puff the magic dragon

It also somewhat tiresome that virtually every thread turns into a pro-Lowe versus anti-Lowe debate and with the the large majority of posters you know exactly what they will have written without the need to read the post itself

 

It's a reflection on where we are right now at a very low ebb and a massively fractured support base.

I listened to an interesting discussion involving Jimmy Case on the radio some time ago and he described the club as a triangle.

One point of the triangle is the fans.

One point of the traingle is the team.

One point of the traingle is the board.

If the triangle is broken the club is not united and a divided club cannot be sucessful.

Either the fans get behind Lowe and the board OR Lowe and the board need to go. It's clear that fans will never be united behind Lowe and Wilde so the triangle will remain broken until they go.

Is it just me or is the Forum like out football team, in decline the spark feels as if it has gone out of it, IMO of course.

It's not just you, i think there's an air of resignation amongst supporters now. What's the point of bravado, passion and optimism when it's futile?

The club is like a runaway train now. The breaks are burnt out and the momentum is unstoppable. The only question is when, not if, we derail spectacularly.

24 Southampton 48.2%

Good.

Serves Scouse Mike right for allowing Lowe back.

It might sound stupid but Chris Marden was our new Matt Le Tissier.

He was like Steven Gerrard is to Liverpool and Frank Lampard is to chelsea.

OK he wasn't in their league skill wise, but he could run the show. Since he left he's never been replaced and as they say it's all history from there.

The 2-0 boxing day defeat away at Fulham in 2003. We were 4th at the time but things just started to unravel after this.

 

3-0 FA Cup home defeat to Newcastle, Strachan Leaving, Killer getting injured etc etc

Yep, it was around this time that things started going wrong. Strachan had inherrited a good team from Hoddle and he'd got lucky with an easy run in the cup. Also with Chris Marsden he had an anchorman in midfield who ran the show. Marsden then left and Saints started resembling Coventry. Strachan could see what was on the cards and got out at just the right time.

Leon Crouch is a good part of the reason why we have not been able to find investment! You guys are incredible, it is like discussing things with a bunch of goldfish who can't remember what happened more than a month ago.

We remember how bad Lowe and Wilde were very well.

Leon Crouch may not be many things but he is, imo, the most trustworthy and genuine.

A Question for everyone. Who out of Lowe, Wilde and Crouch do you trust the least?

he is a fan but fans should never be involved in the running of a football club imo...............................precisely why the saints trust is like flogging a dead horse.

Are you for real? Crouch is a self made multi millionnaire. He didn't get where he is by being a mug. He was streetwise enough to appoint Nigel Pearson who should have been allowed to become a Saints Legend. And during his brief spell he started putting right the mess created by Lowe and then Wildes Execs by reducing costs loaning out top earners and proposing the closure of the corners.

Above all Leon Crouch is an honourable and generous man. He has the ethics we deserve in a chairman of our once proud club.

I assume he doesn't need all of that, why can't he put £2m of it into Saints.

Because Saints is a PLC. Why would he want to throw his money into a PLC to the financial benefit or his arch enemies Lowe and Wilde?

Well don't forget to invite me to your street party when that happens then.

Honestly i don't know why some of you blokes bother .

If the lack of confidence on global stockmarkets isn't reversed with the mind bogling sums govts. around the world are spending, then there is every likelyhood things could get a lot worse and the recession could turn into a depression. This is why Brown has taken the £500b gamble (which could end up making the country a big profit as it did Norway a few years back). If and when this happens liquidation would be a real possibility.

Looking at the global recession and the fact banks - institutions that should be rock solid - are having to be propped up, it doesn't bode well for Saints or a long list of other clubs that are not financially viable because they've lived beyond their means.

I'm positive that Saints will end up in administration, but given the recession - which is looking like it could turn into a depression - the very existance of SFC is imo now in doubt.

In hindsight perhaps winning on the final day against Sheff Utd was a disaster because i'm sure we'd have been mopped up had hat happened. I'm not so sure we'd be mopped up now and with every passing day the likelyhood of liquidation becomes more probable.

My glass is half full - not half empty!

I live in the real world - not sweetie land!

On this day (October 6th) last season - we played West Brom at home. At the time - we were 2 points above the relegation zone. October 6th this year - we're 3 points above the drop zone.

 

I call that progress!!!

I call that same sh1t different season!!!

Well I don't want to be picky SS but I think a quick look at the league tables before and after the weekend will quite conclusively prove that we aren't on the way up.

 

Call me a doom merchant if you will but dropping five places is definately DOWNWARDS.

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The disaster that is happening to this club is the ignorance and moronic stupidity of the stay away fans who think their efforts will oust Lowe and make the club stronger when it will actually bring it to it's knees.

Give the boy a gold star.

