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No ThreeLions you are the dumbest person on here. You're probably the only hooligan in history to get banged up without throwing a punch.

Here's a brilliant video from the UKIP website... http://www.ukip.org/content/latest-news/1364-lord-monckton-on-climate-change

SOLAR PROBE WARMS HOPES OF CLIMATE CHANGE SCEPTICS THE sun’s impact on the climate on Earth may work in the opposite way to what has previously been believed, a study suggests. Climate change sceptics last night seized on the results to suggest our understanding of global warming may have to be reconsidered. Until now it has been assumed that when solar activity – like sunspots and dramatic solar flares – is in a reduced phase it leads to less warming of the Earth. But the new research, which focuses on a three-year period between 2004 and 2007, suggests the contrary may be true. As solar activity waned at the end of one of the sun’s 11-year cycles, the new data shows the amount of energy reaching the earth at visible wavelengths rose rather than fell. Scientists believe it may also be possible that during the next up-turn of the cycle, when sun activity increases, there might be a cooling effect at the Earth’s surface. During the past century, overall solar activity has been increasing. If the new findings apply to long as well as short time periods, this could translate into a small degree of cooling rather than the slight warming effect shown in existing climate models. This would effectively turn received wisdom on its head. Climate change sceptic Christopher Monckton said last night: “You really have to look at a much bigger timescale, not just three years. But we know there’s a very close correlation between changes in temperature of the earth’s surface and solar activity.” Lord Monckton added: “The conclusion this report comes to is consistent with the growing movement among solar physicists that the sun has a much greater effect on climate change than the straight-forward measurable changes in its output would lead us to suspect.” UKIP MEP Godfrey Bloom said: “This report further guides us to the logical conclusion that solar activity was responsible for the Minoan, Roman and Medieval warm periods and the little Ice Age, the fact that uninhabited planets in the solar system are warming and cooling cyclically and why there has been no global warming for 12 years, an unchallenged fact. “Politicians and big business really must reappraise the rather unlikely scenario that climate change is due to man-made CO2 emissions.” http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/203989/Solar-probe-warms-hopes-of-climate-change-scepticsSolar-probe-warms-hopes-of-climate-change-sceptics#ixzz18PBV92Z8

Why didn't you mention sun spots? Why do you deny the correlation?

I won't report you. I accept your apology.

Read the thread.

So do you deny that there is a correlation between sun spot activity and climate. In other words do you deny facts? Have you ever wondered how the climate changed before the industrial revolution?

So you can use racist terms in this context. I see. I didn't realise this was allowed. Please accept my apologies.

But they are supposed to be pretty good at predicting the weather, are they not? They are recognised as a respected body in their field, are they not? I put it to you that if they can't, in your own words, predict the weather 2 days ahead then scientists can't predict the weather in a decade or a centuries time.

So you're centre right and therefore it's ok for you to be racist?

Talk us through this graph badger. Explain to us why the blue line's correlation to the red line is pure co-incidence.

So forum rules don't apply when it's a left winger making racist comments?

Yet you believe them about climate change over the coming decades and centuries. How strange.

Why is it that left wingers are allowed to post racist comments? If I or any right winger did the same we'd be banned.

This winter was supposed to be mild, last summer was supposed to be a "barbeque summer". What happened?

GREEN POLICIES PUT BRITAIN AT A GLOBAL DISADVANTAGE IT is bizarre and outrageous that at a time of great national austerity enormous sums are being spent on the new religion of combating climate change. Ministers are set to authorise spending of £150billion over the next two decades in the cause of cutting Britain’s carbon emissions. That would mean Britain spending more than Germany, France and Italy put together. Were a mere fraction of this sum switched into higher education then there would be no need whatever to raise tuition fees, while damaging defence cuts could also be avoided. According to climate change expert Professor Ian Fells the Government’s policy will see household energy bills going “up and up in a startling way”. Yet one by one, all the most dire predictions of the global warmers are being proved incorrect. Along with warnings of disappearing Himalayan glaciers, we now learn that forecasts of huge rises in sea levels are also wide of the mark. Anyone who has ventured outside recently will surely acknowledge that it now appears unlikely that 2010 will be remembered as an exceptionally warm year in Britain. Committing the nation to clearing emission hurdles that other countries shy away from is putting us at a major competitive disadvantage. A more pragmatic approach is long overdue. http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/215966/Green-policies-put-Britain-at-a-global-disadvantageGreen-policies-put-Britain-at-a-global-disadvantage#ixzz18OwbmWto

Are you including the University of East Anglias Claimate research unit?

Bafger I think it's best we agree to disagree. In time I will be proved right as scientists and governments back track. I hope you have the good grace to admit you were wrong.

Forget the left wing crap and look at the facts. Every warming and cooling in recorded history is linked to Sun spots. Middle ages warm period - increase in sun spot activity 18th Century little Ice age - decrease in sunspot activity 1970's (when global cooling was in the news) - decrease in sunspot activity Now - Increase in sunspot activity The next decade - It will get cooler as sun spot activity is decreasing. We're going to be hearing some right crap over the next few years as Scientists/governments backtrack and try to distance themselves form the stupidity of believing in man made global warming..

