raynesparksaint

As well as errors, such as the one high-lighted above, when you find something written that is factually correct but is expressed in away that will mislead it's reasonable to question the writer's intention. Daniel Story says that of the 26 players to appear for Southampton in the league last season, eight have left the club. We all know of three, Mané, Wanyama and Pellé. To find another 5 you have to include Kelvin Davis, who played one game, and the likes of Stekelenberg, Caulker, and Juanmi, none of whom had any future with the club. Who the eighth might be, I have no idea unless he's include Ramirez, who I don't think actually played a league game before he was loaned out.

To quote a vague statistic to give the impression that last year's squad has been broken apart is a very good example of bad journalism where the writer decides first what story he/she wants to tell and then manipulates the facts to suit the desired conclusion.

People who might be misled by the article are those who know very little about the club and probably care even less to I'm not sure that it matters; or why the writer even bothered.

Ramirez came on as sub v Liverpool away... set up Mane's goal

Sigurdsson for Vorm and Ben Davies.

 

Kevin Davies for Egil Østenstad

 

Wayne Bridge for Graeme Le Saux

Hmm...I remember these being more like a significant fee plus a makeweight

There's a fair greater chance after tonight's result and yet saints fans seem to think liverpools goal is the end of world.

The last minute goal is still annoying, as had Liverpool lost tonight it would have meant a draw for us against Palace would've been enough to stay above them (barring a huge win for them against WBA)

Talented player who is made of glass and ill equipped for the PL.

I guess many thought the same about Coutinho. You never really know until you try em out

Stop pretending you can afford nice things

He's gone

He'd be in the England team but for getting injured at a vital time.

Bit of a stretch to say that IMO

If McCarthy is next in the pecking order then it might be wise to give him an outing on Wednesday

Got to be Bournemouth!

It's not Pelle's first either...

No more than we deserved. Tactics spot on

We shouldn't be loaning £15m players to teams competing for similar positions. Not happy

Completely agree mate we are a laughing stock.

I assume you are talking about yourself personally and not Saints as a whole. If so you are spot on.

I think that most people will be looking at us and thinking we probably slightly over-achieved last season, and have cashed in very sensibly on players that wanted to leave. We have now brought in a new manager with a solid reputation, who will try and retain some of the key players for the rebuilding project, of which he has a significant transfer kitty to bolster the squad.

Hilarious stuff.

Liverpool have been put in pot 3 for the Champions League. Means they will be in a group with one of Real Madrid, Athletico Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich or Benfica and also one of PSG, Juventus, Dortmund, Schalke, Shakhtar Donetsk or Basel.

 

Looks like they'll be falling at the first hurdle!

 

It's not worth moving to Liverpool for six games in the Champions League!

You don't think they would qualify from a group with Benfica and Basle?

Surprised Chambers not mentioned once anywhere, considering he's kept Clyne out of the team for the majority of the season. Personally I don't think there is much between them and either would be a good option from the bench.

I think we both called this one very very early.

You are the best

MLG - Fancy a pint some time?

I agree Ramirez might have added a spark in the latter stages today, but what we were really lacking was someone up top with some clever movement or some out and out width. It was a shame Clyne went off as he looked like he could have been the key. All too often we got in promising positions and yet tried to play impossible passes through the centre. The Stoke defence was well-drilled and didn't really break sweat dealing with our play in the final third.

No.

Jason Dodd v Everton away under hoddle. Massive bogey ground for us at the time

Why is there no aspirin in the jungle?

Keep him. Who cares if its a world record for a player in his position? His value is only going to go up. Remember the last two quality LBs we had, Bridge and Bale were both sold on for higher fees after they left us.

If we say no, it will be as much of a statement of intent as us going out and spending 30m. It would show the players, fans, other clubs and prospective transfer targets we are no longer the selling club of a few years ago and we have real ambition.

I reckon a poll is in order?

Good squad player, let Fox and Hooiveld go as he better than both in both positions.

The point is that he is not happy being a squad player in WC year

Can't really criticise him for only being good in the championship.. when that's the only league he plays in? He did well for England U21's in the game I saw too.

This doesn't mean he is the standard we want or need, but equally it doesn't mean he isn't either

Was I watching a different match? I thought Shaw had a good game today, particularly going forward in the 2nd half