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This is all a bit bizarre and purile tbh. Talk of Germany ruling Europe and coupled with insults and name calling from both sides (yes - sides and how stupid is that!)? Really? I heard a snippet on the Jeremy Vine R2 call in show at lunchtime today with the question from one caller being "why do you think the EU want us to stay?". The inference being that they want something and therefore we shouldn't give it. It's the same on here - I'm right and therefore you are wrong and we can't give in and accept what they want when maybe, just maybe, it might be a win-win where we can all benefit.

 

It doesn't have to be about us versus them does it? The reference to our fathers and grandfathers not having given their lives in vain - really? The world moves on doesn't it? We don't make reference to the Napoleonic wars or countless other conflicts in the same way?

In other words, the Brexit Jihadists who caused this appalling mess are blaming the people who said it would be an appalling mess all along.

 

Oh, and the 'fun' you'll be having? That'll be the sound of the British economy hitting the buffers. Which will be fun for those turfed out of a job.

Christ, this is desperate. You're posting the self-serving waffle of a Brexit jihadist MP caught out by the sudden realisation that vast numbers of his own constituents' livelihoods may well go up in smoke. No wonder he wants the gullible to believe in arcane conspiracy theories. His own job depends on it.

Of course it's natural that he'll want to go. After 4 years, he'll feel he has made a success of playing in the Premier League. He can bank that and be proud of it for the rest of his life. But realistically he is not going to achieve much more now; he won't get a move to a big club, and he's not going to achieve anything more with Saints that he hasn't achieved already. A cup final, an FA Cup semi, European football.

 

He virtually grew up in Holland as a young player, so of course he will be attracted by an offer from their biggest club. When he was at Groningen and Twente, he would have dreamed of getting a move to Ajax. Now he can make it reality, and with it will come a few years of Champions League football. The perfect way to crown a reasonably successful career.

 

Good luck to him; it is an excellent move for him. We just need to get a replacement first.

A tiny number. So how many are still getting away with it? You say thousands knew about it. How do you know how many knew about it? It is just a wild assumption on your part. Again, how many sex offenders do you know feel shame. Why are you just hung up on some men who happen to be Muslims? Of course they had a lack of respect for their victims. If sex offenders had respect for their victims they would sexually assault them would they? Did white man and football superstar Ched Evans show the slightest bit of respect for the women he ****ged in a hotel room when she was drunk? Some may show shame, but only when caught and they have to face the consequences of their actions publicly. No I am not saying that it is a pure coincidence, but if we believe what you say then all Muslims would be in sex grooming gangs and clearly these scumbags are still in the large minority. We do have large groups of white men carrying out sexual acts against children. Have you not been following the numbers of clergy being charged with sexual offences in this country, or are you too busy just focussing on Muslim offenders?

 

 

What happened is appalling but is it any more appalling than the Australian comedian who was recently raped and killed while walking home or any of the other sexual assaults that go on all of the time all over the world? You are hung up on the fact that dark skinned men are targeting fair skin girls, what is wrong here is that men are assaulting women and girls. Check the law and you will see that it is not a greater offence if a Muslim rapes a non Muslim female, as much as you might think that it ought to be.

its going great that we are begging for trade deals and we are a great country unfortunelly the little englanders are screwing it up with their fantasy world nonsence. still i can wave my blue passport while the rest of the world think we lost the plot.

push the boat out to get koeman who will kick the players backsides and give some leadership.

F*ck me. I'm 27, 28 next month. I find myself reading the news every day and feeling more miserable and sick of mankind. The days of hope and ambition seem well and truly dead. I'm finding that I have a complete lack of interest in everything and when it comes to seeing friends or family I'd rather just stay at home with my partner who feels exactly the same.

 

I find myself having more meaningful conversations with people who I have known for years and finding out that their opinions and views are completely moronic and that we have absolutely nothing in common.

 

I run my own business and have several people working for me who I can barely tolerate. My business is quite successful, but I find even this depressing as my previous energy that I would put into work isn't really necessary anymore and I could pretty much toss myself off all day vs working and achieve the same outcome.

 

I have conversations with my parents who I couldn't feel further away from. My Dad is pro trump and brexit and my mum has no realistic view of anything in the world. I feel so much more experienced and understanding of the world than them that I can't even be bothered to talk about the things that interest me as they wouldn't understand. It's bizarre to no longer see my parents as the superheros they were when I was growing up.

 

I come and read this forum (terrible idea) and feel even more depressed. My interest in Saints is dying at an alarming rate.

 

Am I in a slump or was getting older and realising what a piece of sh*t the world is the same for everyone?

Exactly this. Car production depends on a very interconnected supply chain moving parts between countries. 'Country A' has a successful car export industry to the 27 countries of the EU. It actually exports just as many engines as cars.

 

If Country A decides to set up its own borders, customs, standards and tariffs whilst the other 27 remain open and border free do we think:-

1. Country A will wildly prosper and attract lots more investment.

2 Wither and die as a major centre of manufacture as multinationals move to the harmonised market?

 

Its not just cars either. Pharmaceuticals, chemicals, electronics and food / drink will all be affected.

The fact that the modern motor industry is a highly international one with few (if any) vehicles assembled from components sourced from within a single county is well understood. Equally comprehensible I would have thought is the prospect that crashing out of the EU Single Market in the so called "hard Brexit" manner some extremists seem to favour leaves British industry facing a extremely difficult problem exporting to what are by far its biggest markets. If we end up with government having to subsidise industry again, to compensate for a new tariff regime with the EU27 perhaps, then where is the money to come from? If this kind of stuff doesn't worry you then you just don't understand the issue here.

