Convict Colony
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4 hours ago, HarvSFC said:
100%. Valenciennes in the summer was another ego move when they haven’t got their houses in order here, or at Goztepe. Not that I care about what happens in Turkey.
The £20m+ used to purchase Valenciennes would have been better served going towards our summer transfer budget and giving us a better chance of getting promotion at the first attempt. What’s going to bring in more money in the long run, the Premier League, or French football? But, it was purely an ego move, as you say, to add another club to the portfolio.
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1 hour ago, Nolan said:
We have been hugely disadvantaged by Stephens Injury, and for Bednarek to be out on Friday was a huge blow.
I'm still giving the benefit of the doubt, as the Centre Back pairings will setlle.
What I dont however agree with, is having both Smallbone and Downes starting. They cause anonymity in midfield. That looks to have been taken off the table anyway.
Bazunu
KWP Bednarek THB Manning
Smallbone
Alcaraz A. Armstrong
Edozie Fraser
Adams
I am sorry but that midfield is getting bent over and destroyed by any team.
I want Downs and Charles as 2 DMs and Alcaraz in front, lets tighten it up for 1 game
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Reading all that article and seeing the screenshot of leiciesters 3rd goal I'd say manning and KWP are far too high and should be more around where smallbone was standing.
Too gungho
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someone pass this on to Russ and the players
What is an inverted full-back?
Traditionally, full-backs are the widest players in a back four, and as a result they attack and defend mostly in the wide areas. However, full-backs who move inside into central spaces when their team has the ball are known as ‘inverted full-backs’. This movement adds an extra presence in the centre of the pitch (below).
On defensive transition, they may then remain central for a short period. But they will eventually recover into the back line and defend outside the two centre-backs, as full-backs usually do. Wing-backs who operate in a back five can also move inside in a similar fashion during build-up play.
Where does the name ‘inverted full-back’ originate?
Full-backs were originally the deepest players in the 2-3-5 formation. As the back four grew in popularity, however, they moved out to the sides of the defence. As the game developed, the full-backs began to push higher up the pitch to join attacks. They remained in the wide areas, however, usually overlapping the winger or wide midfielder on their side of the pitch.
In more recent years, some coaches have moved their full-backs inside during build-up. This has added extra players in the second line, slightly ahead of the centre-backs.
Although Pep Guardiola is the coach most associated with the inverted full-back, Johan Cruyff used them with Barcelona many years before. Then, he often converted the 4-3-3 into a 3-4-3 diamond, with one full-back inverting into central midfield. The single pivot in that particular diamond midfield was Guardiola himself.
What are the in-possession responsibilities of an inverted full-back?
The inverted full-back adds another body in central midfield, usually in an attempt to overload the opposition in this part of the pitch. Naturally, they are then involved in lots of short passing. They must have the vision and technical ability to play in crowded central areas.
Inverted full-backs have to create forward passing angles for the players in the back line, then receive the ball and progress play forwards. They should have positional awareness, and the ability to make forward passes or dribbles to break lines. They must also be able to switch play to the opposite side of the pitch. This is especially useful when only one full-back has inverted, while the other has pushed forward in a wide position on the other side of the pitch (below).
What are the out-of-possession responsibilities of an inverted full-back?
Without the ball, the inverted full-back will only remain in the centre of the pitch for a brief period. They will then return to their traditional defensive position in the back line. However, while still in the central spaces, they are responsible for breaking up and slowing down any opposition counter-attack.
As inverted full-backs are only used by teams that focus on dominating possession, the main method of attack for the opposition is counter-attacking from deep. Therefore, with the full-back central when in possession, they provide added presence in the central spaces immediately after the ball is lost. They can therefore contribute to central counter-pressing, while also duelling, tackling and making interceptions to break up any forward play from the opposition on transition. The inverted full-back may also be used to screen direct passes into the opposition’s centre-forward following a turnover.
Who are the best inverted full-backs?
Philipp Lahm
At Bayern Munich, Guardiola used Lahm as an inverted right-back. Although left-back David Alaba would also move inside when the single pivot dropped into the back line between the centre-backs (below), it was Lahm who moved infield more often. His ability to receive under pressure and create passing angles, and his overall awareness and vision from a central position, made him hugely effective in this position.
