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  1. Im not sure if this info can be correct as there is no way Bournemouth could pay Hughes 15k a week

     

    I heard it was closer to £20k. He'll not be going anywhere this season unless the skates pay about 70% of his wages.

     

    And the rest :uhoh: :lol:

     

    I'm surprised for fans who pride themselves on how well informed they are (not to mention how far up their own arses) just how much you get wrong. Granty confidently reported a while back when you were all pontificating (again) about how much our players were paid that Hughes was on £35K a week. It's now come out that he's on £22K a week. Still big money for an average player but demonstrates that you've got no idea how much our players are paid. Bleating on about how much we're paying for loan players when you have no idea what the deal is. I saw someone post that we're paying £16K a week for Halford. I'd be interested to see a link confirming how much we're paying him so please, post away.

     

    So basically Portsmouth just stole £1m from Spurs.

     

    Dirty, cheating, lying c()nts

     

    the article confuses it by mentioning sell on clauses - looks more like Harry gave them an interest-free loan as a Begovic deposit tied to the Kaboul deal, and they sold him and trousered it.

    So by loaning money and through transfer activity, Spurs did more than any other club to help them try to avoid admin, thus reducing the chances of a full investigation into where the money went.

     

    In your ridiculous bitterness towards Pompey you now can't even digest basic facts from a Guardian article. There was no £1m advance. Azougy did a deal with Spurs for Kaboul and Begovic to join them at a combined fee. Begovic wanted first team football and refused to go so we sold him to Stoke. Spurs say that the fee agreed was a joint one for the two players and are claiming £1m as only one player joined - but they still signed Kaboul and that's why PFC are disputing we owe them anything for a player they didn't sign. Depends if they have any paperwork from Azougy confirming the deal they're claiming.

     

    As for the other post about Redknapp/ Spurs giving us an interest free loan. PMSL. Read the article before jumping on your high horses and developing ludicrous conspiracy theories.

  2. So you say Android lied?

     

    So let me get this straight. HMRC claimed £17m + £15m = £32m. If debt was £35m, then there is hardly anyone else being owed apart from the tax man. Therefore I am surprised no one, apart from Chin, bought the club.

     

    You could alway try reading what I actually wrote I suppose. I said BEFORE CHAINRAI ARRIVED our debt was around £35m. That included some arrears to HMRC but nothing like the level it eventually reached. After he arrived, it escalated, which can only mean that Chainrai either couldn't or refused to pay them. You're also being selective in saying we owed them £32m as that included their claim for image rights payments that the court decided wasn't valid. The fact is our debts since Chainrai took over have escalated dramatically and has seen him gain secured creditor status AND get the club for nothing. Is it any wonder Pompey fans look at the FL and ask how he passed a FAPP test?

     

    Corp. Every post of yours mentions the two 4-1`s. Cherry picking or what?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Coast_derby#All-time_results

     

    In all competitions :- Saints 19 wins, Poopey 9 wins and 8 drawn games. We even won more of the games at Farton than you did. But if it keeps you happy...........

     

    19 - 9 PMSL!!

     

    I know the results history. But believe me, it's you lot who bring up the 4 - 1 results all the time on here, banging on about it as an illegal result. If that's not bitter I don't know what is.

     

    Are you honestly trying to claim that the financial recklessness and irregularities, by the CEO and owners of the club, engineered through the club (your problems started way before AA came on the scene) have nothing to do with the club?

    See post above. The debts have risen/ been engineered/ manipulated upwards since Chainrai arrived. Before then they were nowhere near that level.

     

    When your in an FA cup final, or playing in Europe or playing in the PL with Diarra and Muntari on god knows what wages, the success it brings has everything to do with the club.

    But any debt we had when we won the cup was being serviced. And the profit we made when selling Diarra, Muntari, Johnson, Defoe, and various others should have been more than enough to pay those debts, even with the salaries we were paying them. Or would you disagree with that assessment?

     

    It was Storrie who wrecked your club, and it was his actions that ultimately led Pompey to have a bent administrator and ultimately money lender and asset stripper being in charge. The fans don't do themselves a lot of favours by marching downtown and wailing how it's all the PL's fault and holding "fit and proper?" cards up. The PL got their info from somewhere (see the common denominator here?) and it doesn't help that even now Pompey fans are demanding Chainrai open his chequebook to sign more players. Don't they understand what a money lender is?

    You really haven't been paying attention have you? Chainrai loaned no money to PFC. He loaned it to a company called Falcondrone, a company he now owns (and many suspect always did). PFC never saw a penny of the cash but it gained him a guarantee of getting the money back and ownership of the club. Storrie's actions in signing players didn't always pay off but like I said before, the profit we made on many of the players we signed should have offset our debts. It was Chainrai who brought in Andronikou and I said on here at the time that the only result of his involvment would be Chainrai getting the club cheap out of admin (look back at my posts to see). Chainrai and Kushnir's names were known to the PL as they were named as al Faraj's backers when he tried to buy the club from Gaydamak. PFC never asked Chainrai to get involved. He engineered the whole thing. And you wonder why some of us question the FAPPT?

