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CHAMPIONS LEAGUE Coefficients... Teams with higher coefficient than Saints only listed. Third qualifying round (draw 17 July) Champions route FC Basel 1893 (SUI) 84.875 FC Salzburg (AUT) 43.135 FC Viktoria Plzeň (CZE) 41.825 17 second qualifying round winners tbc League route FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) 86.033 AFC Ajax (NED) 66.195 PFC CSKA Moskva (RUS) 55.599 Club Brugge KV (BEL) 41.440 AS Monaco FC (FRA) 31.483 BSC Young Boys (SUI) 31.375 AC Sparta Praha (CZE) 30.825 Fenerbahçe SK (TUR) 30.020 Panathinaikos FC (GRE) 19.880 SK Rapid Wien (AUT) 15.635 Second qualifying round (draw 22 June) FC Steaua Bucureşti (ROU) 40.259 Celtic FC (SCO) 39.080 APOEL FC (CYP) 35.460 FC BATE Borisov (BLR) 35.150 PFC Ludogorets Razgrad (BUL) 25.250 GNK Dinamo Zagreb (CRO) 24.700 NK Maribor (SVN) 22.225 Maccabi Tel-Aviv FC (ISR) 18.200 KKS Lech Poznań (POL) 17.300 These teams are still in 2nd QR - higher coefficient than Saints in bold. Hibernians Malta Match 1 Israel Maccabi Tel Aviv 2–1 21 Jul APOEL Cyprus Match 2 Republic of Macedonia Vardar 0–0 21 Jul Qarabağ Azerbaijan Match 3 Montenegro Rudar Pljevlja 0–0 22 Jul Sarajevo Bosnia and Herzegovina Match 4 Poland Lech Poznań 0–2 22 Jul Maribor Slovenia Match 5 Kazakhstan Astana 1–0 22 Jul BATE Borisov Belarus Match 6 Republic of Ireland Dundalk 2–1 22 Jul Ventspils Latvia Match 7[A] Finland HJK 1–3 21 Jul Midtjylland Denmark Match 8 Gibraltar Lincoln Red Imps 1–0 21 Jul Molde Norway Match 9 Armenia Pyunik 5–0 21 Jul Malmö FF Sweden Match 10 Lithuania Žalgiris Vilnius 0–0 21 Jul Celtic Scotland Match 11 Iceland Stjarnan 2–0 22 Jul Trenčín Slovakia Match 12 Romania Steaua București 0–2 22 Jul Partizan Serbia Match 13 Georgia (country) Dila Gori 1–0 21 Jul Ludogorets Razgrad Bulgaria Match 14 Moldova Milsami Orhei 0–1 21 Jul Dinamo Zagreb Croatia Match 15[A] Luxembourg Fola Esch 1–1 22 Jul Skënderbeu Korçë Albania Match 16 Northern Ireland Crusaders 4–1 21 Jul The New Saints Wales Match 17 Hungary Videoton 0–1 22 Jul These teams are in 3rd QR already - higher coefficient than Saints in bold Winners of Match 4 Switzerland Basel 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug Winners of Match 14 Winners of Match 16 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug Winners of Match 7 Winners of Match 5 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug Winners of Match 11 Winners of Match 3 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug Winners of Match 12 Winners of Match 13 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug Winners of Match 8 Winners of Match 2 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug Winners of Match 1 Czech Republic Viktoria Plzeň 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug Winners of Match 15 Winners of Match 9 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug Winners of Match 17 Winners of Match 6 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug Red Bull Salzburg Austria Winners of Match 10 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug League Route Panathinaikos Greece Belgium Club Brugge 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug Young Boys Switzerland France Monaco 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug CSKA Moscow Russia Czech Republic Sparta Prague 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug Rapid Wien Austria Netherlands Ajax 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug Fenerbahçe Turkey Ukraine Shakhtar Donetsk 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug We're currently 16th ranked of the EL seeds. Top 22 seeded for PlayOff Round. Every team except Rapid going via the league route has a better coefficient, so there are 4 guaranteed to outrank us already, no matter who goes through, so we're currently 20th, needing to be in the top 22. Added to that will be another 10 teams from the CL losers (non League Route) - 9 of those teams outrank us and only 2 of them are losing after the first leg with one drawing - and possibly one from the Champions Route if Rapid win. This could be offset by unseeded teams beating seeds in the EL. So, as Steve said, we need Champions League to go to form and upsets in the Europa (apart from us!).

Yup. But we don't know which 15 teams they will be yet, because only 13 teams have qualified for CL 3rd QR already. Which is why when Steve has clarified this before he's talked about us needing Champions League results to go with coefficient and Europa League results to go against coefficient - that leaves CL teams with worse ratings in the EL, and EL teams with worse ratings in EL.

We know there's an hour difference, the issue is that CET is the same as BST. The timezone given by UEFA is not the current timezone in Nyon, which is on CET+1. I am assuming UEFA has forgotten about daylight savings, and means 1300 CET+1 as in Nyon at the moment, not 1300 CET, which is noon British Summer Time. The fact the draw video has cued and it's only 11:30 suggests noon to me as well.

There's not a very good chance at all. There is a small chance. There are 15 Champions League teams to drop in, almost all of which have better coefficients than Saints, who at the moment are the 16th ranked team. There are only 22 seeds in the next round.

