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I was a big Sabbath fan in the early 70’s and had their first four albums. I finally got to see them live in the mid 70’s and they were poor but they certainly started a new genre in rock, “heavy metal.” Ozzy was not as gifted vocally as the likes of Robert Plant or Ian Gillan but he certainly had a personality that transcended just being the front man in a rock band, no doubt further promoted by his wife.

Ozzy was a rock legend. He will probably be remembered for biting off the head of a bat or by those crazy family programmes, but his music will live on. Come 1974 I thought that heavy metal was dead. The fact that that music genre is still alive and flourishing is down in no small measure to Ozzy Osbourne’s career with both Black Sabbath and his own solo career. RIP Ozzy, Prince of Darkness

This has always been a strange place but over time you get used to the hard of thinking, the deliberately obtuse, the WUMs and the trolls. Now it seems we have to have our posts analysed by AI as well. Oh well, such is progress I suppose. When you ask AI to analyse this thread, does it give you a “basic football forum” algorithm setting I wonder?

There are clearly some posters on this thread who do not have a problem with what the Israelis are doing in both Gaza and the West Bank. They may “wince” at a comment about one particular method of killing but you don’t see them wincing at news reports of innocent women and children being the target of snipers whilst queuing up for food and water, whilst being starved to death, whilst being blown apart by missiles and shells, by being buried under tons of rubble, by lying in hospital in agony through lack of meds waiting for a life saving operation that will never come.

It is the same old modus operandi. Don’t look at that, look at this. The standard deflection technique currently used to good effect by the likes of Trump and Farage. They can’t defend the indefensible so they try and focus attention on a faux outrage somewhere else.

What Hamas did on 7th October was clearly and undoubtably a stain on humanity. What Netanyahu’s war machine has been doing ever since, by virtue of its much larger scale, is an even bigger stain on humanity. I am not sure why anyone would say or think otherwise. To get yourself into a lather about a comment about how people die is to deliberately miss the point. The point is that they are dying. People were butchered on 7th October and people have been butchered in the region ever since. That is what you should get yourselves worked up about. It has nothing to do with what religion they are, they are human beings first and foremost.

If you want to wince about something, rather than a random comment on a football forum, wince about the soldier who trains his rifle sight onto a frail, starving and thirsty woman or child, queuing for food and water … and pulls the trigger.Wince at the lifeless bodies of children dragged out of a cafe hit by an IDF guided missile. Surely they are more worthy of your disdain than a dumb comment on a dumb forum? If not you have some serious issues.

7 hours ago, whelk said:

I wonder who that was?

I certainly didn’t “praise” the act of beheading, but don’t let that stop you making things up. I said that given a choice I would rather a quick and clean death than a long and painful one under rubble. We can discuss methods of killing people all day long, it doesn’t change the end result. People are being murdered daily. Most of the people killed starting on 0ctober 7th have not been beheaded. Many though will have been dismembered in explosions but that doesn’t seem to matter to those who just want to score points on a fucking internet forum.

On 19/07/2025 at 14:11, Lord Duckhunter said:

Why, is it easier there? 
 

 

No surprise to see this post from the forums biggest Farage supporter.

There would have been a number of alleged rapes and sexual assaults in Essex last week, but not one of them resulted in a certain kind of person taking to the streets and committing “mindless thuggery.” One alleged incident involving an asylum seeker and it all kicks off in Epping. Kinda proves my point doesn’t it Duckie? Still you, along with the man you want to be our next PM, are big on double standards (murder committed by Hamas bad, murder committed by the IDF good. Drink driving bad, speeding through a village good - or in your words, “fun”).

Perhaps, given you are of that mindset, you would care to explain why a sexual assault carried out by an asylum seeker is somehow worse than the same assault carried out by a white British man? Something  to do with the latter being “one of our own” maybe?

14 hours ago, aintforever said:

Are we allowed to compare them to Nazis now or is that still antisemitic?