     

    I think Corps bitterness is there for all to see.

     

    as ever, some of them just don't get it.

     

    Just out of admin, having taken almost everybody to the cleaners financially, (not least the taxpayer).

    So....like other teams you either cut your cloth (journeymen players etc) OR you have an owner prepared to fund your exotic lifestyle. But poopey want it both ways. They want PL quality players at PL costs, but also want to whinge to the whole world about threadbare squads whilst loaning out perfectly decent players , and paying 3 times what they can afford on their top earners.

     

    As the albion board shows, a lot of other fans are pretty upset by the way they have behaved.

     

    And if corpse thinks its just embittered Saints fans who they have upset then he really is deluded.. ...

     

    Most other fans don't know the full facts about the way Chainrai gained control and put us into admin though. I imagine Saints fans do because you're always bigging yourself up so much on here about how clever you are (despite getting pretty much everything wrong throughout this thread).

     

    Lol@ Corpy Ho Ho Ho. 4th highest wage bill, smallest squad, what does that tell you my fishy friend. How do you justify getting rid of of your low earners (meaning, your youth and those deemed not good enough for the mighty Poopy), and brining in PL standard player on more money than the CVA buget allows?

     

    It tells me that we have players in our squad on high wages that we can't shift as they have contracts. Stupid not to have relegation clauses in their contracts but as they didn't, what do you suggest we do about it?

     

  3. So you think its OK for a club to completly take the P**s out of every other club in the league continually for a couple of years then when it all goes arse up everyone should help that club out of the crap it put its self in with no regard as to who was shafted in the mean time?

     

    If it were us that stooped so low you would be all over it like your mums rash.

     

    x

     

    Assuming you'referring to our debt, before Chainrai came in we were about £35m in debt. That somehow rose to the £132m Andronikou quoted. Our financial problems have been engineered/ manipulated by these crooks for their own benefit but somehow, in your (Saints fans) hatred and bitterness to PFC it's become the club's/ fans fault. We had no problems with HMRC up until Gaydamak stopped funding and Standard Bank called in a £40m loan overnight - a bit more than the £6K that caused your problems eh?

     

    You lot constantly bleat about wages for loan players with absolutely no clue about how much we're paying them, whether we're paying anything of their wages or a percentage. You say we should have moved players on to cut the wage bill but they're on contracts and refuse to leave. You pick on one post by a Pompey fan on a messageboard somewhere and somehow it becomes representative of every Pompey fans views but ignore the fact that Saints fans post incredibly dumb comments on this very board (Lambert for England anyone?).

     

    The year we were promoted the common view on here was that we bought it. Now you're doing just that it's apparently completely acceptable. It's all so laughable. Or would be if anything new got posted. It's just the same old ****, going round and round and round and it's dull and boring.

     

    It used to be a really good laugh on this board but Christ, you lot got so bitter about seeing us above you after relegation and then the cup win. It's so dull.

     

    4 -1 x 2. PMSL

  4. Christ, I can't believe you retards are STILL going round and round in circles about this.

     

    One minute you're moaning that we have the highest paid squad in the Championship (we don't, but let's not let that stop you eh) and then you're moaning when we're trying to stop paying Brown £35K a week to take him up until he's 36. Not only that but how are we supposed to get the likes of Utaka off the wage bill when they have a contract and refuse to leave? Bleating about the youth players on loan is very boring too. In effect it's only one player, Marlon Pack. Ritchie who's now going to Swindon permanently was offered a new contract but turned it down.

     

    I know those two 4 - 1 defeats hurt but let it go now. 722 pages of bitterness is enough, surely?

  5. But Ho, the opinion of most of us is that the possible fraud did not START with Chanrai & Kushnir. It started way back, possibly in the way Milan ran the club, most probably in the way Sacha came onboard and then ran the club.

     

    The whole mathematics of where did young Gayboys money come from and who was really the beneficial owner never added up, and yet your lot still celebrated the ill gotten gains, you personally still came on here to boast about your billionaire.

     

    It has been mentioned before, about some humility and about understanding the wrongs, you are finally showing some of that, but again, it is not just the PL that owes the Duty of Care, the fans do as well. Morally we had infighting, we had boycotts and. thanks to a young kid, we had protest marches. It at least showed we were not happy with the status quo. Your lot were happy, don't blame JUST the PL, they share guilt in the matter, but so do many of you lot.

     

    HOWEVER, now is the time to start to do something, stop with the unfairness protests and start with the demanding answers protests. Go picket PL HQ and demand that they investigate themselves, make a complaint to the fraud squad yourselves. Start taking a stance and earning the right to some moral high ground.

     

    Perhaps even start a petition to hand back the FA Cup you won and apologise.