I can't speak for all the stay-aways, but speaking for myself I am boycotting to bring the club to it's knees. You see my friend I want the club to go into administration, I want the PLC to go under, I want Lowe and Wilde to lose their investment.

Even if Saints end up in league 2 I don't care. So long as the cloud of Lowe is gone i'll be happy.

So there you are, you right my little Sunny Delight.

Yeah, he left it so healthy that we lost £9,000,000 cash out he door, and that was even after receiving £7m from the parachute payments.

 

He left a Club with a cash deficit of something like £16,000,000 per annum.

 

A Club whose income had fallen so much, that after the last years parachute payment, income would go down from £45m-£50m to something like £14m!!!!!!

 

He left a busted flush.

 

I have no doubt that some of the financial decisions by the new regime were poor (particularly not attempting to cut back last summer), but the idea that he left a stable Club is pure fantasy.

Both him and Cowen also left with a big fat severence pay-off. If Lowe and Cowen cared so much about SFC they a) wouldn't have demanded it, and b) would have given it back on their return.

Question for Rupies groupies - why should i put any money into SFC PLC when your beloved Rupert milked the club in it's hour of need?

You soon changed your tune Delldays.

But I thought that was obvious as soon as Rupert arrived and appointed J.P.

 

The target (as far as R.L was concerned, in my opinion), was to develop the youngsters at an early stage. Enough to attract attention from possible buyers, to sell players in January to satisfy the bank. At the end of the day they're a commodity and nothing else.

Until Southampton Leisure Holdings PLC dies the club will always be about making money for shareholders/protecting their interests as best as possible. SFC is all about what is best for Rupert Lowe and the rest of them who jumped on the gravy train when the times were good.

Commentators on SaintsTV sound like a Scooby/Sundance double act.

"19 minutes to play we could get 3 and win 4-3, what an amazing comeback that would be"

I'm gonna change my prediction.

Coventry 0 - 1 Saints

We've got lucky in our last two games, but our luck runs out.

Coventry 2-0 Saints

ALWAYS AN EXCUSE. I can't make it because I can't afford it when saints suddenly do well, they all come running back

When the team is worth watching those on moderate incomes sacrifice in other areas to be able to afford to watch it. Can you blame fans for considering that it's a waste of money to pay to watch crap?

southampton is for life not just the premiership...........not even just for the top half of the championship,or wether or not lowe is in charge.

get out and support your team.

I do and I will continue to support Saints away from home. As far as i'm concerned the lower the home gates the better. With every pitiful gate it pushes the club closer to administration and sooner rather than later poor old Rupert and Mike will be shafted.

Cue the "you're not a real fan" and "administration will be a disaster" replies, but quite frankly nothing could be worse than having a club under the stewardship of Lowe and Wilde. They'll take us into administration eventually anyway so those boycotting are merely excellerating an inevitable process.

Rock bottom is where this club is heading and until we've hit it, and Lowe and Wilde are gone for good, we cannot rise again.

Every real Saints fan does. But Um Pahars can't stand to admit that anything Rupert Lowe does could possibly be positive for Saints.

The only positive thing Rupert Lowe could do for Saints is to sling his hook.

You sad ignorant individual. Are you just simple or just a vindictive, vacuous cretin? You are no doubt the chav who put the chav in Chaventry as you don't seem to have the intelligence to realise that by avoiding home games you and others like you are not feathering Lowes nest but your action is more akin to dumping in your own home and preventing the opportunity for the club to lay a few more eggs in the nest and continue its re-birth.

 

Continuing on a feathered theme you show all the attributes of a cuckoo and to put it mildly you are at best completely cuckoo. Even Leon Crouch still supports the team at home and I suspect he has more to be miffed at than you and your pathetic little protest.

 

People talk about the fantastic support at Doncaster but if half our number were there because they can't see their team play at home because they are prejudice towards the board their support, if we can call it that, is questionable, unhelpful (feathering the nest of our opponents instaed of ourselves) and about as welcome as the bell ringing skate in the Northam.

 

Clearly, you support a plan of all Saints fans going to away games and stay away from home games just to oust Lowe? If we all did that your plan would succeed but there would be nothing left to takeover. Can your tiny mind understand that? Thankfully, between 13,000 and 14,000 of us are bemused by your 'protest' and look forward to seeing you back at SMS when you realise you may actually be missing out on something worthwhile. Personally, you will be about as welcome as the plastic premiership fans or god forbid some half-baked consortium based takeover.

 

The future of this club is in the hands of those at the club today from groundstaff all the way through to the players, coaches and directors. Deal with it and support their collective efforts or find another club worthy of your so called support.

Looking for a bite?

Nah i won't bother, i pity you Sundance. They're even starting threads about you on B-anter now...

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