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The final two weeks of Saints Greatest XI start with the Subs bench. I want 5 named substitutes for each team. For the purposes of having two full teams including a subs bench, they can't be players that are already in either team, but they can have been nominated before. So you need to nominate 10 players in total. It's an opportunity for those players who have missed it by a whisker, to come back into contention and be recognised. Please place out your lists like this:

 

A-Team

GK -

DF -

MF -

ST -

UP -

 

B-Team

GK -

DF -

MF -

ST -

UP -

 

So that's one goalkeeper, one defender, one midfielder, one striker, and one utility player for each team. Importantly, the utility player can be from any position on the pitch, if you like. He doesn't have to be, or have been, recognised as a utility player while playing for Saints. Geddit..?

 

As this is quite a lot of players to give a fair amount of thought to, this thread will close on friday night, next week. Please make the effort to name all players. I will not include partial efforts. I will count the players as individuals afterwards and we'll have two benches. Those players who have been named most times will end up on one of the benches. Of those that have been named most times, their destinations will be decided on whether they have been nominated for the A-Team or B-Team mostly.

 

I think you know the standard we are making our choices from by now, but I'll just reiterate. It's excellence, and nothing else. Not because they're an old mate of yours, or because you used to walk your dog with theirs, or they are some cult hero. If they are the best player, you can think of first, and a cult hero, and someone you used to walk your dog with, then OK. ;)

 

BTW, These threads and polls are not rigged and never have been, despite the odd lazy poster suggesting otherwise, but never directly asking me in a PM. Perhaps they might, and I'll give them some work to do.

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Tim Flowers Chris Nicholl Nick Holmes George O'Brien Jimmy Gabriel

 

Ian Black Alf Ramsey Cliff Huxford Charlie Wayman Peter Osgood

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A-Team

GK - Tim Flowers

DF - Kevin Moore

MF - Jimmy Case

ST - David Puckett

UP - Andy Townsend

 

B-Team

GK - John Burridge

DF - Micky Adams

MF - Graeme Baker

ST - Paul Rideout

UP - James Beattie

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A Team

GK Tim Flowers

DF Dean Richards

MF Anders Svensson

ST James BeattiE

UP Ronnie Ekelund

 

B

GK Kelvin Davis

DF Richard Hall

MF Glenn ****erill

ST Peter Crouch

UP Fabrice Fernandes

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No thanks to TDD. As I said in the original post, a contribution such as his will be ignored [so why bother doing it TDD..?]. Thank you Derry. Thank you very much for reading, the two last posters. All future contributors, please lay out your player selections as the two posters immediately above have done. Just copy and paste my guide, and fill in your selections. Thanks.

 

DarrenLeTiss, I hope this agrees with what you had in mind.

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Serious question, where is the A and B team listed, so I can think about who to add? Sorry if its obvious, but its not to me.

 

Sorry Vectis. Good question. Here they are both:

 

A-Team

 

-------------------Shilton---------------------

 

Golac-------Wright--------Svensson-----Bridge

 

Paine---------Ball---------Le Tissier---Armstrong

 

------------Channon--------Davies-------------

 

 

B-Team

 

----------------------Niemi----------------------

 

Dodd------Lundekvam------Watson---------Dennis

 

D.Wallace----Williams---------Case--------Marsden

 

-------------Keegan--------Pahars---------------

 

Good teams, aren't they..?

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Agboola-Mills-Holmes-Moran were all terrific players and lads that took us pretty close to an amazing double. They have to go in.

A-Team

GK - Kelvin (for what he's doing right now)

DF - Reuben Agboola

MF - Johnny Sydenham (legend)

ST - Martin Chivers

UP - Nick Holmes

 

B-Team

GK - Tim Flowers

DF - Mick Mills

MF - Jimmy Gabriel

ST - Steve Moran

UP - James Beattie

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GK - Tim Flowers

DF - Chris Nichol

MF - Rod Wallace

ST - Martin Chivers

UP - Brian O'Neil

 

B-Team

GK - Ian Black

DF - John McGrath

MF - John Sydenham

ST - Alan Shearer

UP - Trevor Hebbard

 

So many players to choose from!

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A-Team

GK - Tim Flowers

DF - Jim Steele

MF - Glen ****erill

ST - Peter Osgood

UP - Ronnie Ekelund

 

B-Team

GK - Tim Flowers

DF - Ken Monkou

MF - Rod Wallace

ST - Alan Shearer

UP - Bobby Stokes

 

Harder than i thought!