     

    Sorry mate, rewriting history again. I've never boasted about anything. I didn't even come on here gloating when we won the cup (although I did read everyone's posts and laughed myself silly at 99% of you lot saying we only won it because we played lower league opposition all the way through - and I laugh now at, again, the rewriting of history as that's been changed to we "cheated" to win it when there was no mention of that at the time).

     

    But again, you show either a complete disregard for or a wilful ignorance of the facts on the actions of Pompey fans. Before you start bigging up yourselves (again) for your protests try and remember that a group of Pompey fans actually got to meet with the PL to discuss their concernsand a mass rally was planned only to be scuppered by the local paper, who have been pro Chainrai from the start running a story that it had been cancelled (there's one for conspiracy theorists). We've also had several of our fans in contact with various journalists and publishing stories that have been picked up by the media (large chunks of both the recent Spectator and Martin Samuel pieces were lifted from articles published online by Pompey fans).

     

    Stop bigging yourself up all the time and I might be a bit more civil. You remind me of what a german player said of Ballack - if he were made of chocolate he'd lick himself

  6. When the skate fans presented a web identifying all the gun runners and launderers and how they are connected (and have been all along), the FA/PL acknowledged it, but said they had an even bigger web!

     

    We could expose the cover up!

     

    I think this is the bit of Martin Samuel`s report that is of interest:-

     

    "If reports alleging that Ali Al Faraj, the former owner of Portsmouth, did not exist are true, this is no longer a matter for the football authorities but the fraud squad. There comes a point where the plight of this sorry club no longer becomes a cheap punchline or a morality tale for the sports pages, and it has been reached.

     

    Passport details were provided to the Premier League for screening as part of a fit and proper persons test, and if these were to prove false a serious offence has been committed. If police were to summon the evasive Al Faraj for questioning, who would turn up? Surely it is worth finding out."

     

    It sure is!!

     

    I think it centres around the well-publicised legal disputes between Gaydamak (Snr) and Chainrai/Kushnir in the past.

     

    They became interested because they were still owed money by Gaydamak and saw that the club was listed among his assets in an Israeli newspaper. It was obvious that he wouldn't sell the club to them, so they made up some non-existent Arab to effectively "flip" the club, but they had to string it out for a bit longer to make it seem credible (:lol:).

     

    http://www.twohundredpercent.net/?p=9896

     

    An Excellent Piece and the media bandwagon is slowly starting to catch on..... This might not be all over.

     

    Couple of points. Outside of nobody ever meeting al mirage, a picture of al mirage was provided to the Premier league with all the paperwork and the picture was provided by "Getty Images" (Worlds largest photo libary company)............ Who have now said they didnt provide it and have no picture of al mirage.

     

    Ok ok, so it's not much, but then if you follow the logic of Ali Al Faraj........... That means;

     

    The current Portsmouth owner, Balram Chainrai, became part of the Portsmouth “saga” when he loaned money to a company owned by a man who didn’t exist, making Chainrai complicit or careless to the point of negligence

     

    Where does the Prem FaPP test dept now stand if it has approved someone through a vigorous examination who presented nothing but a false passport and a photo that no one would verify?

    Completely incompetent and terminally damaged I would suggest.

     

    And where does Mr Chanrai stand if he has been complicit in this deception by financing the con through an imaginary loan, and then the aggressive ownership takeover through the defaulting on the imaginary loan?

    No money lender does business with someone they can't identify - unless they have assurances that it will be worth their while.

     

    If the very existence of Mr Faraj cannot be confirmed then there must be a whole lot of questions for many to answer, and evidence that the football club has been used as a criminal punchbag gathers, meaning we should think soon about whether we should have some sympathy for any of the fans....!

     

    Good to see both you and the press have finally caught up with what Pompey fans have been telling you for months on here. The whole thing was a con to allow Chainrai and Kushnir to take over with no outlay. The non payment of the HMRC would therefore seem to have been deliberately orchestrated to push us into admin and allow their takeover with Andronikou's collusion. That would seem to me to be fraud plain and simple. It also makes me ask the question, when for ages you were ridiculing Pompey fans saying the PL had anything to answer for our problems, have you revised that opinion now as it's clear that they had a duty of care to one of their member clubs that they failed in spectacularly.

     

    Leaving aside the fact it's PFC, if this had happened to Saints would you feel the PL had been at best negligent and at worst partly complicit in a massive case of fraud?

  7. Maybe the naional media are now getting it.....

     

    bbc_matt

     

    RT @psandys Please read/RT - Excellent research on #pompey deserves wider audience http://bit.ly/cujMgwclock12.png about 4 hours ago via web

     

    "Maybe the national media are now getting it"? LOL

     

    Did you not see where the article originated? It's by a Pompey fan (I Like Diop on Pompey Online). Pretty much any articles that the national media have done about the crooks around Pompey have been lifted almost wholesale from articles like this one by Pompey fans who have been pushing for action.

  8. Listen to yourself you filthy degenerate skate ****ing ****. just ****ing listen to yourself. not a shed of intergrity left inside you. sod the drawbridge im gonna ask al queada to drop an east midlands airplane right on the 275 and lock you webb toed ****s away and stop this illness spreading outside of portsea.

