Many thanks, guys, for informed comment - I appreciate it - did not read D.P.'s 97,000 posts on the subject as I couldn't get past his personal diary on what he is doing and his golf game !!!! Martel, if you are ever over our side of Alligator Alley let me know, especially weekends as I get more Premier than Sky on Fox Sports. Can't wait to see Saints on it when in Premier in two years time !!!!!!!!