Edited by saint_stevo
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A-Team

GK - Tim Flowers

DF - Super Kenny Monkou

MF -Nick Holmes

ST -Steve Moran

UP -Peter Osgood

 

Manager SIR EDRIC THORNTON ( TED ) BATES - Father ( GOD ) of Club - he built us

 

B-Team

GK - Paul Jones

DF -Fran Benali

MF -Matt Oakley

ST -James Beattie

UP -Ronnie Ekelund

 

Manager Lawrie Mac - God Father of club - made offers the players couldn't refuse

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A-Team

GK - Flowers

DF - Mcgrath

MF -O'Neil

ST -Shearer

UP -Holmes

 

B-Team

GK - Martin

DF -Benali

MF - m Mills

ST -Rod Wallace

UP -Puckett) Just HAS to be on the bench!!

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A-Team

GK - Flowers

DF - Osman

MF - Horne

ST - Shearer

UP - Rod Wallace

 

B-Team

GK - Kelvin

DF - Ruddock

MF - Oakley

ST - Walcott

UP - Ekelund

Edited by mynameisthehulk
Didnt notice Jimmy Case was already in the B team starting XI

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A-Team

 

 

Manager SIR EDRIC THORNTON ( TED ) BATES - Father ( GOD ) of Club - he built us

 

B-Team

Manager Lawrie Mac - God Father of club - made offers the players couldn't refuse

 

Good summary of the two of them.

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David Puckett is the ultimate Saints sub. Always number 12.

 

Other than that, I remember a period in the late 80s when Shearer and Ruddock were always on the bench, both pretty useful, so I'll go with them.

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A Team:

Flowers

Monkou

Ekelund

Moran

Beattie

 

B Team

Jones

Ruddock

Oakley

Shearer

Osgood

 

Apart from Jones (surely you must mean another Jones other than Paul) I can't think of two better benches.

 

Paul Jones was an excellent shot stopper but the rest of his game was suspect. Dave Jones should've stuck with Maik Taylor (nice topical debate there).

 

How about Budgie instead, even if only for the gymnastic warm ups and excellent professional fouls (in the days when all you got was a yellow)

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I take it that was a jest..?

 

Straight up, this team would struggle with attacking and defending corners.

 

B-Team

 

----------------------Niemi----------------------

 

Dodd------Lundekvam------Watson---------Dennis

 

D.Wallace----Williams---------Case--------Marsden

 

-------------Keegan--------Pahars---------------

 

Defensively Watson and Lundekvam are well up for it, who is there after that?

 

Attacking-wise this must be the shortest front six (according to their heights on Wiki) ever assembled in top-flight fantasy football?

 

Keegan at 5'8'' was more than decent in the air.

Pahars at 5'9'', can't remember him scoring too many headers?

Wallace at 5'5'', size isn't everything.

Williams at 5'11' but not known for his heading.

Case was another at 5'9'' great tackling, great engine, great passing and shooting.

That leaves CMFG at c5'11'; I can't remember ever seeing him head a ball anywhere on the pitch, let alone head one into the goal?

 

Watson was a useful option attacking-wise but for all the literally '00's of corners he lumbered upfield for how many did Santa score, and how many assists did he provide?

 

A great footballing side f'sure but I'm not sure how practical that selection would be in the modern game?

 

IMO a Keegan/Beattie combo would probably outscore a Keegan/Pahars pairing over a range of situations and oppositions.

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Straight up, this team would struggle with attacking and defending corners.

 

B-Team

 

----------------------Niemi----------------------

 

Dodd------Lundekvam------Watson---------Dennis

 

D.Wallace----Williams---------Case--------Marsden

 

-------------Keegan--------Pahars---------------

 

Defensively Watson and Lundekvam are well up for it, who is there after that?

 

Attacking-wise this must be the shortest front six (according to their heights on Wiki) ever assembled in top-flight fantasy football?

 

Keegan at 5'8'' was more than decent in the air.

Pahars at 5'9'', can't remember him scoring too many headers?

Wallace at 5'5'', size isn't everything.

Williams at 5'11' but not known for his heading.

Case was another at 5'9'' great tackling, great engine, great passing and shooting.

That leaves CMFG at c5'11'; I can't remember ever seeing him head a ball anywhere on the pitch, let alone head one into the goal?

 

Watson was a useful option attacking-wise but for all the literally '00's of corners he lumbered upfield for how many did Santa score, and how many assists did he provide?

 

A great footballing side f'sure but I'm not sure how practical that selection would be in the modern game?

 

IMO a Keegan/Beattie combo would probably outscore a Keegan/Pahars pairing over a range of situations and oppositions.