     

    You have set the English game back generations, you have potentially destroyed the game forever, the country will forever hold you responsible for the downfall of our national game.

     

    Your city is tarnished, to 'a level you could not quite believe'. Not just the odd 100ft dinosour sculpture burning down, not just generation after generation of uneducated, revenue and resource draining window licking ****s, not even just hounding pediatrictions out of there homes.

     

    You couldnt even rebuild QA hospital without mugging the tax payer of another £130m, could you, you silly skate ****.

     

    How about you go and choke on a real ****ing camels toe, you might even get to meet Ali Al Faraj whilst your there.

     

    Like a ****ing disease.

     

    PMSL? How many mistakes can one idiot make in just one post? Best Ive seen on here for months

     

    And you lot have the temerity to have a pop at intelligence levels in Portsmouth.

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    Pretty sure Lampitt's role is (was) to avoid the cesspit overflowing. Will be interesting to see what happens now he has been pushed to one side.

     

    Lots of conspiracy theories on here about Lampitt being a FL plant. From what I hear, it's exactly the opposite. Ask yourself who appointed him and why. Remember the old hippy slogan - "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem". Which one is Lampitt?

     

    That is why his name was sung at FP on at least one occaision last season then??

     

    I said the majority called him Storrie teller. Some did sing his name, but it was very few. Unsursrisingly, just like Saints fans, different Pompey fans have different opinions.

     

    NO one whinged abolut you 'cheating' when you won the cup, because at that time, possibly like you it was a) no known that you had not been paying Mr Taxman, and in principle if can afford a loan, the the repayments etc than legally nothing wrong and you can spend it on what you wish... unfortunately, itb was in effect cheating which has come to light with the benefit of hindisght in that a) you could not actually afford any repyent, b) the club had no plan in place to repay it (even a Champions league 20 mil + extra revenue, would have left you with a debt mountain - which not being a brief, I cant comment on the legality of ) c) you had not been paying the taxman, and perhaps the most important point, this debt did not even go on decent infrastructure... just ****ed against a wall on the hope of transient success through rapidly depreciating player assets.

     

    The 'cheat' tag as you probaly well know refere to the simple fact that prior to that cup win in at the start of that season, it was was reported in the media (and not challenged by the club) that you were close to 40 mil in debt already (unsecured) - what did the club do? Did it shed big earners, recognise it could not go that way, understand the footballing consequences? NO, it kept spending on players that the clubs around them on similar levels of standard revenue, could not afford creating an unfair competitive advantage.

     

    FC, you make some intelligent points but again like others fail to give a balanced picture. For instance, how much did we owe HMRC back in 2008? Nothing to very little as far as I know. Yes, we were £40m in debt but with £40m odd a year coming in from TV and more from gate money. Not forgetting that most PL clubs were in far more debt than us (and still are, check out Fulham for example). But, the fact is that we had a squad that probably doubled what we paid for those players in transfer revenue when we came to sell them. Distin, Diarra, Muntari, Johnson, Benjani - look at what we paid for them and what we sold them for. I accept that we paid a lot in wages but for a total transfer outlay of about £8m on that lot we recouped around £60m in fees. Again I accept that it's a gamble but it's not as simple as you saying we were £40m in debt and that's it. We had quality assets and if we'd carried on like that, selling a player or two a year for big profits and building the squad that way it's a decent recipe. It's no good you guys saying we should have invested in infrastructure - how many times have we talked about a new ground for Pompey on here? Pompey fans want a new ground and want someone to invest in that. You can't blame us fans for that lack of investment. The problem came when Gaydamak stopped funding and Standard Bank called in a £40m loan overnight. It's what happened to you to put you into admin but on a bigger scale. Yes you got a new stadium but don't you think Pompey fans want that sort of investment?

     

    Whatever anyone says, nothing will persuade me me from my view that Pompey had enough assets to sell to avoid the recent collapse but they've been used in a business scam for other people's financial benefit.

  10. Dear Ho.

     

    Do you have acces to ANY independent confirmation or evidence to corroborate your statement, especially concerning the debt levels and collusion?

     

    If you do, then I suggest that you may be able to qualify for several hundred years of extra tax benefits by passing that across to HMRC.

     

    If you do NOT then you really should be a bit more careful and learn to type the word allegedly in your missives.

     

    FWIW allegedly I agree with you. (But NOT on the Cheating Part)

     

    Oh and the scam as you call it dates back to "Why did Storrie TRY and bring in Al Faraj? Why was Al Fahim suddenly rolled into view?"

     

    A Kindergarten level of research would have revealed that something was wrong at that stage.

     

    (Jeez - even our dear LLS managed to work that one out for himself, how come "Freedom of The City Supertsars" couldn't? Surely not? this would mean that LLS is a far better Businessman and expert in Football Club takeovers than your previously revered Leadership!)