João Cancelo
Guardiola has again used inverted full-backs with Manchester City (below) – though slightly differently, with the right-footed Cancelo often playing on the left side of the back four. He provides exceptional vision and passing, meaning he can connect into the front line while also making forward runs, crossing from a narrow position and even taking shots from distance.
Trent Alexander-Arnold
Having initially broken into Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool side as an overlapping right-back, Alexander-Arnold has gradually moved infield (below). From this position, his world-class passing range, ability to hit the spaces behind the opposing back line, crossing and switches of play are all extremely useful. His experience in central midfield as a youth player has helped this transition infield, and he rotates effectively with Jordan Henderson and Mo Salah on the Liverpool right.
Which other players are examples of inverted full-backs?
David Alaba for Bayern Munich under Guardiola.
Kyle Walker for Manchester City under Guardiola.
Oleksandr Zinchenko for Arsenal under Mikel Arteta.
Josip Juranovic for Celtic under Ange Postecoglou.What are the benefits of playing with inverted full-backs?
Inverted full-backs can provide a numerical overload in central midfield. They help their team to dominate possession, while also aiding deeper build-up play through the centre of the pitch. The extra central passing option helps a team work the ball away from pressure, as long as teammates are spaced out effectively.
With an additional player in central midfield, attacking midfielders – particularly number eights – can then push higher up the pitch. This means they receive passes closer to goal, get into the spaces between the lines more often, and even make more runs beyond the opposing back line.
Should an opposing winger track the full-back’s inverting movements infield, more space appears in wide areas for teammates to attack. This can help create 1v1 dribbling opportunities for dangerous attacking players.
When defending against counter-attacks, inverted full-backs can help screen, block and protect the central spaces, helping to force the ball wide and away from goal. Inverted full-backs also provide an extra player to counter-press in the centre of the pitch, helping the team maintain pressure on the opposition.
What are the disadvantages to playing with inverted full-backs?
The biggest disadvantage to using inverted full-backs is that it requires incredibly versatile players who can defend in wide areas, but then manage the ball and play like a central midfielder. It’s not very common for players to be so well versed in both of these particular roles.
On transition, the inverted full-back’s central position in the second line means one player fewer in the last line of defence. Should the opposition work the ball past the second line, the team has less defensive presence to protect the goal.
The inverted full-back can also occupy similar spaces to the pivot players in midfield, which can mean too many players doing the same jobs. The full-backs also need time to invert, so all other teammates must be able to manage the ball, potentially while under pressure, to allow the full-back time to move inside.
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Most goals conceded in the league by 3 goals after 6 games (16) and are on track for 101 goals conceded over a season.
Something fundamental in our wingback and midfield set up has to change as its a joke.
Will it happen before Tues ?
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15 minutes ago, Chewy said:
it’s like watching someone trying to father a child by getting all the sex toys out.
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54 minutes ago, swannymere said:
Strawberries and Steak is lush, agree about the brick though; should always be on a white, round china plate
This thread has some interesting takes but nothing is as much as a cry for help as this 🤣
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Seems like he knows we have to work
"The gameplan with the ball in their half, I thought we were outstanding. We pressed and stole the ball, and they’re a top team at this level so had a couple of moments.
"However, when the ball is in our half, the reaction to transition to defend from playing is not quite there and we have to work on that."
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8 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:
Martin.....post match
- Everyones responsibility tonight
- we made it difficult, 3rd goal was the killer
- we were on top in the 2nd half, they were clinical, we were not
- people will talk about the score, but if we were more clinical, it would be different
- we cannot concede 2 early goals
- we went toe to toe, and you have to accept they will get through us at times
- I am proud of the players, as this is different to Sunderland, they did what we asked them
- Leicester lost the ball more than we did, but no one will criticise their manager
- we will continue to work on what we do
- if anyone expects to not experience pain now, they are naive
- This was much better than sunderland, and not a huge amount in it tonight
- the first goal was ridiculous, 2nd goal we know why as players were out of position, 3rd goal was about poor transition
- we will make more mistakes and we will see more bumps in the road
- how people react is up to them
- If we play like we did tonight, move the ball like that, we will be more than OK
- All will want a reaction on Tuesday. If we play like we did tonight, sure it will come
- James Justin said it was not a red card, I do not believe it was a red card, we will see.
