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Thanks. We agree on two. As I hope, a reasonable person, I have really struggled with the idea of overturning a democratic vote. This is against the unsettling feeling that more than ever before massive sections of society are starting to be manipulated by fairly underhand tactics on social media etc. Unfortunately I think we are fairly programme-able. The ultimate argument for the EU now for me is that it is probably the single body likely to be big enough and sufficiently independent to threaten big tech interests, before things take a long term turn for the worse. If I had the power, and intent, to take control, in that way, I would look at the EU, and it would be the first thing to take out. Perhaps we just have to throw ourselves at the mercy of the new digital order, and hope they mean well, as per Carol Cadwalladers entreaties?
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I will check that out. Cheers.
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So are you unhappy about your tax bill? Is that your problem? Government has a big complicated task, which leads to lots of inefficiency. That’s not to say it shouldn’t be accountable. Do you think clamping down on Bulgarians with poor teeth is going to save a lot of your tax? Or is it just about being angry with a demon you have successfully raised to suitable proportions? I think if our government is susceptible to fraud it should be encouraged to do its job through calm rigorous journalism, rather than let it constantly scapegoat a higher or lower tier of government, or a poverty stricken minority.
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You’d have to be careful which friends you shared that with on Facebook. Lols. My FB friends are a broad church and I’ve got to thinking how funny it would be to arrange for some of the Brexit voting “characters” to meet in a pub, touting it as a gathering of like minded individuals. A fight would be the absolute minimum outcome, with walking out in disgust as the hot favourite. Not that as individuals, they aren’t mostly very nice people.
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I kind of agree with you. I really agonised about my vote. I spent most of the election period considering the implications for trade and prosperity, and a week out from the vote, I realised that not only did I not have a clue, but neither did anyone else really either. So I thought, I’m just going to vote based on who I see myself as being. I’m proud that our island has defended itself from conquest for nearly a thousand years, and of our more recent tradition of democracy. But the more powerful thing in me is clinging to the common cause of humanity, and a curiosity and respect for other, particularly European, nationalities. Strangely this is despite great enthusiasm for American culture. I detest nationalism, and the politics of self interest. I have loved the European project. Always will. If you asked me to vote again a thousand times, I would vote the same way. This is actually what separates the two sides; modern religions. On one side a coalition of greens and liberals as humanists. On the other, a coalition of nationalists, which is wholly unfair to generally label as racists. These sides are utterly irreconcilable. You might as well try to get humanity to coalesce around one monotheistic religion, or even a single sexuality. The oddest thing is people not being able see the fundamental nature of this. The remainers who publicly still argue about the economic effect, or lorry queues ffs. Respect to their motives, and courage in the face of considerable hostility, but do they still think they can change even one mind? I don’t think so. This thread sums it all up so beautifully. Your side “won”, so we will have to get on with it. Remainers shouldn’t despair. Nationalism will be a dying force, ultimately. Human history has repeatedly been about coalescence into larger and larger societies. It’s just in our make up as a natural force. But moreover I think, a mass of tiny variables will begin to act against the larger variable that is Brexit, to compensate, and render the destination pretty much unchanged anyway. I will speculate that shangri-la is probably not just around the next corner. People never want to blame themselves, so without the EU as scapegoat, something else will be found. Maybe Brexit itself. Thankfully not a committed remainers problem.
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Fair enough. I’ll go away for another two weeks in a minute anyway. I appreciate that the worlds problems aren’t going to be resolved by football message board. I don’t read it all in detail by any means, but the right and wrong does seem to get disputed almost in perpetuity. The last thing I want to do is take away your purpose. ;-)
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Thanks for that. A Brexiteers opinion on the best strategy for the remain side of the argument? Trunkie want a bun? Lols
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I totally agree with all of that. I have always been a committed European and remainer. I do expose myself through social media to people on both sides of the argument. Some of the attitudes make me rage. The idea of meeting a Frenchman and expecting him to be grateful that his country was liberated 70 years ago, or that he should feel embarrassed that his grandparents were unable to hold 1000 mile long border against a Nazi regime! Crazy. But all of that said, a botched up deal with a half exit from Europe, or an exit avoided by a slim second referendum victory, will never expunge this country’s political dialogue of the Euro poison created by the popular print media, who got bored after they had vanquished the hard left in the early 80s. I have loads of time for lots of statesman on the remain-side, but I honestly think sometimes you have to know when to re-group. It’s even actually about bigger things than our own economic short-term future. It’s about preserving the group strength of the largest block oof free independent democracies in the world. This thread is so funny. I try not to read it very often because it winds me up. You all seem to be arguing about the economic outcome of Brexit. It’s like you usually argue about football, (without really knowing how that will pan out either), up to Saturday morning, and then in the afternoon you get a result and can sort out who’s been right and who’s been wrong, and then move on. You have all been on a loop for the last two years, without a nice clean score at intervals to be able to settle the thing. Lols.
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European quote from the Guardian today; "It looks increasingly as if Britain needs the mayhem of a no-deal exit to wake up from its delusions." That’s where I’ve been for the last two years to be honest. I think the EU hierarchy have seen it in those terms for a very long time now. As a remainer you simply can’t ignore the strength of feeling against you. Of course the key thing in winning the war is knowing how soon and how far to retreat from the battles that you lose, so that you can come back from them.
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Not the point. The promise, after a reasonable trial, would be the only way to heal the split in society. I’m away skiing and my wife is getting ****y so will leave it with you. x
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What the process now needs is a promise of a people’s vote a year or two after an exit on WTO terms. That way we needn’t commit to permanent financial meltdown. If our new state works then fine, and if not the old gits would shut up permanently with blaming blaming Europe for everything. We could return to Europe re-invigorated and ready to lead as we should always have been doing! I even think that more than 50% would willingly sign up to it. You heard it here first.
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Hoping that Mourinho gets sacked before their next game as well for the comedy of both managers losing jobs over the same result.
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To quote a great general; Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.
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The whole thing is like one of those big projects that often goes massively wrong, over time and over budget, but in this case, on a gargantuan scale. Compare what our government now has to do, in taking over administration that it hasn’t run for perhaps 40 years, with the usual things it messes up, like large defence procurements or IT system replacements. If you have some insulation from it’s effects it might prove to be an epic political spectacle.
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Regarding his products; We bought two 90D’s for our business in 2016. We have sold them both on now, but I used one for two weeks, for the experience, before it went. An amazing car. It literally made the 3.0d X5 I had at the time seem clunky, and a complete step backwards. I have a hybrid X5 now, and the overall engineering concept is poor, in comparison to a Tesla. I would have kept the Tesla but the range anxiety just didn’t fit in with my work. At some point electric cars will sweep across the market and within a few years internal combustion engines will be a novelty. I get the impression with him, that he will never settle for long enough to allow his business to move into the black. I suppose a lot of tech start ups were like that for long periods, but you do think that he can be a bit unhinged!