     

    And yet it did not stop the "We've been bought by billionaire" posting embarrassment of some of the Few on here

     

    Phil, for an intelligent guy you miss quite a lot (especially thinking that typing "allegedly" in front of something would protect you legally). There's been far worse posted on here about various things so if Granty and Baj want to delete it feel free. You mention our "previously revered leadership" but Storrie has never been revered by the majority of Pompey fans. He's been called Storrie Teller by most of our lot since he joined. But your point about the Faraj/ Fahim takeovers misses some key info. Gaydamak refused to sell to Faraj because of who his backers were - Chainrai and Kushnir. Their names were confirmed to the PL at the time which the PL admitted when they met with the Pompey fans. This makes a mockery of Chainrai's claim that he only got involved in October last year. Fahim had the money via his backers who assumed they'd get through the FAPPT but that went tits up so he sold to Faraj. Faraj did show proof of funds and I've been told by someone involved how much he was showing as available. Where that came from who knows (I have my suspicions) but of course it never materialised and that allowed Chainrai to step in seeing a "business opportunity" with his loan. A loan to Falcondrone (a company he was already involved with, not to PFC) which when Faraj defaulted on it meant he could seize the club. It's money the club never saw, gained no advantage from and was routed from the BVI to the BVI. So now Chainrai effectively has the club and because it was Portpin who loaned the money somehow also becomes a secured creditor for this mystery amount.

     

    A scam or a brilliant manipulation of the law? You decide

     

    Ho, I had many tussles with you regarding the wages and debts you were running up at that time and well before that. I recall also when the papers came out and said you were 100m in debt and you came back and scoffed at it.

    As for saying Pompey did not owe 138m but only half !!!! For the club to have the debt they had to take it on. It is obvious when you are paying Crouchs of the world (as reported at the time 90k pw) but even if it was 50k and he was only 1 , you dont have to go long before you have massive debts. Saints were losing 500k a month with decent gates and average squad. We cant even say Sky money was that high in that period to offset yours. Add to that all the transfer fees and interest you were stacking up and at i suggest high rates and the debt soon becomes a mountain.

    As for blaming you as a fan for supporting the regime, i personally don't there is little i believe you could do to stop them, and anyway we all forget things during the good days. Under Lowe there were no protests as we went to Cardiff. I have as you know pulled you and your fans up for showing no remorse or shame that your club has stolen from small family businesses (twice) and you brushed that aside. This was before you went into Admin the 2nd time.

     

    Nick, pretty much all PL clubs are running at a loss (not just PL clubs I might add) so debt is not a surprise. You say here you were losing at least £6m a year (players you couldn't afford? CHEATS). Most businesses have debts or loans. We believed (as you lot did) that the money was coming from Gaydamak, not from loans, in the same way Chelsea or Man City are run. And the fact is that when we won the cup the debt was affordable because there wasn't an issue servicing the debt. Many of the players on high wages like Distin and Campbell were free transfers so while the wages were high if you factored in what we saved on transfers it probably evened out. I'll give you an example - we could have bought an average PL defender and paid £3m for him and paid him £30K a week for two years and it would have cost us £6m. Or we could sign Distin on a free and pay him £60K a week and it wouldn't have cost us any more. Buying the likes of Crouch and Defoe was a mistake and we paid them too much but neither was involved in the cup win.

     

    As for going into administration twice, I've constantly told you that the first time was because Martin Gregory loaded debt onto the club. Someone on here disputes that it was to keep his other business running, that's what was reported at the time but he DID take out massive loans secured on the club for personal reasons of some sort and that's what drove us into admin. This time, it's pretty clear to see that whilst we had debts they could have been serviceable via PL money or parachute payments had the likes of Fahim or Faraj not been allowed to take over with either no hope or no intention of running the club legitamately which then saw the debt to HMRC etc escalate - deliberately so in my opinion

  11. You are correct in your assertion that the accurate debt to 'real' creditors was nearer to £60 million than £120 million !

    Given this fact, the HMRC figure of around £30 million is about 50%, therefore, the CVA manipulated by Android should have been invalid !

    Even by your own twisted logic you surely have to accept that this is CHEATING, no ?

    You can't have it all ways, you know, either you dumped £100 mil + worth of bad debts or you cheated the CVA, please take your pick !

     

    Don't expect an answer from Corp on this one. There is more likelihood of Rednapp being declared Pope than Corp sensibly answering a direct question like this.

     

    You really are a bunch of 'tards sometimes. It just proves that you don't actually read what I post on here. Since the day Andronikou was appointed I've always said he was nothing that Chainrai's ***** and that no-one else would be allowed to buy the club but dear old BC. Plenty on here have used the £120m figure (it was actually £138m if I remember correctly) regarding the "debt" and I've constantly said that the figure was nowhere near that figure and in relity not even at that level as the amounts we "owe" Chainrai and Gaydamak are dubious to say the least. My opinion is that Andronikou conned the courts and look back at my posts and it was me that highlighted a piece in one of the broadsheets detailing his previous cons. My issue is you calling PFC cheats when what is actually being perpetrated by Chainrai, Kushnir and Andronikou is a crime, not cheating and it's nothing to do with the club.

