saintjay77

When's that going to happen then ? anytime soon ? they are both so shiit they cannot even get on the bench in a sqaud screaming for even a little bit of quality

How the hell would I know? I just said I would be hapoy for them to prove me wrong cause so far I dont see why they feel they should be wearing the Red and White stripes of Saints FC!

Well the current masterplan under your idol is really working well isn't it!

Lower gates, shocking squad of the poorest quality we have had, alienated and rampaging fan base .

Yes we would of lost the loanees you mentioned but would Pearson of brought in lesser quality than what we have now ? Only Pericard was a waste but I can see why he brought him in as we were lacking height and a big striker.

How do you know Pearson would of struggled...exactly you dont and you use that every time to disguise the fact that this Dutch experiment is a complete farce.

I do not hold up Pearson as a god and we only won 3 but only lost 3 as well.

He did not have the benefit of a pre-season like this Dutch joke of your idol.

Like I said I want all 3 out of the club but at least under Crouch he put right the Dodd/Gorman farce this lot again followed the same mistake for a 4th time!

All our arguments on either side uare based on Mights and Could of's.

The Dutch experiment hasnt worked yet but the overdraft is being reduced and if we are talking about bringing in another player or 2 so I am guessing the threat of Admin is easing.

The English system that Crouch wants has had over 10 years of effort with mainly Lowe the toss pot in charge but also when Wilde and then Crouch took over. How much good has it really done us?

Dutch experiment mark 1 didnt work but Mark 2 has already shown he can make a change or 2 and it has made a difference. If he reverts back to a system that doesnt work more will want him gone but if he goes with what worked from the last game and builds on it why should we make yet another change?

I know Crouch and Pearson didnt get a fair crack at it but I was more fearful of ending up in Admin with him than I am with Lowe. Even though there is obviously a strong possibility it can still happen .

Saintjay I hear what your saying but it could be better, instead of Saints loaning/signing 15 poor players that can't get in the team then sub-sequently leave. We could of only signed 5, used the saving from the other 10 and made sure the 5 we'd signed we're better players and paying them more!

I understand that too bud but half the argument on here is made of IFs and Could of's and Rumours that turn into facts because they get told so often.

I thought Pearson deserved a chance and I agree he would probably have brought in better players. JP and co brought in too many naff players IMO although I would be happy for the likes of Gasmi and Pulis to prove me wrong.

That said, the players that we put out on the pitch each week have shown several times that they are more than capable of putting in a decent performance and had they done it consistently we would be much higher up the league. again its another IF though.

There isn't £6m being touted about though.

 

There's Crouch saying "I'll put £2m if you two do" which is just a convenient way of saying "I'm not going to put £2m in but I can make a fan-friendly point that makes me look good".

 

He might as well say that to me, because I'm just as likely to put £2m in as Lowe and Wilde, and Crouch damn well knows that. (not about me, Wilde and Lowe).

 

There's plenty of people witholding their twenty quids and not turning up at present, and they have my blessing to do as they please. But one can hardly blame anyone else for not putting in two million pounds.

Fair point but I am just saying things as I read it. 2 million each works out as the 6 million and Crouchs plans were as I said before or so its been told. This is how he is trying to win the support to get his foot back in the door and if we all fall for it we could end up with the same sittuation but different faces again.

I didn't state a figure. I said they would be better.

And with Crouch AND Pearson in charge we would be in a better league position.

no you said

"Your point that gates would not be better under Crouch and Pearson than they are now is rubbish."

I said I doubt they would be much better had the situation been the same. I dont see how what i said was rubbish?

I dont see why we are arguing over it as its all based on IF's

Crouch may have come in and brought 10 million with him and we could be riding high right now. The people at the top though decided to side with who ever they did for there own reasons and are tryint to do things about the situation. Untill Crouch comes up with some hard evidence that he can do better I dont see why we should all jump ship again.

Our average this season is 16,836, so a drop of 5,500, not 7,000, and the average ticket price isn't anywhere near £25. Very few tickets are available for the top-priced £26. I'm led to believe the average, taking into account student, OAP and junior concessions is less than £20.

 

With those figures, the additional revenue is £2.5m. Still significant, certainly, but not anywhere near as much as you claim.

 

Of course, once the club has that additional revenue, perhaps Leon Crouch might then think that the club doesn't need him to put £2m in, as the situation with a £3.5m overdraft rather than a £6m one is much more manageable.

I thought the overdraft was around 6 million at the start of the season but now around 4.5 million? the 6 m illion that is being touted about now would clear our overdraft and get a new manager in while paying off our current ones and give the new manager some cash to buy some players alledgedly.

It was a decent side that got us to the play-offs, (despite some weird substitution decsions on GB's part imo). And gates were good.

