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The second goal they scored was poor defending on the wing, but apart from that, they didn't really threaten. So I disagree. Yes, Harding was exposed, but it's not like BR were crossing the ball in every 2 minutes and threatening our goal with headers.

IMO they were a constant threat, not from arial bombardment - but from width and pace, i lost count of the amount of times they got in behind us.

They broke very well, and switched play brilliantly.

Most of the time harding was chasing back and trotman had to come over to cover, which left our defence short - but Jaidi did well dealing with the crosses in.

You can't really say they weren't much of a threat in the 2nd half though..

 

We have won 1 game in 10. ONE. REGULATION FORM. THERE IS A MESSAGE THERE.

Depressing isnt it.

no matter what ****ing league we're in, we still struggle at the bottom end.

what is up with us?? these swiss guys have got their work cut out.....but because of the type of guys they are, im 110% confident they'll succeed in the end.

not relegation zone.....if we're bottom and still adrift, then maybe. But if we're borderline - only a point or two from safety - I think he should carry on. Because we'd have a better chance of getting out of it if we had continuity.

agree with that - fair assessment.

if we're 10, or more points adrift in Jan - then it's game over for him.

def.

i think he'd resign if it was like that anyway.....but i honestly believe we'll be out of the bottom 4 before xmas.....

Does it matter what we think any more?

 

Staying away might drive Cortese and the Swiss money away as well so that's not the answer.

 

PARDEW, CLEARLY IS NOT THE ANSWER EITHER.

 

Sorry Pal, but you've had your chance and blown it so "On your Bike!"

 

... and take that great lumbering brainless idiot Lambert with you.

..and thats why fans should not run football clubs.

He's got pace and will therefore improve us.

the players in this league aren't world beaters by any means, i mean bristol rover's wide men weren't amazing players at all, but if you have pace it causes uncertainty in defences.

for this reason, i'd throw him straight in.

Lowe was trying to push Davis out too, that was the reason behind forecast signing...and was also the reason webster was put on gardening leave i believe.

It was the same with Rudi, Safri, Davies, Rasiak...saga...john....euell.

Ok they were obviously on a fair whack of wages, but it was too big a gamble to shut them all out – and it was also not the choice of Jan - what an awful situation he was in, if you think about it. Hockaday spoke up about it, he knew the kids as he had worked with them in the acamdy..he said to lowe it was too much too soon for them….but that was that and hoackady was put on gardening leave too.

The plan was to get these young players doing well, and then sell them on for big bucks a season later - that's the only way lowe could possibly pay back the creditors and barclays. He was never looking for investment.

Had the game been played before the manchester derby then i dont think we would have had 5mins injury time, i know the 30 seconds per sub etc but that is only ever wheeled out to justify time played, it never bears any resemblance to the games, and if we want to go down that route then we should have played at least an extra minute after they scored and not what seemed 10-15 seconds. The match didn't justify 5mins extra

But we should not be moaning about being given 5mins time at home - it should be us, as the home team that is lifted by that.

but it had the opposite effect, the players seemd to panic and worry even more - rovers senseed that, and went for a throats time and time again in those 5 added mins.

I thought he had a good game.

 

I don't understand the need to criticise our players at every oppurtunity, we had some **** poor performances last night and Lambert wasn't even close to being one of the worst. Kelvin Davis, Dean Hammond and Dan Harding where all a lot worse, I like the three of them as players and think they've been good for us this season but they didn't play well at all last night imo.

 

Mellis can go back to Chelsea as well, has he done anything good for us this season?

Spot on.

What i've seen with lambert over the weeks though, convinces me we're trying to play him the wrong way.

He tries hsi hardest with the long ball, and wins a fair few - but IMo he's more effective on the ground, dropping deep, spraying the ball to the channels.

If we want him to get goals...that's what we need to do. Perfectly illustrated for Papa's goal, he worked it to the right channel with a good ball, james crossed it in and he headed it against the bar

Thats how we need to play him IMO. You can see with rovers setup last night how he scored so many goals last season.

The ref also bottled sending off their player for that two footed tackle too. And quite where he found that 5 minutes of extra time from too...

That tackle was shocking, saw that from the kingsland, the guy went straight in on him, studds up.