Thanks for the summary amigo
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Didn't watch it and just saw the score, sounds like the same problems over and over again with poor passing etc.
We had more shots tho so guess having a better striker must make a difference.
Will go back and read this thread now.
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Dementor confirmed
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32 minutes ago, HKsaint said:
We need to score 4 to 5 goals in order to win this game.
remove the to 🤣
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5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:
I think it's OK to find ways to read it, but it's a bit much to copy and paste it on here.
Hope you've never watched a stream then
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Just now, FarehamSaintJames said:
The link finished loading about two minutes after I posted my previous message 😂
Thanks though. Good read!
also pasted it now bro
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2 minutes ago, The Kraken said:
Interesting that he lives in Hove, according to google maps it’s 1hr 45m to Marchwood. Fuck that for a commute.
hahahahahaha i did the exact same thing and thought the same, when does training start 10am - he's finished around 2pm maybe ? suppose if he leaves at 7am its not too bad but nearly 4hrs a day in a car is fucking tough, bet he listens to a lot of podcasts.
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Martin interview in the echo - no subscription needed just use 12ft ladder
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12 goals conceded and Baz could of done better with 1 of the Sunderland ones in my opinion where he was unsighted and didn't have strong enough hands, the other 11 were down to.both defensive lapses and excellent goalscoring.
Forster was statistical the best goalkeeper in the league for nearly half a season one year but that also wasn't down to the goalie it was down to the fact that big Vic, Morgan, Toby, Fonte, clyne and Bertrand stopped any fucker from getting shots off
Instead of just blaming goalies for the end result we should look at the forwards, midfielders and defenders just as much for each one of these goals.
I've seen KWP, Bednerak, Manning, Holgate, Edozie just to name a few responsible for goals, left alone the Maginot line aka our midfielders who are just static mannequins when the oppo get the ball.
Understand it's frustrating but we should judge players on this season not their last, you might be right over the season of course and I will agree, but no one predicts correctly after 5 games.
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4 hours ago, stknowle said:
Agree, his haircut is odd. He absolutely should be given time to get it right though.
He's got Lego hair
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Only QPR, Blackburn, Rotherham and Huddersfield have conceded more shots on target than us so far (24)
Baz has saved 50% of those shots and of those he hasn't he's had virtually no chance with the majority of them.
Also interestingly we have the most yellow cards in the league (21) so something fundamental needs to change defensively to stop shots and giving up yellows to try and stop counter attacks etc.
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16 minutes ago, Long Shot said:
Ah the ultimate comeback when someone disagrees with you “ I am sure you aren’t a Saints fan”!
Sorry to disappoint you but I am very much a fan of many tears standing (first game early 60s ) and I happen to think Martin, while being an excellent communicator, is simply not going to be the manager to get us promotion, primarily because he is so wedded to a flawed system and is way too stubborn to contemplate change. Now I accept that my opinion will be hard to read or accept (and I hope I’m wrong), but this is a forum where issues are expected to be aired. It is not a happy clappy ra ra club where all views must be supportive or positive just so you can sleep at night.Surely we need to give him this break and probably until nov before we can judge the system and his flexibility with it better, too early to call it flawed at present.
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2 hours ago, Weston Saint said:
I know who he is and he is more than just a Saints Supporter, trust me. Not going to expose his real name so do not ask!
I know it's a long shot (pun intended) but you've used exposed and more than a saints supporter so I'm going for Neil Shipperly.
Am I close ?
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2 hours ago, saintant said:
I was wondering that. The lad looks a unit but would be a surprise if he's good enough for this level.
41 minutes ago, Master Bates said:Played 75mins against Brighton.
Contract offered.
RIP
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Gozteppe score 1-0 so far