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  1. I don't dispute some of that, but he has decided send my private messages (an attempt at conciliation) to the mods and therefore he has no right to claim the moral high ground. I say i don't dispute some of that, but i do dispute he's not racist for the simple reason that racism and tribalism are imho inextricably linked. Football Hooliganism is a modern manifestation of the Hill Fort mentality. Forget racism as being a dispute between man made borders - that is racism in it's most simplistic form. Racism is a primeval instinct and before people could be racist towards the Welsh, the Scots, the French, Blacks, they were racist towards their closest threat - their rival hill fort - their rival tribe. The parrallels between this and the tribalness of football hooliganism are indisputeable. Compare this theory with recent acts in Somalia: TRIBALISM - RACISM BY: Ahmed Dowlo The world has gathered, thousands of angry militants, from Saharawis of Western Sahara campaigning an independent state from Morocco, Palestinians who label Israel as an apartheid state, Dalits of India demanding the Indian Caste system be eradicated, black Americans calling for reparations from USA, non-Arab Mauritanians who say they are victims of slavery, Burmese, European Gypsies, Romanians, Tamils of Sri Lanka, Hutus and Tutsis of Rwanda and Burundi respectively, Jewish Zionists, orthodox Jewish rabbis who claim Israel does not represent them, Tibetans, Zimbabwean whites, Landless people of Zimbabwe, black Brazilians, black Sudanese, Caribbean Africans, Australian Aborigines, the San people of Southern Africa, the Red Indians of North America, Kurdish people, the Kosovars, the Albanians, Bosnians, the Chechens, the Muslim Philippines, Mongolians, the Minorities of Europe, Kashmirs, the Coptic of Egypt, among others have converged on the 3rd UN sponsored World Conference Against Racism/Xenophobia And Related Intolerances (WCAR) in Durban South Africa. The participants of the conference have common grounds. They are all victims of different forms of injustices, i.e. slave trade, slavery, ethnic cleansing, genocide, landlessness, colonialism, anti-Semitism, foreign occupation, apartheid, racial discrimination, religious intolerance and xenophobia. Each of these groups is complaining about rights violated by an attitude and/or a member state of the UN assembly and its hands are dripping of their blood. The host president Mr Thabo Mbeki, Secretary-General Kofi Annan and the heads of states who gave speeches at the gathering emphasized that racism of all forms are primarily obstacle to the well-being of the global citizens, and pledges to exorcise racism worldwide. What I, personally, find difficult to understand is; why Somalis in Kenya and Somalis in Ogaden who both suffer significantly institutionalised racism were not present in Durban to send their voices of protest against Ethiopia and Kenya (amongst the last outposts of colonialism?) And why similarly, the Somalis in Somalia do not come to the conference to denounce tribalism and convince the world that tribalism is like racism and must be put on the agenda? There is inextricable link between the racism that the world is discussing in Durban and tribalism, so the question arises here is: why tribalism that ruined Somalia completely was not equated as racism? I would like to set before you a criterion in which my present exposition may be judged: If racism kills, maims, rapes and loots, so does tribalism Racism has resulted in substantial and lasting economic, political and cultural damages to its victims, so does tribalism to Somalia . Racism is oldest and perhaps the most pernicious and prevalent forms of discriminations among societies, so does tribalism to Somalis against Somalis. Racism is the contemporary form of structural injustice that maintain barriers to the full and equal participation in all spheres of public life, so does tribalism to Somalia Racism subjugates and denies the integrity of the people, so does tribalism Racism calls for exploitation of the weak, defenceless, and other races of not one's own, so does tribalism. Racism dispossess people's property, so does tribalism (just see what happened in Somalia ) Racism encourages stereotypes against others, it labels some as intellectuals and others fools, it describes some decent and others deceitful, so