Hammond was lucky. I've seen weaker tackles get red cards tbf.

I don't like blaming the ref, as i think it's our fault we lost it - but he was weak.

He wasn't that good, he anticipated the goal well though - a yard before any rovers players were there.

I had hopes for him as a winger to solve our right side problem, but not on last night's showing.

Just ran like a headless chiken and did not keep wide at all. Was better when he was put through the middle IMO.

He has pace, but like Jake...he doesn't use it correctly.

I'm sure he'll get better though...esp his offside issues!

The only negative thing I would say about any of our players is that Saga needs to go. He needs replacing with a small, nippy striker - just like what Brizzle had today.

again - completely agree. We need pace off lambert, it's bleeding obvious to even a blind man.

Dickson for them was excellent, he's only on loan from charlton and was one of pard's signings when he was there - possible target i'd hope after tonight.

Papa looked totally exhausted 5 minutes before he got subbed....he started to stray offside and slowed down considerably. Pardew was right to take him off....Saga was the only option.

 

Same with Schneiderlin....he looked tired and Wotton was the best replacement for centre-mid.

I do agree with that, i saw the logic in the subs at the time.

The game started to pass Morgan by...made sense to bring on someone to strengthen it (although id have preferred gillet on the bench tbf)

Mills was another lgoical choice - Harding needed help, was obvious -b ut for some reason it just didn't work, kind of made it worse. Again, mills didn't really offer the support to harding i thought he was put on to do.

Papa was never going to play 90 anyway, was knakcered after 60mins and Saga was the only option. Although he didn't really offer too much.

So...the subs were logical and made sense to me at the right times, but they just didn't work out as they should have. I'm sure pard's is wondering why too.

Lessons to be learned though, by everyone.

Currently though I reckon herein lies the problem, good squads don't win football matches, good teams do.

We lost to a half decent team tonight, I heard a good comment on solent this evening about Rovers "they are a team of round pegs in square holes, but they are a team and that is what matters"

 

When Fish came on I seriously thought that AP should have considered taking him off again withtin 5 minutes, maybe he should have!!

 

But you can't blame just one player, Harding not only should have upped his own game to give Fish the confidence to play further up field, he actually played worse and left Fish to look foolish on more than one occasion.

i agree with that, the 'team' is the key - we don't have that yet. Will we become one? it's hard to say...sometimes it just doesn't work with a group of players, no matter how hard they try. I really really hope this isn't the case here though.

Mills, IMO, was brought on to help harding contain williams - but it actually made the situation worse, bizzarley.

Even if we end up getting relegated again, I would be happy to stick with Pards. He imho has done well enough at a higher level and maybe he needs to learn a bit more about this league. I always said that this is a league of spoilers, at he mo, teams are playing a very frustrating but cagey game against the likes of us 'champagne charlies'. How many times have we heard the 'you're not famous any more' chant, and we always react by flicking the v's, you can tell a lot about a teams approach by the mindset of their fans, and tonight the Gasworks boys sung as one, and their team did likewise. I persoanlly was very impressed with the whole Bristol contingenet.

 

Truth of the matter is that we are playing quite naieve football. Alan Pardew, we need to go hell for leather occasionally and frighten the **** out of visiting teams. You can't sit on a lead in this league, you simply will not get away with it. As we saw not once, not twice but three imes tonight, if you're gonna beat a team you need to have the mentality to go out and rip them apart.

 

Just my opinion fwiw.

If we get relegated, he'll be gone. That will be one almighty failure by any stretch of the imagination.

If we go down to L2 with this sqaud, something is seriously wrong - so for that reason, i wouldn't want to keep him.

I know what people are saying, we've chopped and changed alot etc and it hasn't helped - but keeping someone in the job, who clearly isn't doing a good job, for the sake of continuity is wrong IMO.

at the moment though, it's still too early to make that decision.

will it ever get better??? seriously F*ck it, its getting worse, they were SH*T yet they still managed to beat us, can't even defend all our players looked tired and Sh*t scared after about 65 minutes

It will get better IMO - keep the faith, i know it's tough but i saw the passion out there tonight - those players want it as much as us.

