The Kraken

Most people on here are far right IIRC, and we’re linked to a football club, so likely we’ll see you there.

8 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

I'd be surprised if it ever does, will be several roadblocks and by the time they get over them the election will take place and it will be canned. 

It was also a logistically foolish policy, they were just betting on it resonating more with the public, which it hasn't really.  Complete bunch of useless chancers.

I’m wondering who these people are that think “oh look, we’re deporting our refugees to Rwanda, I must remember to vote for Rishi Sunak for that”. 

I mean, I’m sure there’s some but not many who see it as both a cost effective and human natured solution.

https://www.southamptonfc.com/en/news/article/2024-25-season-ticket-and-stadium-development-update?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=stmens-2425&utm_term=launch&utm_content=link&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR03PWZR2NoUZua1MR5UEeuVSf9vLXA14T9-jUEgkG8oySz3ubPGGGKapJg_aem_AcSCObAu4Pe7OgJEb9OFAk8LcHl7rMebgR4bqYmhFVIEzb8YruUbDRSi59DWfS455X_qYzW0z7dclpVei4yq2JbM
 

Only just read the article, looks like all areas of the ground except the Northam are going to see big price increases next season:

Season Ticket costs and payment plans

Prices across the stadium are likely to increase by 10-15% on average for the 2024/25 season following six years of price freezes for the majority of fans and an average 10% reduction last year.

Might pop to the alehouse at lunchtime for a pint of Spitfire. Greggs sausage roll on the way, moan about the weather all afternoon, shepherds pie for dinner and only fools on the telly.

Being English 

1 minute ago, Patches O Houlihan said:

So normally you should give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team...

That was supposed to be the sentiment yes, many years ago. In truth it probably never happened, before VAR I’d suggest linos were more inclined to stick their flag up rather than keep it down when in doubt.

2 hours ago, saintstowin said:

I've seen that and it looks dodgy (for VAR that is). The other issue is that the pass was a flick/scoop and therefore usually this means the ball rolls up the foot a bit before release so point of release is more complicated. Plus Wright's movement at the time of the pass is across rather than forwards (in order to stay onside) so any millisecond affects it massively.

All these things make the lines harder to draw and less accurate in my view, and give weight to the view that VAR for offside may not be good enough.

For all VAR offsides I remain unconvinced any camera can tell when the ball leaves the boot to the degree necessary for it to be foolproof. 

I have enjoyed not putting up with it this season. 

If it’s the same video as I’ve seen it certainly looks dodgy but also it does not show the position of the striker and the defender at the point the ball is kicked. 

I still think it’s a monumentally tight call. In real time and even the freeze frame I thought it was offside. Var lines are very close, that extra video puts a different slant on it but is entirely inconclusive on its own.

Steve Cooper would be a brilliant appointment. Ergo, it won’t happen.

I wonder how far we are from having offsides be as quick and accurate as GLT. They’ve already demoed semi autonomous offside systems in the WC and it seemed to speed things up a bit. Getting an onside/offside decision with 5 seconds would go a long way to sorting it IMO.  The tech might be a way off though.

Just now, saintant said:

The benchmark, is can a VAR official see from replays whether a player is offside without drawing lines? Make the decision based on that. If it is so marginal as to need lines just give the bloody goal.  Use it to correct any clear errors. VAR is ruining the game.  Coventry should have been awarded that goal and be in the Final. Using lines drawn on a flawed system is not absolute proof as it cannot factor in the exact moment the ball was kicked so let's introduce some common sense. Others will disagree and I get the arguments but that's what I'd like to see. 

Why is that better? If we’re having to go to VAR anyway, what difference do lines make? I don’t understand the logic, it’s either offside or it isn’t and once you’ve gone to VAR you may as well make it as accurate as you can.

3 minutes ago, sfc4prem said:

Agreed. So should VAR be limited to events and fouls; like Henry's handball against Ireland, or blatant red cards only given as yellows?

If we’re going to have VAR then it’s best off sticking to things like offside and ball out of play. A bit like GLT. Fouls are very opinion based and I really don’t like decisions being re-refereed in game time. I also dont like big mistakes being made, but I refer to my earlier point, it’s extremely difficult once you have VAR to have a benchmark of what is a clear and obvious error.

The genue is out of the bottle though, so all we can hope for is better officials to do a better job.

18 minutes ago, saintant said:

If you need to draw lines to prove a player is offside by 0.000000001 mm then it is a ridiculous system that is not fit for purpose. Use it only to rectify clear and obvious errors where an official has got it wrong and we can all see a player was offside from a replay without drawing bloody lines. Change the rule to that and it's the same for everyone . It's obviously not a fool proof system so let's have some common sense and stop all this nonsense.

But what is the benchmark of clear and obvious? 10cm? 30cm? A metre? Once you introduce a “factual” system like VAR it’s pretty difficult to add in benefit of the doubt and “clear and obvious”. Something is either shown to be offside, or it isn’t.

55 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

The genuine one doesn’t look much better. Looks like they literally put the line over the top of his foot.

The lines for tv are just illustrative and made bigger, the lines used in the studio are supposedly much thinner and “more accurate”.

I still wouldn’t trust our VAR officials as far as I could throw them. There was a reason none of them made the World Cup, bloody hopeless.

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Wasn’t it proven that the ball moves quicker than the camera can track from when it’s kicked to when the player is on or offside so there it will be inaccurate by a fraction, I think it was 13cms was the actual figure. 