I don't believe in Man made global warming. I think it's natural and man has next to no influence on it. Locally yes man can affect climate - smog etc, but globally I don't buy it. There's a whole industry that is booming on this lie, backed up by scientists who have been proven to have exagerated figures. And then there's governments that see a brilliant opportunity for taxation.

GREEN HYSTERIA MEANS WE FACE A BLEAK FUTURE AS we shiver in the coldest start to winter in living memory, you may wonder whatever happened to global warming. Good news! Doomsday is indefinitely postponed. Three years ago, the UN inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change (iPCC) made blood-curdling fore- casts of melting ice caps causing sea levels to rise 13ft by 2100. such low-lying countries as The Maldives and Bangladesh would be submerged. London and New York would be swamped. Last week, the Met Office downgraded the prediction to a “worst case” threat of only 6ft. in a masterpiece of understatement, even this is said to be “unlikely” and a more plausible figure is eight inches. As this is just a game of think-of-a-number, we might as well consult Mystic Meg, especially as only five weeks ago the Met Office predicted a “milder than average winter”. Will this chink of doubt silence the prophets of doom? No. There’s too much money at stake for that. Man-made global warming is a new religion whose high priests and acolytes’ well-paid jobs depend on propagating their vision of hell- fire and destruction. As i write, 20,000 of them are basking in sunshine at the upmarket Mexican resort of Cancun for the latest iPCC junket. why aren’t such gatherings ever held in places like sunderland or Detroit, where the beach is likely to be less of a distraction? Their jumbo jets roar on the Tarmac, the five-star hotels are all full and fleets of air- conditioned limos ensure the delegates never break into a sweat however warm the globe gets. so much for the fat-cat hypocrites’ own carbon footprint. Dr vicky Pope, the Met Office’s chief guru on climate change, however, seems to have been a victim of global cooling. she got stuck in eight inches of snow at Gatwick. regrettably Chris huhne, the Climate Change secretary, did get to Can- cun to report on an “alarming pattern of extreme weather events” in Britain, causing insurers to pay £4.5billion for flood damage in the past 10 years compared with £1.5billion in the previous decade. he got these figures from an Association of British insurers report but what he didn’t say was that all of the increase was due to a single event: the floods of summer 2007 which cost £3billion. huhne failed to emphasise that these floods distorted the figures. he behaved just like the academics in the Climategate scandal who were recently exposed for using selective figures to “hide the decline” in global temperatures since 1995. Full marks to Dr Pope for rapping huhne, by saying: “it is misleading to say the summer floods of 2007 were caused by climate change. Twenty years is a very short time to look for a signal of man-made climate change.” The ABi also said: “we were careful not to blame the increase on climate change. we are not climatologists. we always get episodes of bad weather in this country.” Why didn’t huhne add these caveats? ex-Labour MP Phil woolas has been expelled from Parliament for lying about his Lib Dem opponent. if a Lib Dem Cabi- net minister peddles lies about a major policy costing taxpayers billions of pounds a year shouldn’t he be chucked out, too? even if the warmists’ dire predictions were credible it would still be ridiculous to think we could influence the weather without dramatically culling the world’s population and reducing the survivors to pre-industrial revolution poverty. it beg- gars belief that, with a deficit of £150billion a year, the Government is still committed to spending £18.3billion annually to meet carbon-reduction targets in the last government’s Climate Change Act. It is wrecking the countryside with for- ests of giant wind turbines and fields carpeted with black solar panels. At stallingborough in Lincolnshire, a German company has applied for planning permis- sion for two 493ft turbines. Berkshire residents are fuming over plans for others 426ft tall, visible for more than 20 miles. Yet none of this will do anything to “save the planet”. winds are so variable you have to duplicate power sources or lights will go off. similarly, we don’t get enough sun to make solar energy practicable. A correspondent tells me that last Tues- day, the UK Grid reached its peak load of more than 60 gigawatts of electricity. wind power contributed only 133 megawatts of this, just 5.5 per cent of its theoretical maximum and a pathetic 0.2 per cent of the peak load. Yet we are all paying a stealth tax equal to eight per cent of our electricity bills for this under the renewables Obligation. LOW-INCOME families and elderly people struggle to find the cash to keep warm while fat-cats like the iPCC delegates swan around at taxpayers’ expense in the Mexican sunshine. “Green” energy is forcing millions more to live in fuel poverty and the Climate Change Act will make things worse still in the years ahead. For many families the paradoxical legacy of the global warming hysteria will be hypothermia. As this is Christmas though, let me say i approve of some forms of carbon-capture. Over Yuletide i intend to improve my own carbon footprint. The gas in champagne is pure CO2 and i intend to capture as much as possible in my body. if there were a subsidy for that under the Climate Change Act, even i might be prepared to support it. http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/217018/Green-hysteria-means-we-face-a-bleak-future

I don't think there can be any truth in this.

They would be up in Manchester.

If I was a geek and had the first idea how to make a video i'd use this song. I've got it all planned out in my head. I'd mix in quotes. "The Lady is not for turning" "no no no" " "everyone wants to sit with the Tories" "The lady is not for turning" "To cure the British disease with socialism was like trying to cure leukaemia with leeches" "I know it was right to sink her and I would do the same again". With my imagination and geeks skills I know we could make one of the most watched youtube hits ever. [video=youtube;SaV-6qerkqI]