I was at the Imperial War Museum a couple of weeks ago and in the Holocaust Galleries and there were pictures of people starving in the ghettos created by the Nazis and what the Israelis are doing to Gaza instantly sprung to mind. It’s just fucking inhumane and is going to sow seeds of hatred for generations to come.

You should know by now that any criticism of Netanyahu, his cronies or the actions of the IDF is anti-semitism and is immediately null and void (in the opinion of those committing these crimes and the people who support them). Show any support for the Palestinians and you are a “terrorist” now, apparently.

Genocide is genocide, whoever commits it. They may be differences in scale, but no amount of ethnic cleansing is acceptable, whoever is carrying it out.

And you are right, the IDF have turned Gaza into a Ghetto.

When did young people (Gen z) saying “perfect” after every transaction become a thing?

😤

3 hours ago, whelk said:

My point was you go out of your way to ignore evidence. You cannot be objective as the cause and being seen to support is more important to you. You just labelling people

How do I ignore evidence? I have never doubted the existence of rapists and rapist gangs of different origins. My point is and always has been that if someone constantly posts about Asian rape gangs/rapists whilst ignoring white British rape gangs/rapists, that is inherently racist is it not?

Also Reform and those who share their agenda are clearly and deliberately conflating immigrants with rapists/terrorists/murderers. Again they are ignoring the fact that you are far more likely to be the victim of serious crime from the indigenous population. That doesn’t make headlines or win votes though does it? Far better to demonise a who bunch of people, most of whom are only trying to find a safer, better life for themselves and their families.

Put yourself in their shoes for a moment. How desperate would you have to be to pay a huge amount of money to attempt to cross the channel and possibly drown in the process?

If you are of the kind who will likely rape or murder someone, why not stay in mainland Europe?

The evidence so far is that the vast majority of immigrants/asylum seekers are genuine with a small minority likely to commit crime. What, exactly, am I ignoring?

Someone phoned up LBC this morning who, by his comments sounded racist. One of the points that he put to the presenter was how would he feel if an immigrant raped his 12 year old daughter. My answer would be exactly the same as anyone raping my 12 year old daughter. He, like many others, seems to think that there are some rapists are worse than others depending on their ethnicity or religion.

On 17/07/2025 at 23:38, whelk said:

You must really hate that grooming gangs get investigated and prosecuted. Bloody anti immigrant agenda

Why should I? My understanding is that the crime of sexual assault is equally as serious if committed by a white British male as if it is committed by someone with brown skin, black skin, by a Muslim or by someone  following of any other religion. What is yours and why should someone’s immigration status make any difference?

21 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Reading through the last couple of days' posts you would think this was a primary school playground with kids taunting each other with pointless, repetative jibes.

There are children being blown to bits whilst queueing for food, FFS.

 

The reason for which is the laughing emoji attached to your post and many previous posts about the indiscriminate killing of women and children.

What “Nige” and his acolytes seem completely to unable to understand  is that women have problems with men, no matter what their skin colour or religion is. But it suits their agenda to paint certain type of men as the main offenders. The domestic violence against women stats would tell a different story. Women are still more likely to be sexually assaulted by a family member than by someone arriving here on a rubber dinghy, but there are no votes in stating the obvious.

Instead of just having a go at women footballers, perhaps just enjoy the fact that they came back from dead at 2-0 down and won the game? 

11 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

My point was entirely correct. You just will not accept it. 

According to you I am a racist. Anyone reading my posts over the last few years will know that I constantly slag off the racists and xenophobes like Trump, Farage, Robinson and Hopkins fit their racism and xenophobia. Perhaps you ought to accept that. People who share their views are no better than they are. Perhaps you ought to accept that too? It is not an unreasonable observation other than to apologists (like yourself).

Moving on, nic me old mucker. I asked AI to give me the psychological traits of conspiracy theorists and this is what it came up with.