does tribalism Racism judges people according to their colour, sex, religion or language, so does tribalism judges people in parental and clan lines not on their merits Racism gives a lion's share of power and privileges to a particular sector in a society, so does tribalism Racism sidelines and marginalizes some people, while empowering others, so does tribalism Racism promotes violence publicly to safeguard the interest of particular groups, so does the tribalism Racism perpetually damages the trust amongst communities, so does tribalism Racism is based on unfounded myths of generalizations, so does tribalism Racism has the notion of superiority complex and inferiority complex, so does tribalism. Quran, (the Islam's scripture which Somalis believe in almost 100%) from the outset, renounces the tribalism/racism altogether. Allah, setting the records straight says in the holy book: “O you who believe! Indeed We have created you from a single male and female and We have made you into nations and tribes so that you know each other” (Chapter 49:13) of course, not to kill one another. And the prophet of Islam strongly urges to his followers to relinquish from tribalism because “it stinks”. None of these powerful testimonies of their sacred books helped Somalis to transform their lives. To them, it is merely music to their ears. Somalia is often said is one of the most homogenous societies in the world, yet, the practical tribalism classifies them into two categories: Tin-Jileec and Tin-Adayg, and it classifies Tin Jileec into Sab and Soomaali. It goes even furthest level of clan affiliation, that it sometimes turns two brothers against each other in maternal lines (Bah-bah). The Somali tribalism incites revengeful attacks against an entire clan indiscriminately and does not necessarily single out the criminal. It collectively punishes people for only being born to a certain tribe. It measures you to whom do you know, not what do you know! Tribalism mutates, re-invests and continues to manifest among Somalis, causing severe psychological scars and perpetuating untold atrocities and deep inequalities. Tribalism made Somalia a brutal, savage and dogmatic society to its people and very easy prey for the enemies. Tribalism has vowed to beguile Somalis through the ruse of self-adulation and pride. Somalis have been engrossed in the pursuit of tribalism's egotistical prejudices, in an attempt to sustain its smug sense of superiority. Any one of us, whether at home or in the Diaspora is directly or indirectly effected by this contagious disease. The Marxists regime of Somalia in 1969-1991 has proclaimed that they had abolished the legacy of tribalism once and for all, and the sad truth is; it was tribalism that saw its downfall. “What Reer Hebel can tell me?” Mentality is the trait of the devil of which we are all victims. It leads to debasement, conflict and discord. It fosters the virus of bigotry that eventually sows seeds of animosity. It is the mentality made Somalis displaced both internally or externally. Tribalism is sometimes worst than racism; it discriminates against people whom we share almost every thing with. Hence to acknowledge your personal prejudices are winner's attribute whilst to shift blame is a loser's character, aren't all Somali clans are both victims and aggressors? As Somalis, we need to pioneer change beginning with our own conduct and attitude. In doing so we need to tread the path of moral rectitude, to build a cohesive, strong and compassionate brotherhood/sisterhood. The door to rectitude can only be opened with the key of confession. Isn't tribalism equating racism? Yes. Why we did not discuss it WCAR in Durban ?
  2. Up bright and early i see Sly Boy. So when did YOU stop being a racist? Was it when you supposedly stopped being a football hooligan? Eastleigh Sly Boy: Interests: Fighting racism, bullying and xenophobia. Ironic in the extreme.
  3. 65% plays 34% Loser.
  4. Hardly suprising, you can't can't stand me and i can't stand you. The majority may well have far more respect for Eastleigh, i can live with that as i'm not looking for approval. That said this little episode where i said, in a PRIVATE MESSAGE - "It's irrelevent if i am a bit racist or not" that i've done nothing wrong at all. The only one who comes out of this looking bad, imho (maybe not in the majorities) is Eastleigh for being a devious grass.
