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By documented, I assume you mean covered and confirmed by the few companies responsible for the world's broadcast and print media? No. Nope, I'm not against Semites, or Jews for that matter. I don't have a great deal of time for Israel itself, which I consider to be a rogue state. Until last week, I have never heard either name. Believe is too strong a term. I consider it possible. They resemble each other, Vogt's pre-existing injuries fits the conspiracy theory and with government complicity, anyone can be created. Intelligence services seed imaginary people into various systems so their agents can wear their identities. Some photos in the mass media and a Facebook page enough for ya, Verbs? How do you know that they are easy to contact? Have you tried contacting them yourself? If so, how did you verify that you were speaking to the people you assumed you were speaking to? What about emails? Seriously, this is your burden of proof? I'd certainly accept that a one-day lockdown of Boston isn't remotely comparable to the experiences you claim you had. But then, when else have you seen this happen for the capture of a 19 year old male? You can try to downplay the Boston lockdown by comparing it with the sh!tholes you've spent time in. I'm not sure how your experiences there are germane to the unprecented lockdown in Boston. Warrantless searches, police in military gear and vehicles, people told to stay in their homes. They were testing the waters, to see how much they could get away with. They never wanted a clean capture. They wanted a publicised manhunt; a rousing Hollywood-style climax to Monday's story. You only have to look at the rhetoric of the day to suss that out. Tweet from Boston PD. THE SEARCH IS DONE. THE TERROR IS OVER. AND JUSTICE HAS WON. Yeah, that's due process, right there.

I am at work, and behind a large firewall. I will answer all three of your questions later. In the meantime, Marshall Law is a Tekken character. Martial law is what you meant, dumbass.

You were saying, Tim?

I have sympathy for the families of anyone who loses someone. Respect for the dead is actually a tough one. For starters, the law makes no provisions. You can't libel the dead, for example. Also, where do you draw the line? Do you respect the older Tsarneav, because he is dead?

Good hit piece. Puffs up the Muslim angle and makes big of the mother's shoplifting charge.

Oh, and one more thing. I have plenty of experience with "Marshall Law", thanks. Played Tekken 2 extensively during 96-97.

Great idea. "Hello, I'm phoning to determine if you are real..." "Bzzzt"

Is he f**k. He's doing what he normally does, well written strawman boll*cks. He addresses, and then immediately dismisses, the 20 year campaign of terror and murder carried out on civilian populations in Italy. It's not relevant, he says. Most of the rest of his overlong and w4nky post is little more than an attack, or an attempt to lump me in with the American right and anti-Semites. It's pathetic, but works on some people, apparently.

I've just looked it up. Might be worth a watch. I'm not massively into the film references, but they are fun. The expiry date on Neo's passport is a popular one.

I'd like to address the Operation Gladio reference. Verbal is doing his usual job of misrepresentation and obfuscation. I never said it had anything to do with the FBI. For the hard of reading, they were a NATO stay behind group operating in Italy committing terrorist atrocities on the Italian public for over 20 years. They committed these acts with the full sanction and operational support of Western governments, both in procurement and the consequent cover-ups. Verbal doesn't want my opinion; he wants ammunition. Lord knows he's had to grasp for ordnance during this sniping session. Probably a Freemason

I am amazed that someone who continually ignores inconvenient points demands answers from me. Do one. I'll make my comments in my own time, ta - and certainly won't be pre-empted by posts like this.

Anything else to add, mate?

Re: latest Timmerist attack:- Poppycock. You're a coward with a bigger bag of excuses than Redknapp after a QPR game. You're still attacking and still hiding. Btw, your smoking gun of Pulpteth was in fact a nod to Chapel End Charlie, who called me Pulp for a bit.

I normally wouldn't, but then few give me as much jip as Tim, and in his particular case, I think he hides behind his anonymity to launch his attacks.

Neither do I, nor do I blindly accept boll*cks when I see it. We need a better burden of proof than we're getting right now. Tsarneav is now going to be tried in the criminal courts, which is a step forward. It's a bit of a win for the prosecution that he may never speak again. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10008976/Boston-marathon-bomber-Dzhokhar-Tsarnaev-may-never-speak-again.html Terrorist acts are slowly building the apparatus for a police state. We enacted a ton of legislation after 9/11, and our little enabling act a year after 7/7. The US went even further, creating Homeland Security, an entity which is the opposite to the innate American tradition of checks and balances. Their whole constitution was established to prevent a tyranny from emerging. Much of the legislation, however well-marketed it was, has removed many of these safeguards. Whether you accommodate my suspicions or not, you can't argue that these atrocities leave dangerous legislation in their wake.