     

    But onto the subject of us "cheating" to win the cup, tis is where you lot achieve world class distinction in revisionism. When we won there was no mention by you of us "cheating". Apparently 99% of you thought we won because we only had to play lower league opposition - so there was no need for us to cheat was there? There was a mention the other day that our Man U win wa only because they were down to 10 men and Ferdinand was in goal - but no mention that this was because their keeper had been sent off for bringing down Baros in front of an empty net. This is why I always accuse you of being bitter and jealous about our cup win because there was never even a tacit admission that we deserved it because we beat the teams put in front of us. And the tax and transfer fees were all being paid back then too so just let it drop because all it makes you look like a bunch of spoilt children.

     

    Perish the thought that AA was working for Chanrai: wouldn't that be another censure by a High Court judge? We know that AA has previous form in acting preferentially when his legal remit, let's all remember, is to act for all the creditors. Any thoughts on this aspect?

     

    See my post above and refer back to my post highlighting his previous slimey misdeeds. The whole thing has been a scam from start to finish, ever since al Faraj bought the club from Fahim.

     

    Oh, and Sue, don't start mentioning thngs like Socratic dialogue on here, it makes you look desperate to impress and very, very needy, not to mention a pseud of the highest order

  12. :lol: You still don't understand why you owed the owners money do you?

     

    You really are a total dumb-ass.

     

     

    No, Im not. We owe Chainrai £16m for a loan that one of his companies (Portpin) lent another of his companies (Falcondrone). Andronikou let slip in court that both companies are his. That money never reached the club but was funnelled straight back to the BVI. So when Faraj "defaulted" on the "loan" Chainrai got the club. So if he's got the club why should we still owe him the £16m? Similarly with Gaydamaks £35m. We "owe" him that because that's the value he put on some land to Fahim when he sold him the club that's actual value is perhaps 20% of that. My concern over these "debts" makes me a dumb ass does it? Would you be happy with those debts if they applied to Saints? I think not

     

    I think he will sell it on corp. He has just dropped 100 million quids worth of debt, has secured status over the 18 million he is owed, he has already had 4 million back, so even if he sells it for 10 million that is pure profit and with a guarantee that the parchute payments have his secured debt covered.

     

    In less than 4 months, that guy from hull will be in charge.

     

    But how much more than that £10m can he make by selling Kitson, Lawrence, Nugent and anyone else he can in January then folding the club us unsustainable and selling the land for market value or developing on it himself? There's a council ban on it as we know but he can let it crumble away for years and eventually he'll get planning permission. And let's not forget the counts still got his £16m secured. For someone who made a phantom loan to one of his own companies you almost have to stand back and admire it

     

    I really hope you're actually right on this one. :)

     

    The thing that makes me think you might be wrong is that I can't see why Andronikou would have sanctioned your current bout of unaffordable, cheat signings, without Chanrai's approval.

     

    Value of selling Wilson to Stoke as a stand alone deal - £4m. Sell Wilson for £1.5m then sell Kitson and Lawrence for a combined £4-5m in Jan and which looks the better deal?

    Which is exactly why this thread will not close.

     

    You lot already have one, scheduled, liquidation in the offing. Do you mean another one ater that one?

     

    Things are going to get even more interesting and, for you SK8s, remember it's the hope that kills.

     

    We won't get as far as the planned liquidation. I suspect he'll pull the plug before then. Like I said, look up John Redgates track record.

  13. Kindly take few moments of your precious time to read the Telegraph article I linked above and then tell us that is only us that are calling you lot cheats.

     

    I read it. Like you lot it failed to mention just how much of our debt is owed to current and former owners who loaded the debt onto the club and are still making money out of it. An article that completely failed to even remotely dig beneath the surface of what's happened.

     

    Saints fans have condemned Pompey fans for laying even part of the blame for our predicament but it's hard not to look at the way Chainrais taken over the club and not view it as a scam from start to finish. When Faraj initially tried to buy the club before Fahim the PL were informed that Chainrai was a backer, despite his statement that he'd had no involvement before his mystery loan last October. Would you be happy with the PL/ FL if they allowed someone to take over Saints without ever even meeting him but by just having a look at his passport? That's what they did with Faraj.

     

    Chainrais plan is to strip the club of whatever he can (let's see if Kitson and Lawrence are still at the club by Feb) and then liquidate us. It's been the plan all along. If you doubt that look at the business record of our new finance chief John Redgate. 8 of his 11 companies have been liquidated.

  14. The problem I have with you lot on here is how ****ing sanctimonious you are. You bang on now about us only winning the cup by "cheating" when at the time none of you mentioned it. In fact, at the time you were all telling me we only won it because we only had to play lower league opposition all the way through (conveniently forgetting our win at Old Trafford). Tell me if fans of another club said the same of you that you wouldn't say it just smacked of sour grapes?

