selection when he thinks we've got a chance of winning 

Really worrying on the one hand, but then it does provide some hope for future games. We've largely been rubbish this season yet we're not that close to the bottom 3. If we can get Armstrong fit maybe things will click. I'd love to see us switch to a 433 with Armstrong in midfield with JWP and Romeu every week. We don't need to play 2 or 3 strikers when none are regular scorers. Just play Adams with Redmond/Tella/Djenepo/Tino.

Besides keeper, biggest signing needed is a creative player. Wonder if there's anyone we could get in January, even a loan. Not another prospect or a winger, someone who can actually pick out a pass. Even when we're on top like first half v Villa and Leicester, our final ball is often terrible. 

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Is it right we haven't scored a goal from open play in the last 30 minutes of any game this season? Thought I heard that from a DAZN commentator on the Leicester game.

There is definitely a second-half drop-off effect with us that every opposing manager must know. Is it a lack of fitness?  Too energetic / exhausting high pressing early on in games (when we score most of our...very few....goals).

If we could play two decent high=pressing halves of football we'd win.

Think we'll edge Brighton 2-1. Armstrong and Adams playing on the ground (no point in high crosses unless Broja is up top).

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2 hours ago, miserableoldgit said:

Stephens available apparently......Bendarek out. Forster Injured.

It says on the OS he’s still building fitness - not sure if that means he’ll be on the bench or not…

In terms of returning personnel centre-back Jack Stephens continues to build fitness ahead of a return from a two-month knee injury he picked up at Manchester City earlier in the season.”

I read this as he was probably not available and therefore expecting Lyanco and Salisu with Simeu on the bench?

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11 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Adams wins heading duels. He even scored with one on Wednesday!

 

Hmmm, interesting - but that is just one week and midfield aerial battles from punts upfield...his headed goal for Leicester was his first headed goal out of the 70 or 80 he's scored apparently - says it all.

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3 minutes ago, Vancouver Saint said:

Hmmm, interesting - but that is just one week and midfield aerial battles from punts upfield...his headed goal for Leicester was his first headed goal out of the 70 or 80 he's scored apparently - says it all.

Adams is very poor at heading the ball.

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18 hours ago, NewYorkSaint said:

I think we'll win. Hoping to see Moussa back in the squad. At some point he's going to ignite for us. A really exciting player. And it's so great to see Redmond back at his best. I thought he was stunning first half against Leicester.  JWP looking back to his best too.  And there's more creativity and energy going into set piece planning.  All of which gives me reason to take the optimistic stance here.  Optimists aren't always right. But they have more fun!  Compare: three days of dread/meh vs three days of excitement.  Come join camp hope!

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41 minutes ago, Vancouver Saint said:

Hmmm, interesting - but that is just one week and midfield aerial battles from punts upfield...his headed goal for Leicester was his first headed goal out of the 70 or 80 he's scored apparently - says it all.

Midfield aerial battles from pumps upfield are important. His ability to win long balls, control them and start attacks are a key method of relieving pressure when the other team is attacking as well as facilitating quick counters.

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15 minutes ago, Teddeer said:

Wonder if Ralph will be tempted to give Theo a start. Seems he is quite keen not to leave squad players on the bench for too long at a time (apart from FF of course).

I bloody well hope not. He shouldn't be anywhere near a PL squad, same as Long.

I reckon we'll see Lynaco alongside Salisu. Makes me a tiny bit nervous as they're both a little rash in how they step out of defence, Lyanco in particular. Trossard will as usual pull them all over the place, so they need to be sensible in and out of possession.

Would expect to see Moussa come in for Tella, maybe Broja for Armstrong. 

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What about Elyonoussi? Last week he wasn't in the squad because his partner had given birth to a baby. Wednesday when he came on as a sub they said he was on tenterhooks waiting for his partner to give birth. So has she had it yet? I'm not a great fan of Moi, but with Stuey out still he is probably our best bet in midfield and he is certainly a lot better than he used to be. What has happened to Djenepo? 

Can't figure out if Stephens is ready or not, he was supposed to be ready for Wednesday but didn't even make the bench, not confident relying on Lyanco, and with no other CB on the bench.

Presumably we'll see the elusive Harry Lewis on the bench. 23 years old and 3 senior appearances, the last nearly 4 years ago. What a waste.

Hopefully Ralph will give Tino a rest and go with KWP in his best position, and Perraud on the left (from what I've seen he is decent defensively just seems to lack the abiility to get a decent cross in). Take JWP off of corner duty and let someone who seems able to put a decent corner in take them instead (Redmond (am I really saying that) or even Smallbone.

I hope Ralph goes: McCarthy, KWP, Stephens, Salisu, Perraud, Romeu, JWP, Smallbone, Redmond, Adams, Broja (but I suspect he won't).

 

Really need something good to happen this weekend.

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12 minutes ago, VectisSaint said:

What about Elyonoussi? Last week he wasn't in the squad because his partner had given birth to a baby. Wednesday when he came on as a sub they said he was on tenterhooks waiting for his partner to give birth. So has she had it yet? I'm not a great fan of Moi, but with Stuey out still he is probably our best bet in midfield and he is certainly a lot better than he used to be. What has happened to Djenepo? 

Can't figure out if Stephens is ready or not, he was supposed to be ready for Wednesday but didn't even make the bench, not confident relying on Lyanco, and with no other CB on the bench.