 

But by the time that Burley left we had acquired a very large, unwieldy squad that he didn't know how to use.

 

Your point that gates would not be better under Crouch and Pearson than they are now is rubbish.

 

But I agree we desperately need a whole new Board of different people.

So you think like i said if we were in the same position with Crouch in charge gates would still be up in or near the 20000s?

1 win in 14, 2nd from bottom in the league, cant win at home, unable to play our better players, loaning in carp cause we cant afford better. this is what i meant about being in the same position. And you really believe the crowds would still stick by the team through that? Im sorry but no matter who is manager/chairman/owner if the situation is as bad as it is today we would have many empty seats in SMS.

Just to clear a couple of points up so we can all deal in facts :-

 

Plymouth - 17,806

Ipswich - 23,299

Leiccester - 17,741

Coventry - 22,014

Bristol - 22,890

Burnley - 21,762

Shef Utd - 31,086

 

Total = 156,5980

Average = 22,371

 

That equates to 7k more fans to each home game, averaging @ £25 per game = £175,000 which come the end of the season equates to an extra £4m+ coming into the coffers which apys 2 3rd's of the overdraft of, not to mention the £2m Crouch has personally offered!!

 

Note: I'm not stupid enough to suggest everything would of been rosy under Crouch, just using the figures to make a point!

Were there not more season ticket holders last season? was the early bird renewal being taken up while Crouch was in charge?

Not trying to distort your figures but many had decided to give up coming this season before Lowe had returned and If we are going to deal with Facts can we stop with what would happen IF Crouch was in charge this season?

im not trying to say people are not staying away because of lowe being here and accept there would probably be larger gates but going back to an IF for a sec, IF we were in the same position in the table now had Crouch been here I doubt the gates would have been all that impressive.

One of the most sensible posts I have read on here lately IMO and totally concur.

I asked the other day for a Luvvie to name one thing that he has done since his return that has been successful and the silence was deafening.

Ok maybe that we actually haven't gone into admin yet but is that more to do with aviva/Barclays not wanting to pull the plug?

The thing that angers me most was loaning Stern John and then bringing the likes of Gasmi who is no better than anything else we have at the club and is very, very lightweight and added to Pulis, Robertson, Pekhart is absurd.

I havnt seen Scooby post here for ages so thats probably why you didnt get a reply.

Wilde campaigned to get rid of Lowe for bloody ages yet after he royally ballsed it up he went back to Lowe for help to get things straight. He could have teamed up with Crouch to get rid of the execs and kept Lowe out of it. Crouch was happy to be the figure head and has ideas of his own on how a football club should be run.

But why didnt he? If his main aim was to keep us out of admin and he chose Lowe who he hates over Crouch who helped him kick Lowe out last time does that not suggest that Lowe has a purpose?

not saying I like it but I dont hate him just because he has sided with the goon we all hate the most and if there was a definate better alternative that offered more than empty promises im sure that 99.9 % ( the missing .1 % is scooby of corse ) would be united in trying to get a change.

Right now the choices we have are alltas bad as each other IMO

With that I totally agree and until all 3 are banished from Saints for good then we will still be in the ****e.

Of all 3 I want Wilde out far more than any other though.

My choice on which one I want out the most changes on a daily bases but I try to at least see things how they are or how they could be so rarly get worked up enough to have a go at anyone. Some people on the boards cant see past there hatred for one of the other and that gets in the way of some prety decent debate on here sometimes.

You are assuming that Pearson wouldn't have disposed of some of our more expensive players. Because (scenario 1) if Lowe had stayed with Pearson there would still have been cost-cutting measures. Pearson didn't approve of the whole squad he inherited. He made that quite clear after suffering several defeats. The difference is that Pearson is pragmatic and, as at Leicester, he has proved he would have been able to work with a leaner squad, including youngsters. But a better balanced one, as you agree, I think.

 

The question is whether Lowe would have trusted Pearson's professional judgement, or whether he, the amateur, would not have imposed his own team selection on Pearson, which would have been disastrous. Pearson would not have stood this. He would leave.

 

So what IF Crouch had remained director with Pearson in charge of team matters (scenario 2)?

 

Well, he had already loaned out Rasiak and Skacel, which proves that he was aware of the need to make drastic economies. Most of the expensive players he had inherited and had been brought in by Burley, not Crouch. (Who was it that appointed Burley?)

 

And the Bank would be insisting on drastic economies, just like they have been doing with Lowe. With Crouch, as you admit, Barclays would certainly have not been so exasperated with gates falling as much as they have done under Lowe.

 

Lowe and Wilde's spin against Crouch was effective but misleading.

A bit hypocritical this really. You suggest Lowe would be picking the team and players yet you complain about the players GB brought in.

GB took us to within a game or 2 of the prem with those players so they cant of been that bad.