     

    You consistently bang on about us "running up" £120m of debt when over half that figure is owed to our beloved recent owners, not to other clubs for players.

     

    As you're all so sickened by our failure to pay HMRC I assume anyone with a Vodafone contract has now cancelled it due to them avoiding tax conservatively estimated at £1bn but reaching as much as £6bn according to Private Eye.

     

    You're a bunch of whining hypocrites. If it was any other club but Pompey you wouldn't give a flying one. That's why I find you such a pathetically funny bunch.

  15. Our highest earner is on at most 10k a week. We have no outstanding debt and bigger crowds. You don't need a calculator to work out that 'we're fine.'

     

    Now, a lot of you guys on here keep telling Pompey fans they should question things more but apparently that doesn't apply to yourselves. Highest earners on "at most" £10K a week. You don't know that. You have no idea how much they're earning. I was slagged off when I posted on here that a friend heard a football agent in a hotel bar telling Boateng what a soft touch you had become with wages and how you had players on £15K a week. And you may have bigger crowds but how much is the average price per ticket? I know of at least a couple of games when there have been offers for £5

     

    our average crowd is probably currently 5,000 plus higher, even if you only say they are spending £10 on a ticket for easy maths (will be a lot more) that is over £1m more we have coming in each year.

     

    Great maths there. Run that calculation by me again. Pompey's average ticket price is around £25 but you're claiming that even at £10 a ticket you'd have £1m more than us coming in from ticket sales each year? LOL

     

    With regard to Corp's question, I understand our annual wage bill is one of, if not the largest, in Div 1 at approx £8m.

     

    With an average crowd of 20,000 and using the same per head ticket revenue as Pompey, gives an income of £9.2m.

     

    On this basis I guess we struggle to trade profitably given recent net transfer outgoings and Agents fees averaging £400k pa but, as has been pointed out, we do not have any real loans or other heavy outgoings to satisfy (as far as we are aware) and, hopefully, have paternalistic owners.

     

    Thanks for the reasonable response. Even if we took your figures as correct that means your turnover to wages ratio is currently at 87%. And that doesn't take into account the fact that you've assumed an average ticket price for everyone in the ground of £20 which we know isn't true due to kids deals etc. So you're probably running at close to 100% wages/ turnover ratio. Add in other costs like player purchases, agents fees etc and my guess is you're trading at a loss.

     

    So what you say. Billionaire family, agreed to bankroll us blah blah blah. But for how long? People change their minds. Look at the Jack Walker family money at Blackburn. And this is in league 1. What happens when you're promoted and wages become higher? Good luck to you for attracting Liebherr but please don't give it the large one that you're self sufficient

  16. TBF Saints turnover at the mo is not a financial problem and hasn't run the club into so much debt. I think our administration was down to the back calling in the over draft. Wages were never paid late or at risk of not being paid. That would suggest that our turn over covered the wages at least.

     

    Talking of "could", "might" and "maybe", what term did you use for Maradona and Riquelme?

     

    You scumlettes seem to constantly refer to me as having said that Maradona would become Pompeys manager, that we'd sign lots of Argentinian stars etc. If anyone can post a link to a quote of me saying that Id love to see it. Away you go girls, find that quote. Or maybe find one where I said either the plans for a stadium at The Hard or at Tipner would definitely happen. How about posting a link to a quote from me saying that?

     

    Happy hunting girls

  17. Indeed, as Gill just said about Manu, they operate on a wages to T/O ratio of 50%. But then again, they lack ambition.

     

    Everyone on here seems to be an expert on Pompey's finances (although the copious use of "could", "might", "maybes" etc never fails to make me laugh). Would anyone care to enlighten me as to Saints wages to turnover ratio? Or don't you actually know?

  18. You are under a transfer embargo, brought about because of enormous debts mainly obtained by paying ridiculous salaries you could not afford. You have sent out on loan some kids, on a few hundred a week, with the sole intention of reducing your squad size down to below 20 which, according to league rules, is the minimum you can have. You have then replaced those kids with premiership fringe players, on 20k per week.

     

    You have therefore managed to INCREASE your wage bill by almost 2mil a year, with the same amount of staff.

     

    That, my fishy friend, is the "financial impact on the overall budget".

     

    Jeez.