 

Well perhaps you'll change your mind when you see the B-Team's subs bench. BTW, I see you haven't made your sub's bench selections yet..? You could help bolster the height of the forward line..! Perhaps Paul Rideout ought to be a selection for you..?

 

P.S. Height never seemed to bother Keegan and Steve Moran in the early 80s. They went together like bread and butter, and scored for fun.

Edited by St Landrew

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I've been trying to decide my subs since early today, what with nothing else to do but look at the snow. Every time I think I've settled on my selections, I think of another player, and it upsets the whole applecart.

 

Who thought of this stupid selection method anyway..? ;)

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I've been trying to decide my subs since early today, what with nothing else to do but look at the snow. Every time I think I've settled on my selections, I think of another player, and it upsets the whole applecart.

 

Who thought of this stupid selection method anyway..? ;)

 

you are george Burley or jan poortvliet , and I claim my £5.

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the strikers for A team pretty much picked themselves, but i can't believe keegan and pahars(!) got into the B team ahead of the likes of martin chivers, derek reeves and george o'brien. keegan was only here for 2 years but did score 37 goals, and pahars only 43 in 7 years. chivers scored 106 in 190 games, reeves 173 in 311, and o'brien 180 in 281.

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the strikers for A team pretty much picked themselves, but i can't believe keegan and pahars(!) got into the B team ahead of the likes of martin chivers, derek reeves and george o'brien. keegan was only here for 2 years but did score 37 goals, and pahars only 43 in 7 years. chivers scored 106 in 190 games, reeves 173 in 311, and o'brien 180 in 281.

 

Thing is, this is voting from people's memory. For me, although I rate the players, I find it astonishing that players like Chris Marsden and Marian Pahars get anywhere near the best teams. But this is a fan's vote. I have stipulated, time and time again, that quality is paramount in this vote. But some people don't trust the reputation of footballers they haven't seen, and perhaps rightly so. But if that is the case, how come Mick Channon and Ron Davies made it to the first team in a cakewalk. One would have to put Martin Chivers in with them, in terms of quality. Reeves and O'Brien, largely did their business in lower divisions, but their stats speak for themselves. If they had done them all in the first division, both would have been big contenders. As it stands, they were often nominated.

 

Just shows there have been no fix, unless voters have organised themselves, at times.

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Ekelund barely played for the saints, yet he is in a few selections!

 

what was it, a total of 15 games?

 

Yes, but Ronnie was quality, in team that had a dearth of it, apart from Matty. Saying that, it would be odd if he made it into both best first elevens.

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Thing is, this is voting from people's memory. For me, although I rate the players, I find it astonishing that players like Chris Marsden and Marian Pahars get anywhere near the best teams. But this is a fan's vote. I have stipulated, time and time again, that quality is paramount in this vote. But some people don't trust the reputation of footballers they haven't seen, and perhaps rightly so. But if that is the case, how come Mick Channon and Ron Davies made it to the first team in a cakewalk. One would have to put Martin Chivers in with them, in terms of quality. Reeves and O'Brien, largely did their business in lower divisions, but their stats speak for themselves. If they had done them all in the first division, both would have been big contenders. As it stands, they were often nominated.

 

Just shows there have been no fix, unless voters have organised themselves, at times.

 

reputation certainly counts for a lot. Even if you never saw Channon play, (and he possibly wasn't one of the two most talented strikers we have ever had) his record playing for us almost demands a vote. No other stiker has come near his goal tally or number of England caps while at the club.

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Shouldn't Hugh Fisher be there somewhere?

 

Not really, he was often a substitute himself.

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Not really, he was often a substitute himself.

 

Yes but he was a very good sub - good tackler, good distribution, and scored a fair number of goals. Wasn't it because of Fisher's late equaliser against Villa at home that we won the Cup in 1976?

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Yes but he was a very good sub - good tackler, good distribution, and scored a fair number of goals. Wasn't it because of Fisher's late equaliser against Villa at home that we won the Cup in 1976?

 

Hugh Fisher was a very good player - skillful and combative; I don't think that he figures as an all time great though as he wasn't necessarily an automatic selection for the team that he played in.

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A-Team Subs

GK:- Tim Flowers

DF:- Chris Nichol

MF:- Jimmy Case

F :- Steve Moran

UP:- Nick Holmes - Just has to be in, he was a great heart & soul player for us & a player you always missed when out.

 

B-Team Subs

GK:- Peter Wells

DF:- David Peach (He just has to be in somwhere)

MF:- Rod Wallace

FW:- Marian Pahars

UP :- Tony (super sub) Funnell

 

That was more dificult than I thought it would be, there are a lot of great players picked by everyone & still a load left out.