  5. I've asked you to stop pming me eastleigh, kindly **** off grass.
  6. Carry on then Eastleigh, all the PM's are up for everyone to see you grass.
  7. These PM's: Originally Posted by Stanley Sorry i can't comment on the subject on here. Originally Posted by EastleighSoulBoy It surprised me that you did not defend your position which can only lead, maybe wrongly, to one assumption? I would have thought that you would be able to say that you are not a racist, if you aren't, despite what may be going on behind the scenes? Originally Posted by Stanley It's irrelevent if i am a bit racist or not, so long as i don't break the rules on here surely i'm allowed freedom of thought? Originally Posted by EastleighSoulBoy Everyone is entitled to their thoughts. Expressing them thoughts in the open can leave you liable to being labelled racist and can be viewed as an inflammatory action. Their is no such thing, by the way, as being a 'bit' racist! In this society it also has a relevance. Of special relevance to you is the fact that you may well lose your membership of the forum. Originally Posted by Stanley Exactly and don't want to get banned, but take me agreeing with Enoch Powell, that's not racist. It's common sense. You started all this tit for tat ****. Originally Posted by EastleighSoulBoy You really need to get a grip on things young man. I asked you politely why you had not defended yourself, it's patently clear now why you didn't. You are biting on your own baited hook! Please note that first contact by PM was initiated by you. Originally Posted by Stanley And i was wrong to trust you. Originally Posted by EastleighSoulBoy It may be prudent to learn to trust yourself before you try to trust others when you don't know or understand their outlook on life. Originally Posted by EastleighSoulBoy Yeah i'll learn from this, but you've really let yourself down.
  8. So what. I've told one of the mods you are trying to bait me and i'll just ignore you in future - if they ban me based on your work then so be it even though i can't see any grounds for such action. You posted up "part" of a PM that i sent you to try and sort out this tit for tat ******** out. Cheers for that Eastleigh.
  9. I agree with Enoch Powell, but i don't agree with genocide etc, but i don't want to respond to you further on here.
  10. And i'll make the assertion again. You seem to think you can throw **** at me and not get it thrown back.
  11. Yes. Our rivals will get stronger as we get weaker.
  12. Being negative against Lowe/Wilde is a positive stance to take if you care about SFC.
  13. No, but i see you at most Northern away games so i can buy you a beer and we can chat about it. I'm sure that away from the innernet we'd get on.
  14. And you are a football hooligan. Are you proud of it?
  15. You can say that to my face when i see you next.
  16. Call me Peter Snow, but the trend is consistent with Polls run a few years ago on S4E. The last Poll conducted on there (with a far higher sample than my poll is likely to get) resulted in 79% wanting Lowe out.
  17. Welldone for being the last person to realise.
  18. You would think so. Afterall Lowe stood for the Referendum Party. It's funny how ones principles can change to suit though isn't it?
  19. Try Google.
  20. Polls on here are worthless as only the elite £5 posters can vote so the potential sample is too small.
  21. We've got absolutely no chance.
  22. 80% want Lowe Out so far...
  23. I dare say it won't be long before i'm banned. DSM has already sent me a threatening warning for posting something he disagreed with.
  24. Quite possibly.
  25. DSM wrote: Dear Stanley, You have received a warning at Saints Web. Reason: ------- Pushing the boundaries You really are pushing it today. Any more cr*p and I'll drop down on you like a ton of bricks, £5 or no £5. ------- Original Post: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=108372 Originally Posted by stthrobber Which is why, in my opinion, a multi cultural society can't work. We have our laws and our customs and people who come to our country should adapt to us, as we have to adapt to their laws when we go to their countries. Originally posted by Stanley I agree completely. Multiculturalism is a failed experiment. Enoch Powell was right. Warnings serve as a reminder to you of the forum's rules, which you are expected to understand and follow. All the best, Saints Web I replied: As my post broke no rules and you chose to send me a patronising pm can it please be arranged that i am refunded the £5 i paid. DSM replied: Commenting that a known racist was right is, in my opinion, an infractable offence. I chose not to infract you, rather I warned you. If you choose to leave the forum, that is your prerogative. Unfortunately, subscriptions are not refundable. I replied: Powell was not a racist - you clearly don't know what you are talking about. I am not choosing to leave the forum, i want a refund because you have sent me an unjust warning for something that broke no rules.
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