SaintBobby

I agree with those that say Illingsworth has probably been blocked/banned (i.e. it is unlikely to be an administrative error). However, we know that the club have had a number of complaints against him (for instance, unauthorised use of the club's crest/logo). I'm pleased the club came down hard on this. After the Silverspoons fiasco, I wrote to the club asking them to take all possible actions to ensure that the Saints Trust was not seen, or likely to be seen, as officially sanctioned by the club. This - or other disputes - may have at least contributed to a decision to not sell him a season ticket. Especially if these disputes have been protracted and antagonistic.

Thanks - as mentioned elsewhere - if anyone can provide with with an email address for the Trust/Nick Illingsworth that might actually elicit a reply, I'd be grateful. Please PM me. I did receive an initial reply. The reply said they would address my complaint in full within about a week. That was about 14 weeks ago. I have received nothing since. Simply receiving a holding reply doesn't constitute dealing with the complaint. It's not just the £60 I was mugged for - it's the complete lack of contrition and basic courtesy that is also so galling.

Played in the away kit and had sold out of the sash kit in virtually all adult sizes. There were maybe 50 or so kid sized home strips left. Huge demand? Bad planning on numbers to order? Or cynical marketing ploy? (they shifted a lot of away kits in the store from what I could see) Or all three?

Did you "slam a few birds" after necking some pints with Illingsworth? LMAO

Not bad overall. Poor from Jaidi and Fonte for first goal. Lack height. Not sureabout Mills on the right wing at all

As asked for here, and on the other thread, if you or someone else can provide an email address for Illingsworth or the Trust that works and that they reply to, I will forward the correspondence. The email address on the holding page of their website bounced, by the way. If you have such info, but can't or don't want to provide it fair enough. But I am unable to discern other possible email addresses for Illingsworth or the Trust through telepathic means!

If you want to PM me or tell me an email address where he or Saints Trust actually reply from, that would be great. Or he can PM me here direct. I have emailed Saints Trust already to try and sort this out.

Then he can PM me on here (as I said in the otehr thread)...or reply to the emails I sent him and his organisation over the past 12 weeks! It's taken 4 months and me beginning legal action to trigger this. Not a courteous way to treat fee-paying customers.

Because Saints Trust took in £20,000 of income for an event that was nothing like they advertised? The lack of contrition - and failure to reply to emails after months makes it much worse. People shouldnt be allowed to get away with that.

Its about 4-6 hours work and would open the door to others reclaiming their cash. Also, I dont think - morally - that Saints Trust should get away with what they have done. Have probably spent longer on here discussing it now then it will actually take to do it!

I spent £60 (6 tickets) for a service that was absolutely nothing like the service advertised.

Thanks, have replied on otehr thread. Welcome to PM me. Not a hopeful sign that he describes it as a "boast". Also, not hopeful that he seems to think a reply (which I did get, promising a fuller reply a week later) might be the limit of his obligation. I havent met him, but he does give the impression of needing to be taken down a peg or two frankly.

Im not boasting about taking legal action. I am taking legal action. He is welcome to PM me - he has not replied to my emails to saints trust...nor has anyone else.

You sue West Quay. Unless (a) there are specific contractual terms to the contrary or (b) West Quay ticket office is a legal subsisiary of Southampton FC ticket office. (I'm guessing both apply) "Events" are not, despite your slightly strange implication to the contrary, a separate legal category of contract law. A distributor of events tickets is in exactly the same position as a retailer selling products acquired from a wholesaler. It's possible you are right on this point, and the top lawyer from Slaughter and May I spoke to, with over twenty years experience of contract law, is wrong. But Id be surprsied.

The reply that it wasn't deliberate and Everton fans smanaged to organise a good party? What reply?

Even if they are the distributors, they are responsible. They took my cash. They can go on to sue to the venue if they choose. Their contract with me. If you pay someone to deliver you X, and they don't deliver X because someone further down the supply chain screws up, you sue them and they sue further down the supply chain. If you buy a tin of beans from Asda, and it turns out to be a can of warm turd, you sue Asda. The fact that they are just the distributors, and Heinz actually produced and packaged the warm turd doesnt come into it - unless Asda want to sue Heinz.

Promised - Short queues, cheap beer, ex-players, food served...amongst other things. Got - Queues six deep, very expensive beer, no ex-players, no food...in a urine soaked death hole.

Not deliberate maybe, but grossly negligent. It's been the thoroughgoing lack of contrition and refusal to reply to emails in 4 months since then that is especially riling.

Good luck or shame on me??? They were the people who sold me the tickets...if they want to sue the venue in turn, thats up to them. My contract was with them. If people are Saints fans, but rip off other Saints fans in a pretty disgraceful way, whilst simultaneously portraying themselves as the voice of the fans, then I dont think I shoudl just let them get on with it, just cos they support the same club as me.

The legal advice I've received is they will probably have to defend it, because were they to lose, then any other p*ssed off Silverspoons attendee could also automatically get their cash back. I'm happy to take a little time and money to do this. I dont much like being treated this way, and I particularly dislike a group parading as the Saints Trust, with high public profile, behaving like this. The Saints Trust promised me a reply within a week about 4 months ago. They haven't replied to any emails from me since - even though I said I'd rather avoid legal action, but did at least need the courtesy of a reply and explanation. Nope, that was too much for them. If Illingsworth is getting annoyed about hearing nothing back from the club after sending several emails etc., perhaps he should put his own house in order first.

Dont have any idea what the Trust AGM discussed. Am not a member and didn't go. I have however emailed them stating my intention to bring a legal action against them for recovery of my Silverspoons ticket costs. I have yet to receive a reply. Maybe they discussed it at the AGM. I'd be worried if I faced legal action that might open the gateway to £20,000 of claims.

Good luck, I yearn for the old fanzines....but I wonder what they can bring in the world of online stuff (sorry, not very technical that)

Actually, having just read this, they are a bit more f*cked than I thought.

I hope Wednesday go up (as runners up to us). Always had a soft spot for them and - along with Saints - they definitely don't naturally belong in L1. They are taking a huge financial risk from what I can gather, but that's their business. If they get back up to the CCC, it may pay off. If not, they know the sort of sh!t they are in. Their team is clearly the biggest, most obvious threat to Saints. I think we just edge it, and have the stability/ability to build further (both now and in January). But Wednesday have a few players I'd love at St Marys (Purse, Mellor, Tudgay especially) and their starting XI is very good.

Interesting. I wonder when we overtake teams like Reading in desirability stakes for players? At a wild guess, I'd say we probably pay similar wages. We maybe need to show that we really are going to get out of League One (and we could show this long before May 2011 of course)