Presumably we'll see the elusive Harry Lewis on the bench. 23 years old and 3 senior appearances, the last nearly 4 years ago. What a waste.

Hopefully Ralph will give Tino a rest and go with KWP in his best position, and Perraud on the left (from what I've seen he is decent defensively just seems to lack the abiility to get a decent cross in). Take JWP off of corner duty and let someone who seems able to put a decent corner in take them instead (Redmond (am I really saying that) or even Smallbone.

I hope Ralph goes: McCarthy, KWP, Stephens, Salisu, Perraud, Romeu, JWP, Smallbone, Redmond, Adams, Broja (but I suspect he won't).

 

Really need something good to happen this weekend.

I very much doubt Smallbone starts, we have like 7 players competing for those two roles who are ahead of him.

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20 hours ago, TWar said:

He lacks a lot of what Tino has imo. He is very poor defensively

Same as Tino then, that's not a dig out or slating Tino but defensively has been very poor especially positional and awareness which is why I'd love him to play further forward in front of KWP

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17 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Adams wins heading duels. He even scored with one on Wednesday!

 

what counts as a duel? Was his headed goal one of those five duals won, because if it was, then the stat is a bit misleading, as it was an uncontested header due to a compete balls up by their centre backs.

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18 hours ago, Vancouver Saint said:

Is it right we haven't scored a goal from open play in the last 30 minutes of any game this season? Thought I heard that from a DAZN commentator on the Leicester game.

There is definitely a second-half drop-off effect with us that every opposing manager must know. Is it a lack of fitness?  Too energetic / exhausting high pressing early on in games (when we score most of our...very few....goals).

If we could play two decent high=pressing halves of football we'd win.

Think we'll edge Brighton 2-1. Armstrong and Adams playing on the ground (no point in high crosses unless Broja is up top).

Our players are as fit as most. It's the tactics. JWP and Romeu can put in amazing shifts but they're usually up against 3 CMs and it's near impossible to sustain over 90 mins. Opposition managers usually adjust tactics or just show patience knowing we can't keep up our pressing. And we dont capitalise when on top. It's often high energy rather than high quality and we find ourselves 1 goal up or level. If you're in that position and know you've peaked, how do you win regularly?

As much as I've liked Ralph, I'm sick of 4222. Maybe it can work with top class no10s and forwards so you can really punish opposition, but it hasn't worked here. It seems like he's trying to fit players to a system rathern than a system to get the best out of the players we have. Are we supposed to assume other clubs are all wrong playing 433/4231/343?

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1 hour ago, danjosaint said:

Same as Tino then, that's not a dig out or slating Tino but defensively has been very poor especially positional and awareness which is why I'd love him to play further forward in front of KWP

Too obvious. Ralph is too stubborn for that. But it's crazy how much we've disrupted our team to keep Tino at right back. A player who hadn't played a senior game and whose strengths are dribbling and attacking. Last season was mostly shit, but KWP was consistently excellent at right back. We could have a really great right side with the right tactics. 

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19 hours ago, SaintTex said:

what the hell did Forster do to himself?

A suspicious person would say 'is Fraser really injured'  

Non specified injury even tho epl teams have the best medical staff so will know what's the problem or does Ralph know he'll get slated again if Mccarthy cocks up again with calls for Forster to start, this way it negates that 

Anyhow roll on January and hope for new keeper 

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Just now, danjosaint said:

A suspicious person would say 'is Fraser really injured'  

Non specified injury even tho epl teams have the best medical staff so will know what's the problem or does Ralph know he'll get slated again if Mccarthy cocks up again with calls for Forster to start, this way it negates that 

Anyhow roll on January and hope for new keeper 

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18 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

I bloody well hope not. He shouldn't be anywhere near a PL squad, same as Long.

I reckon we'll see Lynaco alongside Salisu. Makes me a tiny bit nervous as they're both a little rash in how they step out of defence, Lyanco in particular. Trossard will as usual pull them all over the place, so they need to be sensible in and out of possession.

Would expect to see Moussa come in for Tella, maybe Broja for Armstrong. 

Ralph never makes wholesale changes so likely same team as Wednesday but Lyanco for Bednarek. No start for Broja.

Not sure about Tella though because of that overstretch incident on Weds; if not fit enough to start expect Djenepo (for pace). 

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7 minutes ago, danjosaint said:

1) A suspicious person would say 'is Fraser really injured'  

Non specified injury even tho epl teams have the best medical staff so will know what's the problem or does Ralph know he'll get slated again if Mccarthy cocks up again with calls for Forster to start, this way it negates that 

Anyhow 2) roll on January and hope for new keeper 

1) Why would they lie about an injury to the sub keeper?

2) Hasenhuttl has already stated a new keeper won't be joining until next summer

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1 minute ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Ralph never makes wholesale changes so likely same team as Wednesday but Lyanco for Bednarek. No start for Broja.

Not sure about Tella though because of that overstretch incident on Weds; if not fit enough to start expect Djenepo (for pace). 

The team was announced 10 minutes ago.

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1 minute ago, Baird of the land said:

Pretty happy with the lineup. Would have preferred to see Livramento rested for this one but i expect the only way he'll get a break is when he gets injured.

Yep, I think that side pretty much picks itself. Interesting to see how our 4 at the back matches up against their 3/5.

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