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A-Team

GK - Tim Flowers - I always preferred him to Shilton

DF - Mick Mills - Could, and did, play anywhere along the back 4

MF - Rod Wallace - Pace, skill and scored great goals

ST - Steve Moran - offers something different to Mick and Ron

UP - Nick Holmes - The 'original' utility player, and a true Saint

 

B-Team

GK - Ivan 'The Kat' Katalinic - this was my hardest place to fill

DF - David Peach - for when Mark Dennis is suspended (and penalties)

MF - Graham Baker - I was 'gutted' when he left Saints

ST - Alan Shearer - if only for debut hat-trick against the Arse

UP - Reuben Agboola - a very underated player

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A-Team

GK - Tim Flowers

DF - Mick Mills

MF - Theo Walcott

ST - Steve Moran

UP - Nick Holmes

 

B-Team

GK - Bruce Grobbelaar

DF - Chris Nicholl

MF - Jim Magilton

ST - Martin Chivers

UP - Steve Mills

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Appreciate the effort people are making. It is hard to pick 5 outstanding players for each team. But one or two posters are selecting players who are already in the A and B team line-ups, and therefore can't be on the bench. Please check before you post.

 

Cheers.

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Straight up, this team would struggle with attacking and defending corners.

 

B-Team

 

----------------------Niemi----------------------

 

Dodd------Lundekvam------Watson---------Dennis

 

D.Wallace----Williams---------Case--------Marsden

 

-------------Keegan--------Pahars---------------

 

Defensively Watson and Lundekvam are well up for it, who is there after that?

 

Attacking-wise this must be the shortest front six (according to their heights on Wiki) ever assembled in top-flight fantasy football?

 

Keegan at 5'8'' was more than decent in the air.

Pahars at 5'9'', can't remember him scoring too many headers?

Wallace at 5'5'', size isn't everything.

Williams at 5'11' but not known for his heading.

Case was another at 5'9'' great tackling, great engine, great passing and shooting.

That leaves CMFG at c5'11'; I can't remember ever seeing him head a ball anywhere on the pitch, let alone head one into the goal?

 

Watson was a useful option attacking-wise but for all the literally '00's of corners he lumbered upfield for how many did Santa score, and how many assists did he provide?

 

A great footballing side f'sure but I'm not sure how practical that selection would be in the modern game?

 

IMO a Keegan/Beattie combo would probably outscore a Keegan/Pahars pairing over a range of situations and oppositions.

 

Sandwich Saint surely you don't carry data re the heights of former saints players in your head. Tell me you had to research that, please.

A question for you - I met a Saints fan in my local in Faversham the day we lost 4-0 to Chelsea (approx 5 years ago) who was on his way home from the match and described for me how Crainie scored a peach of an own goal (bullet header from corner) on what I think was his debut. That man told me he came from Sandwich. I can't believe Sandwich contains many Southampton fans. Was that man you Sandwich Saint?

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This thread is now ended. I've finally added them all up [what a bloody struggle that turned out to be], and now I have sore neck and shoulders, and my eyes are like p!ssholes in the snow, because they got tired before I found my specs. As you know, there were loads of players chosen, and it was my task to sort them out. Luckily, there were very few problem with same numbers, and so there was in the way of counting back, so to speak, in order to get a result. So the Subs benches sit like this:

 

A-Team

 

GK: Tim Flowers

DF: Ken Monkou

MF: Rod Wallace

ST: Steve Moran

UP: Nick Holmes

 

B-Team

 

GK: Kelvin Davis

DF: Mick Mills

MF: Ronnie Ekelund

ST: Alan Shearer

UP: Peter Osgood

 

There's some quality here to compliment each starting XI, and I think they fit in quite well too. Some slight personal disappointments for me, in David Peach and Martin Chivers missing out. James Beattie came very close, and would have been worthy of a place. John Sydenham came in the middle of the pack, but he was surrounded by newer memories. Notable complete absentees include Kevin Phillips [surely you don't all hate him that much], FA Cup Final winning skipper Peter Rodrigues, Derek Reeves, Kevin Davies, Tom Jenkins, etc.. But it was nice to see players like Brian O'Neil, Glenn Co ckerill, and Paul Rideout getting a mention.

 

Overall It's been fun for me, and I hope it's been fun and entertaining for you. Coming up is the last week and now it's time to decide the manager for each team. I've a feeling this is going to be a close finish, and it might turn out to be the most controversial poll of the lot. Nominations in the next thread please.

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Oops. Rod, not Rob

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