 

This has nothing to do with your 'project fear' or the dark art of spinning - that is the situation we now face.

the dreamers of the past will find some reason to pretend its not true but they will still believe in their make believe world.

Your history is almost as bad as your maths, Trident. The UK joined what was then the European Economic Community (not the EU) in 1973 as the sick man of Europe. It was banging on the doors to join the EEC.

A General Election with an explicit manifesto pledge would supersede a previous referendum both constitutionally and politically if a sizeable majority were achieved.

 

I can't see that happening somehow.[/quote i agree and as the vote last year was infact a second referndum as i i voted in the last referendum in the 1975 one which gave a massive majority to stay in the europe unlike the narrow majority last year overalling the will of the majority of that decade so in fact it would be a third referendum if another was called.

i normally vote consertive but being socially liberal i could not bring myself to vote for her ,and i expect a lot of liberal tories were like .she lost me with her hard brexit nonsence and her appeal to the ukippers to follow her.so and went and voted labour,thank god hard brexit is off the table now she was lucky she got alot of ukippers to vote for her otherwise she would have been hammered but i,m glad the young came out in force and voted,which will scare the present tory party has there is no long term future appealing to the old bigots of ukip now. in the long term.shes toast but can,t see who can replace her at the moment.the only person i can think would be good is the tory leader in scotland.

Tough on terrorism

we all know thats true but doubt if thats going to change and if may was any good she would reinstate the 20,000 police she has cut ,at least corbyns going to put 10,000 back ,very much doubt she will thow and needs to give the police the resorces and budget to keep eyes on these extremists.

mays shes useless and a coward third rate prime minster

If Jeremy corbyn ever gets on to power. The job losses would be humongous. The interest rates would spiral out of control.

 

Just look at the nervousness on the markets and the drop off the pound.

 

 

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Fully agree, I would not trust any of the current crop of political leaders to lead a dog let alone our country. Corbyn may get all the stick in the foreign owned main stream media but May is just as frightening a prospect and Farron is just irrelevant. I won’t spoil my ballot I will vote for the party with policies nearest to beliefs. My hope is that out of the political cluster F**k of the last 18 months a new political movement can emerge lead by people of quality and conviction.

Agree we got terrible leaders of 3 main party's. Hence why I'm not voting and the fact that the country has a debt of 2 trillion pounds and not been mentioned and that we somehow are going to be world beaters by being 1 against 27 in Europe,proves we are living in LA LA land.The value of my savings have been eroded big time and no sign of the pound recovering its previous value.

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a2 b3 plus will not vote for the first time ever no need for the election they had a mandate for the next 2 years. have switched over to avoid the usual predicble recycling of slogans from the past elections.

I doubt they give a ****e what majority May gets, or who is PM - it makes no difference to them. The EU hardliners will be loving May's little outburst because it will push any moderates round to their view and make the EU's tough stance more pallitable to the European electorate - who they would give a ****e about.

agree even if she won every seat it will make no difference,you only need to look at greece when they tried it on with a massive majority and had to leave with the tails between there legs and they have still stayed in,the eu holds the cards and the longer it goes on with out a deal,we will become even weaker.

This is something of a trope among the Brexiteers - the belief that the EU is unable to coordinate anything on anything and is constantly on the brink of collapse (see Grexit, Deutsche Bank, the Italian banks, the Euro itself, ad nauseum).

 

It must be such a surprise to the cult that the EU 27 are united and in the shot-calling seat.

as usual the debate on here goes done to the level of ignorance and winner takes all nonsence rather whats good for the country as a whole, it just ends up as mud slinging, no one listens to the other point of view and no one is prepared to change their mind. Round and round it goes . there was no need for a election and i find it funny in this day and age the leader of this country runs away from a debate,so much for strong leadership,most of the votes as usual in the country will be wasted partys safe seats , its normally the marginals which will have the most money spent on it and try and woo the independently minded ,when we had the coalition it was good government and wished it had carried on at the last election. theres no doubt may will win but we do need opposition to challenge and debate,to get good policy. thankfully i,ve avoided the tv news as best as i can and don,t buy papers as they are just propganda sheets for there owners .

good luck to you mugs who will lap up 7 weeks of nonsence before you vote,my advice go out enjoy yourselfs ,go on holiday to gett away from this bull s hit and have a laugh .

May's refusing to participate in TV debates, so that's one consolation, though slightly odd coming from someone who's made this election about their 'leadership' and 'mandate'.

i agree a strong leader would not run away thats why i think she is weak and no need for the election especially when you got a weak leader as corybn labour leader,shes b ull s hitting but i expect she will get her way,i personally i,m more worried by our massive 2 trillion debt as a country and inflation getting out of controlagain and people maxing out on credit card debt and borrowing and thats in the good times,hate to think what will happen when interst rates start rising and can see us going into recession in the next few years,

thank god i don,t buy the newspapers nowdays , the owners propganda sheets as they seemed to aimed at the politically stupid and there made up stories i will not then have to put up with the b ull sh it over the next 7 weeks ,i think i might book a holiday to avoid this needless election to spain and soak up the sun and relax while the two faced mps play the public like puppets again.

Nearly every single political discussion with labour, snp or lib dem politician ends up with them claiming she "hasn't got a mandate " . Were they wrong?

 

 

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I voted for a conservative government to run its term and could not care what the opposition claims, I want the deficit dealt with and inflation under control ,not self interest for party interests and prefer governments with small majority s has it makes for better government when they have to have to work with others and govern for all the nation.

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