VFTT is actually one of those real life idiots who isn't arsed about people knowing who he is. Quite a few of us follow each other on Twitter. Most use their real names. They all idiots too?

Thank-you, Jonnyboy. The cheque is in the post.

I suppose I'd be more normal if I spent all my time goading Pompey fans or casting fire and brimstone on anyone who supported the NA sacking decision? x

That we're sleepwalking into more authoritarian times, and that terrorist atrocities are being used to justify laws we'd never consider under usual circumstances. That many of those incidents have state influence or direction, usually manifested as networks of collaborating people. I'm not actually that fussed about the moon landings, but I have grave doubts about most of the recent terrorist actions in Western countries. I have no doubt that in many cases, the perpetrators genuinely believe that they are on a divine mission. The trick, usually, is to get people dumb enough to control. That is not even conspiracy. It's how the FBI have cleared a 3rd of their terrorist cases. They convince some mug to set off a bomb, or what they think is a bomb, and nick them in the act. I already posted the transcripts from Emad Salem star witness in the WTC 93 bombings. He's having to explain away his rather large expense account, which he does so by mentioning the fact that cash was needed to build a bomb. The FBI are creating terrorism to catch terrorists. I don't find it a stretch to consider they, or other people involved in government, might create terrorism for other reasons. They have certainly done it in the past. After the end of the Second World War, all of Europe was under the threat of Stalinism, stay-behind groups were created in European countries to ensure the pinkos didn't get in through the ballot box. The most extreme example of this was Operation Gladio. For over 20 years, a NATO stay behind group kept the Italian hard left out of office through a series of terrorist campaigns. The US wanted a strategy of tension. Gladio was finally confirmed in 1990. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio So a US-sanctioned NATO groups committed terrorist atrocities against the Italian people, with the knowledge of the Italian government. I know this is a long post, so Bear with me. I'm almost done. The most common criticism I'm getting on here is that I'm a f**king nutbar, largely on account of "a government would never do this". Well we have, and continue to do so, as the FBI's clear-up rate for catching terrorists attests. I don't think it's crazy to suggest that something that has happened in the past might be happening again.

I suppose it is better to be anonymous like yourself, Tim - skulking and sniping from the shadows, never having the courage to back your stated convictions with your name. I'll take no dressing downs from such a character.

Ta, PhillipineSaint, and may I commend you for your bravery. You are quite correct on your grassy knoll thing. Soz.

I'd also like to direct a post to anyone calling me a nutter, fruit loop or other variant of crazy person. You may be right. I personally don't think you are, but for our collective sakes, I hope you are. The gradual response to each of these events has been the introduction of new legislation and/or the prosecution of wars. I run through the list often enough, but our civil rights have unquestionably been eroded. The best case scenario is that this is just over-zealous legislating that tries to cover all the bases. The worst case is that the gradual removal of rights ends up in an authoritarian police state. Buctootim would point to the number of people on here who haven't said anything as some kind of validation for his point. Having stuck my head above the parapet, I've got a bloody good idea why not! Who'd have a go after seeing that? I mention this, because this kind of bullying groupthink is dangerous; perhaps the greatest threat to freedom of speech going. You are free to say what you like, but be prepared to be called all manner of names if you say something we don't like. Lest this sound like the testament of an injured man, let me assure you that I feel no pain from the barbs on here. I used to have a great deal of respect for Verbal. I even stepped up to bat for buctootim on the UI. Given the characters they have shown themselves to be, I can't really say that I'm smarting from their "vicious" insults. Verbal uses his intelligence to obfuscate and insult, while Buctootim only seems to pop up to have a pop. He also suggested I might have invented my children Both choose to shoot their **** from the safety of anonymous trenches. So yeah, work away lads. If you're right, you have no worries. If history is written by the victors, you have no worries. If it turns out that I'm right, then collectively, we'll be seen as the duped generation, the ones who got fooled. I'm already a fruit loop, so I've little to lose

I have been busy today, so haven't had as much time to respond to the usual suspects. I have, however, discovered that the US intends to try him as a civilian, which is good news, even if I suspect a fair trial is going to be close to impossible. Some weirdness about the reported injuries and the pic where the younger Tsarneav is climbing out of the boat. Linkage. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/04/19/boston-marathon-suspect-shot-dead/ The FBI complaint said he was found with "apparent gunshot wounds to the head, neck, legs and hand". Blood is visible in the arrest shot, but he seems to have no issue clambering out of the boat.

Really? I don't think he could have picked a worse example. Hillsborough is a proven conspiracy. Didn't go down the way verbal said though.

Lordy, is the best you have?