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I'd rest Tadic and Romeu.

 

McCarthy

 

Cedric Stephens Hoedt Bertrand

 

Lemina Hojbjerg

 

Sims JWP Redmond

 

Carrillo (possibly Gabbiadini)

 

 

 

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Rest Tadic ? Wtf does he need a rest for ? Spends 20% of game time lying down !

tiredness. shortly before the incident you could see he was stretched. Tired, he made a poor decision. Quite simply he was run ragged. We don't control games, we hang on for grim life because we don't have good enough individuals keeping the ball well. A gradual erosion of talent does that.

Spot on post. We hang on. Talent gradually being eroded.

"...over to Alan Greeen...."

"....views from our football expert Alan Green.......etc"

Padua is great - and cheap. Worked there for a year. If visiting Venice, stay in Padua, the taxi / train to Venice for the day.

I'm not convinced it's a depth issue. Frankly, I think losing Mané would be like an addition to the squad.

 

We were going well with Tadic on the left (developing an understanding with Bertrand), Long on the right (developing an understanding with Clyne), Pelle in the middle (reading and adjusting to the play on the flanks), and the high midfielder pushing into the space behind Pelle. We looked good offensively and defensively.

 

In comes Mané - a tactical and positional fart in a thunderstorm with unreliable control, little ability to read the play, and nowhere near enough composure to finish chances, never mind half-chances.

 

To accommodate Mané, we move Tadic to the right and stick Long on the bench.

 

Nobody really knows what Mané is going to do so they spend a lot of time trying to stay out of his way. We've lost the understanding on the two flanks, we've lost a lot of shape because Mané keeps pushing inside, and Pelle has a lost a lot of quality supply as well as the advance midfielders looking for his touches and knock-downs.

 

I'm struggling to think of one player who has had the kind of destructive affect on a good team that Mané has had on us. No wonder we're starting to see other players remonstrating with him.

 

Roll on AFCoN.

 

All IMO, of course.

This is spot on.

With mane starting, nobody around him seems to know what he is going to do, and seem to have to adjust to suit

With tadic on left and long on right we look far more balanced.

Mane is an impact type of player - I,d use him from the bench, and start long every time.

Di canio is on sky's goals on Sunday today ...

Sao paulo is up there with jo'berg in the "dangerous to wander round" league.

People are generally great.

Cashasha (?) and beers are good.

Very lively.

Went to camaguay province about 15 years ago. Fabulous beaches, locals, music...etc. Santa lucia I think. Had a very impressive coral reef. Pretty unspoilt at the time. One of best holidays I,ve had. Friendly locals. Good beer / rum / bananas / music / cigars. Cheap. Travel was an adventure - but very safe place to wander around.

Not so sure. He lives in a rented house that cost £380,000 three years ago. Not a dump obviously but not commensurate with someone on huge wages.

I thought he lived in Compton. Doing well to find a 380k house there...

Would assume that Monday's game will be conveniently called off...

Oddest thing for me - and this must be down to Adkins - was our dead ball taking around their box. Twice we had decent positions down the right in the first half, and each time Puncheon took the kick - each time knocking it way too deep.

Why the f*ck did we not give each kick to the bloke with the £11m left foot ?

Waste.

Is he drinking juice in the otter then ?

Saw him in the Otter reasonably recently...

But it is perfectly possible to act logically and rationally as an individual within a group but for the group itself to act irrationally. If the herd starts to stampede then each cow would be stupid not to join in but the stampede itself might be stupid.

 

Why should any Liverpool fan expect that they were about to contribute to a fatal crush? You're waiting to get though the turnstiles. It's taking ages and you start to worry that you'll miss the match. there are plenty in front and plenty behind. Suddenly the exist opens and everyone realises that there's a much quicker way into the ground. You get through the exit and see the main entrance into the stand and perhaps even get a glimpse of the match underway. everyone else if moving to the same point and now there are even more people behind you. Once you realise that there are too many people in front you consider moving to the side but now no one can budge. At what point does that person become eligible for blame?

Spot on. You hit the nail on the head with the tube station analogy. Crowds behave like crowds, which is why you need some kind of control process.

Majority of misinformation around this tragedy stems from the initial blame shift or cover up. The enquiry outputs won't change that, just a shame a proper enquiry didn't happen immediately, when it may have led to something constructive.

I doubt that very much. Still plenty of self-pity and emotional blackmail to come............

From the police ?

Golden days back on the solstate.chem.ac.uk server, before the webforums. Wonder what happened to Dave Currie?

 

Golden Days were before we had Turkish and mongs like him here.

The solstate server was a revelation at the time. I used to access from a 3270 (ish), whilst idling at IBM. Forgot about this completely.

I've done the shawford 6 49 for a few years. Main attraction is free parking. Main drawback is when things go slightly wrong, just outside peak time in evenings. Mornings generally reliable. Eastleigh gives you a bit more flexibility, Winchester more so - but pricey parking. Waterloo east would work for connectivity. I'd avoid Clapham as cross london connection + Waterloo / Southampton line will be stressful over time.

Grand place is nice. Centre has god bars & history. Ok for a week or two. Pricey.

Dennis was the best English left back at the time by a mile. Quick, aggressive, could tackle, and play. His reputation did for him.

I went to glen eyre in the 70's, which was pretty wild most of the time. Glen eyre was big on corporal punishment, caning, slapping, trainer-ing - courtesy of the PE dept - and various other forms of kid abuse.

The corporal punishment had zero impact on how we all behaved as far as I can remember. You name it, it went on there - and we got caught and caned for it.

It was probably more brutalising than corrective in its impact.

I certainly wouldn't hit my kids

Played a charity match once that had Keith Stroud reffing - at the time I had the assumption that he would be a step up from the "normal" local / regional ref's we would normally get.

Wrong. As useless as the rest.

Best ref's (to me anyway) are those that have played to at least some standard.

What do you need exactly ?

"Raid the palace" by Pele. Oddly enough was on the Radio1 playlist. Assume nobody listened to the words...

Right or wrong? time will tell on the economic front - Those currently jumping for joy are those that have just had their nationalistic egos massaged, nothing more. The biggest irony in all this is the German and French would have preferred a totally committed UK membership, given our status from the day we joined in '74. Had that occured, Instead of the perceived need to the UK to lick the backsides of the French and Germans the remaining EU states would now be listening to a UK-German-French elite... but we have forever been on the outside ****ing in so for the UK we have never had the opportunity to truely shape the EU economy or legislation... which ****es of the nationalistic dullards so much.

 

Britain has tried to dictate the clubs rules, without ever adopting them, without embracing the ideas of the club, so naturally the other members might feel we have outstayed our welcome anyway.

 

I would just add one point. Many industrialists/businessness types/Mail readers suggest we are a better proposition for industry because we are not locked in to EU employment law as most of the others - It is far easier to sack or make redundant a british worker in the UK, that a French or German one for example - less costly less red tape.. they argue it makes us more competitive and attracts business to our shores... Yet I think we can safely assume it has not prevented Germany growing economically... nor could you deny that the USA which has about the easiest sacking/redundancy legislation, is not in turmoil right now.... and this is legislation designed to PROTECT workers. That's what's so commical about their attitudes (or so sad) that they rejoice in the UK being free of 'red tape' that makes the lives of ordinary workers just that bit more secure (guess that's the typical Thatcherite attitude though).... the Germans have got where they are becuse of attitude to work, graft and effort, despite taking on the economic burden of the former East and the economic pain it caused them. Its not beyond the relms of reasoning to suggest that handled the right way, its the job security that this legislation provides that encourages productivity, loyalty and growth...