The idea that Lowe picks the team has come from rumours and have been spouted about so much that many believe them to be fact. IMO its a load of balls and doesnt do anyone any favours by continuing to be spouted out. If the team is restricted due to finances then this would still be the case no matter who is at the top. But as its rupes its told like he picks the team, Rasiak was loaned out when Crouch was here so effectivly he was telling Pearson he coulndt pick him. Same thing in my book only now we dont have anyone wanting to loan the players we cant afford to pay.

If we were in the same position in the league under crouch this season then I doubt the gates would be much different as they are now so Barcleys would still be looking for realistic ways of getting the overdraft reduced. Saying that we are all only guessing and IF doesnt mean jack as we will never know.

The only thing we can garentee is that Lowe and Wilde are muppets and the sooner they are gone the better. Is Crouch any better? Evidence so far suggests to me that he is not so I cant see the point in changing things to him.

So the home game against Bristol City was empty?

I didnt say any game was empty and I didnt say any game would be empty. I was there for the plymouth game which was his 1st game and the crowd were all that much better than many crowds this season.

Bristol City were flying high at the time and we generally get a good crowd when ever we play teams from the top or the bottom of the league. using that as an example is as much use as using the Man U game as an example this season.

I accept that if we were at the top of the table we would have much bigger crowds, but that goes for the current lot too right?

I dont see how the current mess's would be any better or worse to be honest with him in charge. They are all pr1cks of the highest order and I would only welcome a change if there was more evidence than a solent interview of things being actually better.

Jesus that guy is full of the same wind as the other 2.

When he was here last the only time we had a decent crowd was the last day of the season. before that the numbers were going down week on week.

Financial problems were also here when he was here last time and wasnt he planning to close the corners too? And get rid of the bus deal? Didnt he also cash in on the Theo deal and then say he hadnt? so allot of the decissions that have made rupes and wilde so unpopular he would have made too but because he made them we would be OK financially and more people in the gates.

Ill give him the benifit of doubt that pearson would have got us more points but the team we have right now has largly been dictated by the financial mess that he is a part of, so I cant honestly say i think Pearson would have done that much better with the same team considering the results he had last season with a team much stronger on paper.

Someone needs to come up with the reddys to sort out our problems. I mean actually turn up with cash. not talk about getting the cash or promising cash wouldnt be a problem or talking about investers that will turn up when this person or that person leaves.

It just sounds like he is trying to stir up the fans much like Wilde did the 1st time. If we fall for it this time I think there should be a condition that we can throw him off the Itchen Bridge should he be full of hot air.

dont swansea want to buy him?

Does that mean we will sell him? Ok stupid question lol.

Have we completely lost Holmes then? Haven't had the radio on since the match finished. Is he out for months again?

Just heard his knee had gone and was taken off. I may be fearing the worst but its only a question.

Jusst wondering as he seems to have got allot better and with us losing Holmes it sounds like we might need a winger.

Would he be supported if he came back and brought his new found form with him?

He scored 3 in his first 3 starts, then was dropped. I wish DMG was that a*se.

Was that last season? If so i stand corrected but I wasnt trying to amke a scape goat of him when GB noshed up most of our season. Was just pointing out what I thought.

Since he's already played for two clubs this season I don't think he can be transfered anymore.

I suggested that at the start of January but someone suggested that the league rules say you cant play for more than 2 English clubs in a season so that Loan might not count. ???

As is your deliberate selectivity over facts.

 

Burley shat all over him last season, just like he did to Rasiak in the middle of the previous season

GB brought him here and offered him a contract based on how good he proved to be. the following season he was arse and eventually got dropped or played in other positions.

I wouldnt have said that GB shat all over him based on that.

Personally I would still play him ahead of McGoaldrick but he was hardly prolific last season and wasnt that prolific when he went out on loan either.

relieved considering half time score. will wait to see if he or the team learnt any lessons by the time we play swansea huh

MLT baffled that Saga wasn't in the team.

any chance Wotte was proving a point to the poweres that be or is that stretching conspiricy theorys a bit far? lol

Jan Paul Saeijs tonight...

 

What ever job you have you are a bleedin legend. thought I would thank you for the pics you send.

On an even better note>.......

Get the Feck In!!!!!!!!!!!!! After the 1st half I didnt see a hope in hell how we would come close to scoring let alone get level!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wotte tonight at Carrow Road...

 

You put yourrrrrrrrrr....... Right arm in, Your right arm out... In, Out, In, Out, you shake it all about....

Hang on a min......... Is that Graham Norton?

****ing ****, what a load of mother****ing ****s we have at this ****ing arse of a **** pile of toss club.

Funny as I was thinking something very similar

Not to be too simplistic about this, if WE win every game, it's all irelevant!!!!!

LOL your so much better at comedy than me