Conspiracy theorists often exhibit a unique combination of personality traits and psychological tendencies. These include heightened levels of suspicion, paranoia and a tendency to distrust authority, often coupled with a need for control and a sense of personal uniqueness. They also display impulsive, emotionally volatile and egocentric behaviour.

Ring any bells nic?

On 15/07/2025 at 06:32, east-stand-nic said:

Here he is, back and doing the same old boring shite. Racist old fool. 

Pot

Kettle

Black

22 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

I don't know. Perhaps a similar world to the one where people who disagree with leftist policy are labelled as racist Tommy Robinson loving Nazi's? After all these weeks off I was rather hoping you would have learned your lesson, but clearly not. You can indeed have your opinion, but ONLY if you accept others who have differing opinions on differing subject, which you don't. 

You really are a stupid person aren’t you? But then I wouldn’t expect any less from someone who things it is clever to post laughing emojis on posts about the deaths of innocent women and children or who actively seeks out moronic conspiracy theories and actively spreads them on football forums. 
You don’t call out the likes of Trump, or indeed Robinson, for their abhorrent views. In fact you seem to support them. According to you, people who rightly call out Trump are suffering from “TDS” areas of being perfectly rational human beings. Robinson is a nasty little racist thug. Most people can see that and understand that people who support him are no better - apart from you.

I’m sorry to have to burst your bubble, but not only do you not have a massive intellect, but you are also a nasty little person who tries to make himself look important by spreading complete bollocks on a football forum yet doesn’t have the balls to own his own, repellant, political leanings. 

If anyone needs to learn a lesson it is you. I’m not holding my breath.

Trump surrounds himself with geniuses you say?

😂 (you can have that one on me)

I expect that by expressing this opinion I will now be labelled as a “terrorist” as well as an anti-Semite, but here we go.

Certain sections of the media will have us whipped up into an outrage over a little known act saying a few nasty things about a military force currently carrying out war crimes against women and children on an almost daily basis. They will also want us to be outraged against the BBC showing a documentary about the ongoing genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza without checking whether the boy narrating the documentary was in any way associated with Hamas (not that makes the slightest bit of difference to what we see on screen).

Ask yourself this. In what world are either of these items more horrifying and abhorrent than the situation where human beings, including many young children, are blown apart or shot just for trying to get some food or a drink of water?

Perhaps the people who think that this is funny would like to explain how it is morally ok to get worked up against the people who made some nasty comments against the perpetrators of war crimes and ethic cleansing or the omission of the people who made the documentary shown by the BBC to make it clear that the narrator of the documentary was the child of someone with an association to Hamas yet ignoring the fact that innocent women and children are being starved and murdered every day of the week just because they live in Gaza.

What kind of world is it that labels you a terrorist for speaking out against genocide?

Our self deprecating and often bizarre sense of humour. Tommy Cooper, Morecombe and Wise, The Two Ronnies, The Goon Show, Monty Python, The Young Ones, Blackadder, Only Fools And Horses etc. The Brits have always excelled at find new ways at laughing at what it is to be human, especially what it is to be British. As the great Edna Everage once said to Jeffery Archer, “If you can’t laugh at yourself, you might be missing the joke of the century.”

16 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

You are actually deranged 

This is the same nutty nic who claims that he is not a conspiracy theorist.

😜

For many years the only record player in our house was an old wind up gramophone so we just used to play the old 78’s that were lying around on it. When we finally persuaded Dad that we needed to have a “proper” record player, the salesman was trying to sell him a stereogram. He pointed to a piece of furniture with one speaker in it, saying we don’t need two speakers, how much is that! Consequently we ended up with a (mono) radiogram when stereo records were starting to be a thing.

The first record they bought was the 1812 Overture but I did get With The Beatles from my Nan for Christmas. I remember badgering Mum to buy the Twist and Shout EP but most of the records were either classical or by Ray Conniff (don’t ask). They did buy Revolver and Sgt Pepper for us though, bless ‘em.

