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I think the ceasing of hostilities might be good for the next 3 hours or so. The A38M in Birmingham has been a pig and parking off the Lichfield Road the only option. COYR

That is a good idea. If the club can get parachute payments then why not keep your Saints customer loyalty points for say 2 years? It works for the airlines

Get used to it. The Club's current policy does nothing to stop away fans buying home tickets. Many people are paying to watch a lower level game to get on the priority list for their team. Empty seats at the lower level games highlight that the PAYG Saints fans don't want them either

Insults are not very mature. You might be a great bloke and a Saints diehard but the cold fact is that you are worth less to the club in financial terms with your 8 tickets than someone who has bought 19 tickets up front. Read some of the other posts about who I am taking to Man U but it matters not to me what you think. This thread has now moved on (if you took the time to read it) and we are now at a point where the consensus is growing that additional PAYG tickets should be available based on the total amount of tickets purchased and/or money invested in games, hospitality and merchandise. Some sort of Gold, Silver, Bronze categorisation would solve the problem when it comes to first choice on PAYG tickets.

So sad but so true. I suppose that I am conducting market research by canvassing the views of fellow Saints fans but not for the Club! Sadly many responses on this forum have convinced me that most of the fans will be bulldozed out of the way and not even realise it until too late.

No s**t Sherlock. Perhaps people will catch on that if you don't mind missing a few games it would be far cheaper under the current scheme to buy tickets for yourself and mates at the cheaper games and then be first in the queue for the big games. This pretty much guarantees a seat based on current sales and saves about £300 a seat when compared to a ST. You could achieve in 4 games what a ST holder can't in 19 - happy days.

When it comes to perks. How much of a fan you are is not the key point. How much you spend is. I can assure you that people in hospitality who have never attended a game in their lives are getting fawned over by the players, the staff and the management team much more than you ever will in your season ticket seat.

It does not matter if you are a fan or not. People who spend more with the club should get more privileges than those who don't (as they would in any other business). This thread has established that Season ticket holders are paying customers too and should be measured by their investment on a points basis along with other PAYG multiple tickets buyers. They would all then be given priority for additional PAYG tickets based on investment.

This time next year - he will be right - hopefully!

Good suggestions. I think the options that would be attractive to the Club are ones that would cost a lot for us but not for the Club. Meet the players is a great idea. Apologies for irritating you but I hate being pushed around by big business and wanted to get ideas to make a stand.

I could give you a company address and forward the mail and tickets on if it helps?

How rude! Actually, people started off disagreeing but we have come up with a variety on the theme that works. Your assumptions are also quite wrong and I would be offended by your post if not so thick skinned. With regards to revenue you actually supported my argument that ST holders can be abused when times are good but the Club craves our very relevant cash when further down the leagues. As you decided to get personal - I have no problem getting all the tickets I want due to the quantities purchased. However, for this Man U game I bought 1 ticket for my son who held a season ticket for 10 years until this year when he went away and his friend who is serving this Country abroad. I actually put his friend higher on the deserving list than most of us but it is our cash the Club wants and not our merit.

A nice post. I think most ST holders feel the same which is good for the fans who get tickets with them. This Man U game I have 2 extra tickets for my son and his Saints mad friend who gets back from Afghan on the 9 May after 6 months away. We were even lucky enough to get them in the same block as me and my other son. happy days!

Thanks Bearsy - it was a bit of a rough ride but I think we have come up with the principle of coming up with a system that rewards people who support the Club with their investment. I would love to have a system where people are rewarded for their love of the club but we have to survive in the real World.

Good point. However, enticing people to become season ticket holders is the prime option as it reduces admin costs in selling seats, gets repeat business at minimum cost and gets money upfront. Loyalty points would take care of that issue whilst allowing the people who spend the most money to have first priority on PAYG tickets

You are quite right of course. There is no question that you can be a great fan from a great distance. However, people living far away who do not get to attend often may feel threatened by a rewards system based on spend/investment with the Club. My objection was to the assertion that the argument was done and dusted when actually we are making progress with an alternative solution. To be clear, this is not personal or about me as I get tickets whenever I want. This is not about who is a good fan or a bad fan. This is about business people making decisions that are bad for business i.e. taking benefits off the people who put the most money into the business. I for one am now sold on the points system as opposed to a season ticket holder based system

Very good :-)

Good point - well made. I often buy tickets for 2 ex season ticket holders who have spent the last 5 years on and off in Iraq and Afghan. I think that this is generally the case rather than buying tickets for fans of Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea etc

Thanks for this. I think this is the real solution as it rewards all people who put money into the club based on how much they invest. After all, someone could spend thousands on individual match tickets and not be a season ticket holder. I welcome the feedback and would change my views based on this approach as it is fairer and makes business sense.

The Club is a business pure and simple. It needs to look after the people who support the business for survival. It just so happens that the main supporters of the business mainly come in 2 large categories - hospitality attendees who may or may not be fans of the Saints (generally aren't) and stay away when the business is doing badly and season ticket holders who are fans who turn up through thick and thin. Being a fan and not stumping up the cash is all very nice but does not pay the bills

Agreed. However, language is something that has to adapt to the person being responded to if a message is to be got across. The issue at hand is simple - do not take perks off the people who pour the cash into a business. If a business chooses this route then watch out when times are bad - and they will be bad again (but hopefully not too soon!)

Nasty and not funny

The world war 2 Polish community has nothing much in common with the current lot apart from the language. I grew up with the children of that older Polish community and they have integrated so well that you would never know their heritage.

lol very funny :-)

In reality - most season ticket holders do not buy tickets for plastics; they buy for their family or friends or other saints fans who cannot attend regularly for a variety of reasons. They should have the right to bring guests who may or may not be regular attendees. In any other business the shareholders or club members get the perks - they get discounts on company products, they get first dibs on new shares, they get first choice on functions. You do not get a more 'real' fan than a season ticket holders. Other football clubs offer this so called 'perk' to season ticket holders why not Saints