Rovers were good though, they're weren't **** at all.

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But MO made not one iota of a difference to the results, I'd stick with Stuart, after all he's lost his radio Hampshire job and has a young baby to feed. We are not the sort of club to get rid of people just because they are not very good at their job, we'd only have asquad of about 4 if we did that..

We won most home games with Osman there, and we got into the top 6 in the championship.

When he was brought back for the Sheff U game 2 years ago, we won it and the atmosphere was buzzing at K/O.

I think he did make a difference.

Naaah - we all said that just so Markus would get his wallet out. Now he's paid we want instant mate, instant...!

 

I seem to recall that MM at Wolves didn't have a great start - many of thier fans wanted rid of him - strange old world.

Ask the stoke fans what they thought of Pullis a few seasons ago....

they hated him - they were chanting him out etc, but the board were strong and it worked out int he end. They're in the premiership...pushing to become an established mid-table team now. Crazy.

Thats what i hope we have now - a strong board. don't get me wrong...I don't want us to stick with a guy if it's clearly not working, but i hope we've seen an end to these knee-jerked quick fixes and changes. 10 games is not enough time in a 5 year plan to make such a huge decision.

Was it Stuart Dennis, or Justin who made that comment? Didn't see much of an issue with it at the time...but...

I think we could do with Osman back, if im honest.

I know alot of people don't agree, but he really did get the place going before KO - and it was certainly alot more interesting than what Stuart Dennis offers.

It's not really a priority...but as the board are looking at all areas of the club, i'd hope this is another area they'd address.

If we're 15 points adrift in December, and still not picking up the results then i'd say the board could well be looking at solutions.

As i've said, Nicola isn't an idiot and he'll be looking at the bigger picture rather than knee-jerking at the moment.

If we're more adrift by xmas though - then there's obviously a problem.

thoroughly deserved to lose. Again no left winger, too much hit and hope, woeful defending and often lambert alone up front. Lambert didn't look up for beating his old side, but then the whole team seemed to lack that extra bit of effort, motivation and fitness. It was a shambles. I was down about the game before the winner, it didn't make much difference really.

 

I know pardew needs time but its been appalling. its depressing listening to him and he doesn't seem to aim that high. Oh well

Cannot agree with the people who are saying we lacked effort/motivation.

Seriously - how could you not see our passion in the 2nd half? We wanted it, and we wanted it bad. We harried their players more than i've seen a saints team for a long time, maybe too much at once - because we couldn't sustain it.

I agree re: left wing though, that was our weak area, Harding had a shocker but alot of that was down to him being exposed by Mellis - who was awful.

I'd take their wide players right now, and also Dickson who was excellent i thought.

Anyone who says Morgan was rubbish clearly has no idea

 

I made a point of watching him and lallana closely after they both have been in for some stick on here

 

lallana was indeed good with lambert and has superb touch

 

Morgan was awesome for most of the game. At times unplayable. Always wanted the ball always want to spread play.. I think from open play h gave the ball away about twice the whole game. Very good

+1, adam and morgan were the key players when we were dominant, rovers couldn't handle them at times.

the only thing that worry's me about morgan in particular, is he has a tendency to go missing for bits of the game - and during those periods rovers came back at us.

I haven't seen the table tonight but if we are not careful we will be really cut adrift.

We needed a good start and soon the pressure on the team will be unbearable.

still currently 10 points off, but Brighton have a game in hand.

One win in ten is not good enough. Fact. Late start to the season was excuse enough for the first 5 games, but not now.

Poor substitions all season, unmotivated team, questionable fitness, but talks a great game.

A significant/ comfortable win on Saturday v Gillingham or Pardew should be sacked. Fact.

We were as motivated as we have been for years tonight, seriously - you cannot question the commit and the attitude, the players were well up for this one.

Personally at the moment i couldn't give a **** if we won 1-0 in the 90th min against gillingham.

Waigo was crap, Sheniderlin (sic?) was crap and Bristol Rovers were crap aswell. We should have been at least 4 - 1 up before they levelled. How we lost I will never know.

bizarre summery.

Wagio was ok - morgan was the best player on the pitch, and rovers were excellent.

wrong game maybe?