     

    Our debts were incurred mainly by paying players more than we could afford were they? I thought they were mainly incurred by having a couple of owners approved by the PL who loaned the club money at high interest rates and who didn't pay the tax man. Surely that's where most of our "debts" (I use the term advisedly because I don't believe we really owe the likes of Chainrai, Gaydamak, Fahim etc anything at all). Our "debt" of £120m that you guys refer to here includes around £20m to Chainrai. That's for the "loan" that Faraj defaulted on which saw Chainrai take the club in lieu of payment. As that happened, I'm not sure how we still owe him £20m. So that's £20m off the total. There's another £35m in "debt" that we owe Gaydamak for the land around the ground. We only owe this figure because that's what he valued it at when he sold the club to Fahim. Given how dodgy that deal was I fail to see how that "debt" can be accepted as real either. So that's already £55m off the real debt total. We still owe some money in transfer payments but those will be paid in full. The money we owe to the tax man is a very poor show admittedly but the £38m constantly quoted on here is incorrect as it included the image rights payments. Whatever your thoughts on the fact of it being an admitted tax dodge, the fact is that it was viewed as legal by the courts (and your own accountants will be exploiting loopholes to save your club paying various forms of tax so let's not get on our high horses eh?). The fact that we owed the tax money any money is very poor but they cut their own noses off to spite their face as we offered at least half of what we owed back in January which they refused to accept deciding to go to court to try and win it all - which then backfired on them. We had very little to no tax arrears when Gaydamak was in charge and the lack of payments only mounted up under two owners the PL passed as fit and proper, one of whom passed that test when his brother showed the PL his passport as proof of suitability for ownership.

     

    So, please explain how our debts are mainly the fault of mainly paying ridiculous salaries we couldn't afford

  19. Quick question my little scumlettes. On the subject of Kitson and Lawrence, what's the difference between paying two decent players £20K a week each or taking on four less able players at £10K a week. What's the financial impact on the overall budget?

  20. his great dramatic announcements last week that one day they were facing liquidation and within 24 hours the future was secure was aimed at who exactly?

     

    This board presumably. You pay more attention to what he says than anyone else

  21. I have always been in the camp of them going under, and I haven't changed my stance on that, they are CHEATS, pure and simple. However, if the devil says they will not go out of buisness, I want them to return to the PL. That sole act, will send shivers down the corridoors of power, not only with the PL, but the FA as well, and for me, it will be the just deserts that both those bodys deserve!

     

    "Shivers down the corridors of power". PMSL

     

    No it won't. I can promise you that in the extremely unlikely event we were to get promoted this year (and there's already a campaign starting on Pompey boards to "Stick the PL up your arse" as plenty of Pompey fans hated the league and all it stands for) no-one in the corridors of power will be even slighlt chilly, let alone shivering

     

    Quite,

     

    if they did go up there would be outrage

     

    No there wouldn't. Really, there wouldn't.

     

    You lot really need to get over this.

  22. yep and the media telling the world about a 'fairytale story'for the poor Pompey fans Lol

     

    That's a ridiculous suggestion. Everyone knows that the entire football world, not just a few bitter Saints fan on a messageboard think Pompey should be hung, drawn and quartered and be made to suffer relegation to at least local U10's schools level for what's happened.

  23. Do not under estimate the significance of this;

    A player comes down from the Midlands, trains on the Friday and does the prematch warm up, with the manager expecting him to play, only for the administrator to pull the plug and send him home 20 minutes from kick off. Is he worried thatthe company might fold and he will be liable for any expenditure? Or his it that the FL have said if you want your golden share, no more expensive loan signings? Or is it that they just can't make payroll in two weeks time?

     

    Everything would have been arranged by lampitt and andriod has come over the top of him at the very last minute - Why? Whilst we will probably never find out, what ever scenario it is, (Especially if it is about the money) the answer isnt a good one. For all the bizarre things that have gone on at that dump, this jumps straight into the top 5.

     

    Watch this space.

     

    Straight into the squad for tomorrows game at Millwall allegedly. Bang goes yet another Saints Web conspiracy theory

     

    Aren't you all getting tired of this constant state of outrage you're in about anything to do with Pompey? It really is beyond ludicrous now

  24. I think perhaps the club's damaging media campaign over the last year insulting football authorities at every opportunity, plus the drip feed effect of Gold and Wenger openly calling them cheats, other clubs losing out on players when outbid by a morally bankupt and insolvently trading regime, a whispering campaign in the corridors of the football league from unimpressed chairmen and the pending court action, meant that the insanity of signing Lawrence and Kitson was seen as the final two straws - AA couldn't even do that in one!

     

    Rather than being seen as the cavalry coming over the horizon, history may record these two Stoke reject signings as the final double insult that pushed the authorities to action.

     

    Enough is enough - saddle the horses, it's Apocalypse II time - the return of the four horsemen - clippety-clop, clippety-clop, up the M275.....

     

    This is the kind of thing that makes me laugh so much on here. The mock outrage and indignation. The sanctimonious handwringing and the constant bugging yourself up about how smart you are - when the FLs refusal to allow Chainrai to take over is nothing to do with what Rallytard has written here.

     

    Their issue is Chainrais status as a secured creditor. They're saying he should either have the club (as payment for the "loan" al Faraj allegedly defaulted on) OR remain as a secured creditor and get his cash back that way. But he can't do both as then he would be paid twice for the same thing. Pompey fans have been pressing for an answer on just this for ages without response. Looks like the FL know what they're doing.

     

    But you guys are so smart Im sure one of you has already posted this and I somehow missed it

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