Barry Sanchez

Why should someone change political party? The tories promised one? The Unions have many sceptics in their ranks? With a Liberal you know you are getting Europe. http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/123776

France has simply delayed the pain whilst others have started it already, they wont know whats hit them when the cuts start. Two tier states, who decides that? Will it be rigged like the original entry?

Irony, so you dont believe in principle that the people of this Country should be given a vote in whether its in Europe or out of it? You can answer the question you know.

The rise of Golden Dawn says a lot to what the Greeks are thinking.

Rabid for the people to have their say, whats wrong with that?

Centre ground if you must know solent, had you down as a rabid anti Government conspiracist theory guy living in the shed.........................

Labelling, classy, are you denying an in-out vote? Its thats simple, I have not even stated I am pro or anti European,againits thats simple, you appear to live in a ****hole, dont act like it with insults.................

Not that I am aware of, have you? Any guidance?

Who has said that? A principle can not be bought, never knew the extreme left valued money so much? A denial of democracy is what this is about, not the possible result, the advocates of this denial might as well go and live in Syria, it seems it their form of democracy..............

No not at all, you are simply hiding behind a wall, a simplistic guise, why vote at all? Should there ever be by-elections?

You forget we sent New Zealand nearly bankrupt, we stabbed them in the back for closer persons who do it now every day for £Billions a year.

He is of his party, never a true tory, you can call my posts what you want thats your right, you are simply advocating denying a rightful vote because you dont like the risk nor the possible outcome, thats very open minded...............................

No I'm not calling anyone anything, that statement sounded like it would come out of Wolfie Smith's mouth, a soft excuse for us mere afflicted not to get a vote which is our right.

Again, thats completely moot, your opinion and a denial of offering someone a vote because its not what you agree with, the extreme left are sounding for fascist every moment.

If Northern Ireland joined the South they would/will be far poorer, do you think they shouldn't have the vote when the time comes and do you think they shouldn't vote for as they would be poorer?

Every person who veers to the extreme left has more love for Europe than they do their own Nation, most extreme left persons hate this Country and all its traditions, you can also take that to the bank.

Some of the left simply cant or wont believe there are people of a socialist persuasion that are anti EU. They are naive babies.

What about the Unions, some of whom are anti Europe as it stands?

The issue of whether people are clever enough to understand what they are voting for has nothing to do with me and I wouldn't like intelligence tests at polling booths, the pro European camp are very very happy to not give us the vote for obvious reasons and neither do the political parties, this is whats wrong, they dont have the stomach for it and politicians lives are short. What about whats right about letting the Countries people have their say? And what funniest and the most ironic of this is it the left in the main denying the democracy, I say this as a member of the Labour Party for 20 years.

Badger, leave it, you understand there are prominent left politicians who want the vote, Dennis Skinner for one. So not only do you ignore the evidence, you wont hold a politician to account as you agree with their stance? You are coming across worse.

You have never heard of the extreme left?

The will of the public want it, the tories stated they would give it as well. What has the death penalty got to do with this? If you want we can have a vote on that as well as your argument would appear to state thats a bigger denial of democracy?

Whether you think the voter is dumb is moot, that argument is poor as most voters in fact care hence they are voting, you should possibly point the finger at the ones who dont vote? I want to be given opinions and options by both the parties to make up my mind but again thats a side issue, democracy and the people WANT a vote so we should have it.

You appear to be a tad to the right on me of a definiton of what pro democracy actually is though so there is a rather large gap in our thinking.

So by that logic Australia will forever be a Constitional Monarchy as they had the vote before? I thought leftist persons were all for reason and valid change. 1974, it was rhetorical, I was not born then, hardly democratic.