Quick summary of my travel findings so far. Charleroi, easy, loads of methods. Arnhem - not much more difficult, just a bit further than Charleroi. Odd (in Skien, Norway), not too bad actually. Vojvodina - a little tricky. Graz - surprisingly awkward (or expensive) Podgorica - there are not enough swears.

Anyway, I'm going back to planning travel options to one of about 7 possible places.

This one's been answered already since you asked, but it's irrelevant to other draws. The only relevant factor is who is seeded, and that will change as the Champions League losers drop in with their (usually) higher UEFA Club Coefficients. It's why Saints are seeded now but probably won't be in the next round.

It's so they can draw 48 matches by pulling 12 balls out, and remove the problems of having teams from the same country who aren't allowed to be drawn together without faffery. So it's actually to speed up the draw, not to complicate it. It also helps people planning travel to cut down their options, but frankly I don't have time in the 4 hours available to check even the LIKELY options.

Nyon is currently on CET+1hr which is where the confusion is coming in. The time they're giving isn't the current timezone in the place the draw is coming from (unless of course they actually mean 1300 CET+1)...

For those still having trouble : We're a seed, can only play unseeded teams in our pot. They are: 7 Vitesse 8 Sturm Graz 9 Charleroi (who are 5-1 up against Beitar) 10 Vojvodina (3 up against Spartaks Jūrmala) 11 Odd (2-0 up against Shamrock Rovers away) 12 Kukësi / Podgorica (Pods are 1-0 up away).

Only the ones listed. We'll get paired with one of those 6 numbered 7-12 in the same pot as us. There are 6 seeds and 6 unseeded in each pot, they draw one from the seed pot and one from unseeded pot, mix them and pull the home team in first leg first. Because there are 4 sets of pots that number drawing applies across all 4 pots to give us 48 teams in 24 matches, then they draw the remaining pot (different number of teams) to add the final 5 matches. But because you can only play a team in your pot, our possible opponents are narrowed down already. As for any other questions about the draw, read the thread.

There are LOADS of holiday flights, can get there and back AND a week all inclusive for £300, not that we can play them now..

Boring!

Bit of a sod for Aberdeen, 3 up in the first leg and the Balkans or Slovakia is the nearest tie they can get, with the possibility of Kazakhstan looming as a 1/6 chance.

Cheers, big news that, with Charleroi 5-1 up after first leg and Odd winning 2-0 at Shamrock around half our possible opponents are basically already known. Vojvodina 3 up as well, and Podgorica leading by 1 from the away leg.

Pic 1: Cedric (Soares) left, Shane Long right. 2: #20 Juanmi 3: Pelle 4: Wanyama (Jay Rodriguez blurry in background) 5: Blurry Cedric, I think. 6: Pelle 7: Tadic? 8: left to right Rodriguez, Stekelenburg (GK), Steven Davis 9: Dunno who's blurry in the background - could be Jason McCarthy but guessing. 10: Cedric 11: Wanyama left, not sure right, could be Cedric again. 12: Fairly sure that's a very blurry Pelle.

I will be genuinely minorly perturbed if FH lose to Inter Baku. I want to go to Iceland.

Thought I'd go a little MLG there, I know how people love it. The point being there are easier places to get to than Inverness. I think Charleroi is probably the most likely "near game" at the moment.

Quick update on how the ties have gone: These are the unseeded teams... away leaders or home leaders with more than 1 goal lead in bold. • Vitesse • Inverness Caledonian Thistle 0-1 Astra Giurgiu • Cherno More Varna 1-1 Dinamo Minsk • Jablonec • Slovan Bratislava 1-0 UCD • Sturm Graz • AIK 2-0 Shirak • Mladá Boleslav 1-2 Strømsgodset • Ślask Wroclaw 0-0 IFK Göteborg • Dacia Chisinau 1-2 Žilina • AEK Larnaca • Skonto 2-2 Debrecen • Beroe Stara Zagora 0-1 Brøndby • Charleroi 5-1 Beitar Jerusalem • Ironi Kiryat Shmona • Shakhtyor Soligorsk 0-1 Wolfsberger AC • Istanbul Basaksehir • Vojvodina 3-0 Spartaks Jürmala • Spartak Trnava 2-1 Linfield • FH 1-2 Inter Baku • Ferencváros 0-1 Željezničar • Târgu Mures • Shamrock Rovers 0-2 Odd • Rheindorf Altach • Jelgava 1-0 Rabotnički • Vaduz 3-1 Nōmme Kalju • Čukarički 1-0 Gabala • Kukësi 0-1 Mladost Podgorica • Kairat 3-0 Alashkert

Yes, the draw will tell us home/away. All questions are answered here (other than what UEFA are playing at giving the draw time in a timezone that isn't the timezone the draw is being made in)... http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=2264495.html

There are seventeen teams currently left in the competition who are closer to Southampton than Inverness (albeit some of them don't enter until after the 3QR and some will be out by then).

Have you been in a bunker or something? Tickets on sale on Monday irrespective of whether we know who we're playing or not, 1st leg is July 30th and could be home or away.

1pm CET. http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2016/draws/index.html That's a good question, the current time in Nyon is an hour ahead of us but it's CET+1 (GMT+2, BST+1)... so, um... maybe it's 1pm actually.

I assume there's a stream somewhere? I'm watching Aberdeen, who are 2 up at Rijeka.

Charleroi's 5-1 win against Beitar Jerusalem gives us a nice nearby potential tie and all but bumps one of the longer trips out of the competition.