 

1 hour ago, trousers said:

Yep, rings a bell. The system is flawed for marginal decisions. End of! 

I seem to recall that they increased the margin of error from this season, they made the lines bigger so that it’s not as marginal as it was. 

The problem with VAR is that once you introduce it as a supposedly factual system, you eliminate the notion of benefit of the doubt in favour of the attacker. And besides, people often say that they’d prefer to see decisions like today not given, but if it’s your own side it gets given against and it looks “factually” as if its probably offside, you’re probably going to be asking why. I’m just glad we don’t have it in the championship. But I still remember that Wembley final and the shocker of a decision to award offside, I’d have liked VAR then.

TBF for the decision today I was a bit surprised the lines got drawn so close, from the freeze frame I thought it was offside by a little bit.

23 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Ben Kingsley has an Indian father. His birth name is Krishna Pandit Bhanji.

As I said about Nelson Mandela, there are some historical characters whose lives are shaped totally by their ethnicity. I think you would agree that Martin Luther King would be in the same bracket as Nelson Mandela. A white person playing the part of a black activist is ridiculous. A black person playing a white English Queen is just an actor playing a role. There is a big difference isn’t there?

We have had decades of white actors playing the roles of black people and using make up. I am not going to get my knickers in a twist about a few black actors playing white roles and not using make up. 

 

So pretty much double standards is what you're suggesting.

White British queen, one of the most famous white queens in history: just an actor playing a role.

Black human rights activist, one of the most famous black rights activist in history: not just an actor playing a role, it would be ridiculous for a white person to do so.

Seems a very blurred and very confused line there of what is and isn't acceptable.  

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

What 'certain cases' ? If a black actor can play a Queen of England, why can't a white actor play MLK ? After all, Ben Kingsley played Ghandi.

Not exactly the best example to use. Ben Kingsley was born Krishna Pandit Bhanji, born in England to an English mother and ann Indian father. He has also openly admitted that he suntanned himself heavily to more “look the part” for filming Gandhi.

1 minute ago, Saint_clark said:

Horrible to say but I hope he's out for the season.

You’re right. That really is horrible to say.

Just now, Saint NL said:

Pompey promoted 

Genuinely couldn’t give a fuck.

Actually, that’s a lie. If we don’t go up this season then having a derby next season is massively preferable to me to not having one.

5 minutes ago, iansums said:

Just read an obituary about Eric Moody who was the heroic pilot who famously said the words “This is your captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped.” There was an Air crash investigations episode about it. A true hero. I think he used to post on here.

It was a bit more than that, from memory: “This is your captain speaking, we have a small problem. All four engines have stopped. We’re doing our damnedest to get them started again. I trust you’re not too distressed.”

3 hours ago, LeBizzier69 said:

So....will you be allocated a specific spot to stand on, as per seat number at the moment? Or just an area and stand where you like in it?

 

Yes, exactly the same. You’ll get a row and “seat” number plus a seat behind you which is folded up.

51 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

On balance, I think this move worked out for him.

Definitely for winning a medal. He’ll want to cement a place in the team though, he’s only started I believe 5 times in the league.

Much better than going to Burnley though…..

30 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

The Leicester six-yard box is an absolute clown show, Leeds have had some howlers - we don't have a monopoly on keeper concerns.

I'd prefer to concentrate more on why we don't take chances, most points have been dropped at the other end.

We are the second highest scorers in the league, we’re averaging almost exactly 2 goals per game which is pretty much identical to Ipswich who are top scorers by 4 but have played two games more. I don’t think scoring goals is any sort of undoing for us; it’s more the fact that we’ve conceded 54 goals, 8 other teams in the league have a better or equal goals against figure.

Ipswich have similar stats to us but have made it work much better. Leicester and Leeds have run a much tighter ship, 38 and 34 goals conceded respectively. If we’re in this league next season then much work is to be done on fixing that leaky defence.

Nicked this from the Ugly.

A small number of fans attended a meeting before today's game. It was very informative with a few surprises. 
1- 9000 safe standing places will installed The whole of the Northam will be safe standing, some of the Chapel and some in the away end 
2- in the next couple of weeks, a special deal will be announced (Cheaper tickets?) for the Northam 
3 Prices in other areas may rise 
4-The club are looking to build a pub open 7 days a week They are tied into Kingfisher beer for 1 more season, but hope to get the beer prices down to £4/£4.50 a pint 
5- Most of the parachute payment went on loan repayments (something to do with how the contracts were set up) 
6- if we don't get promoted, many players have said they will leave (no names!!) 
7-If the club can get the season tickets up to 24000 for a few seasons they would look at the possibility of expanding the ground 
8-The players notice that the noise from home fans is not that good compared to the support they get from Saints fans away 
9-There was more but can't remember!!!

all signed off and approved by the police/authorities . 
The Industrial estate will become the parking for the away coaches. 
Still unclear if it will be closed off to home fans. 
There is a little bit of work to do to build barriers at the Chapel end.

he said that club research had indicated that around 70% of Chapel fans said they would still go to the Chapel nest season

46 minutes ago, Badger said:

Does the capacity remain the same once safe standing is introduced? 
 

It was always said at The Dell that seats took up space than that needed to stand in. Does the reverse apply ? 

Pretty sure the regs for safe standing are that one seated space = one standing space. Some Europeans do it differently but for English/British sides it’s the standing in front of a folded seat system.

Fairly unsurprising news.

Now, what about those blue shorts and socks…….

Not many I’d have thought, I imagine Bondi ale houses are quite pricey.