I am not exactly sure what the first record I bought when I got my first paper round but it was probably Living In The Past by Jethro Tull or maybe Hello Suzie by Amen Corner or Carrie Anne*  by The Hollies.

I’m pretty sure the first album I bought was Stand Up by Jethro Tull and the second In The Court of the Crimson King for my then girlfriend.

It wasn’t until well into the 70’s that we managed to persuade Dad to dump the mono radiogram and invest in a stereo system. I think that he probably regretted it when my brother and I cranked up the volume to Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin etc. 

I don’t think that he ever did get the point of stereo speakers.

*Having checked the release dates it would have been Carrie Anne (which I have just discovered was written about Marianne Faithful). The first album would also have been The Beatles White Album in 1968.
 

2 hours ago, aintforever said:

Exactly, my daughter got into football after the last Euros, I think it’s great that it is getting promoted so much. 

Men are better at pretty much all sport but you don’t see female tennis players or athletes getting the same stick. Football has always had this weird macho thing attached to it.

It is weird isn’t it? Does it happen with women’s rugby? I’ve not seen the same reaction in that sport. Women’s sports have the same rights to be promoted as men’s sports and if you don’t like any of them, don’t watch them. It’s really not difficult.

20 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Was the breakfast in Romney Marsh by any chance? 

Genocide apologist, Islamophobe, misogynist and now an internet stalker. Do your family know what you do behind closed doors?

In the same vein, I once bought a standard lamp from The Communards singer Sarah-Jane Morris. Sadly, when I went to collect it she wasn’t in and her partner handed it over instead.

The lamp still has pride of place in our lounge though.

I’ve always been reticent about approaching celebs when they are out and about on their private business but do regret not saying hello to Keith Emerson when I walked by him at Brands Hatch. I did meet Greg Lake and Carl Palmer at their (solo shows) meet and greets though. Both very pleasant and chatty, as was Lloyd Cole.

I also won a Yes competition in the NME back in 1973, the prize being a copy of their latest album, Tales From Topograhic Oceans, two tickets to their show at The Rainbow and two tickets to the after show party at the Inn on the Park. All the band were sat at individual tables with their families and friends (apart from a very drunk Rick Wakeman who turned up late). I would have loved to have had a chat with them, but again, it didn’t seem right to bother them as no one else was. Whispering Bob Harris was sat on the next table with what looked like his mother. Either that or he had pulled the world’s oldest groupie.

I missed off Mel & Kim from my list. I was stuck in traffic in Hackney and they were stuck in traffic going the other way.

How did I miss Go Your Own Way/Rumours from my last list? D’oh!

Anyway, yes, easier to come up with a top 10 album list (providing I stick to only one album per artist, otherwise I would struggle again).

In no particular order -

Revolver - The Beatles

The Yes Album - Yes

Rattlesnakes - Lloyd Cole and the Commotions

Led Zeppelin IV 

The Joshua Tree - U2

Foxtrot - Genesis

Out of Time - R.E.M

Who’s Next - The Who

Rumours - Fleetwood Mac

Trilogy - Emerson, Lake & Palmer

These are 10 tracks that made me rush out and buy the album and still make me turn the radio up today when they come on…

Senses Working Overtime - XTC

Refugee - Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers

Starlight - Muse

The One I Love - REM

Suite: Judy Blue Eyes - Crosby, Stills & Nash

Because The Night - Patti Smith

Psycho Killer - Talking Heads

Yours Is No Disgrace - Yes

Rattlesnakes - Lloyd Cole and the Commotions

Wuthering Heights - Kate Bush

Subs bench

National Express - The Divine Comedy

Pure And Easy - The Who (Odds and Sods)

Solsbury Hill - Peter Gabriel

Questions - The Moody Blues

Mad World - Tears For Fears