StuRomseySaint

I can't talk to you at the moment. I am busy sorting out my fantasy world cup team before I finish work at 16:30 :-)

Here is my definition of a legend. Someone who has recieved England honours whilst at SFC Someone who has earnt a testimonial

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The fact is that people are now only left with the 'if you can't pay for it in full, you can't afford it' argument. Seriously what a bunch of complete retarded mongs we have following our club. Why on earth would some people actively try and obstruct and shout down someone who is trying to get the club to reconsider it's decision to remove an installment plan? Why would you not want as many fellow Saints fans as possible in the ground as possible? There is about a dozen or so posters which are obsessed with disagreeing with it, for a number of reasons... one because they want to have a pop at me and another reason because they want to let everyone know that they had the money to pay up front. *clap clap* I go back to, once again, the last game of the season. The whole of the second half the vast majority of the Saints fans started chanting "On the pitch, on the pitch, on the pitch" , at one point the whole stadium was drowning out the PA announcements regarding pitch invasions, many people had made their way to the front of the stand with the intention of getting on to the pitch... chants of " On the pitch, on the pitch " where ringing round the stadium... ... then, in almost an instant, people changed the words and were chanting w@nkers and 'off,off,off' as a few dozen fans made their way on to the pitch... I could not believe it, looking on the Southend forums, they were absolutely wetting themselves at how stupid and fickle our support was. A number of people on here ( including yourself ) seem to have no other agenda than disagreeing. Football used to be about being as one, looking out for each other, the fact that some of you are genuinely trying to discredit efforts to make the club reinstate an installment plan that will allow hundreds, if not thousands of extra fans get Season tickets for next season shows just what an embarrasing support we have. I don't expect all/any of you who have season tickets to be that bothered about the installment plans if you don't rely on it and are lucky enough to have the funds to pay upfront... but wouldn't expect any Saints fan actively oppose other Saints fans having a facility to allow them to go to every game next season. I have backed everything up with figures, it won't affect you... so why get involved? Some of you have posted upwards of 50 posts in direct opposition to having an installment plan, even though I have proven that it will not cost the club any money to have the installments. The only reason I can think some of you will go to such an effort is because you are complete and utter c*nts. So for the trolls, feel free to PM me, even feel free to come and argue your point to my face... ( I doubt any of you will, not because you are scared, but because you don't actually feel like that in the real world ) but I will leave the installment plan subject alone now until I hear back from the club.

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Open Engagement then.

B*llocks you lazy c*nt. You never heard of a bus or a train? Or a bike or your feet? I have a car... it's a luxury item... I don't NEED it.

Took a gamble that we will fly out of the blocks and " walk this poxy league " He has seen the ground nearly full for games like Exeter and Leeds and by his thinking... the income will be more when it is fill of matchday price paying customers. This is right of course IF 1) Saints go straight to the top. 2) The fixture list in kind to him. 3) ex-Season Ticket holders go to more than 14 league games a season. ( I really don't think the average games attended by ex-season ticket holders will be anywhere near that amount,using my reasons as example ) So it is a gamble, and one that is destined to fail. I don't believe David Luker came up with this policy and I also don't believe that every single other club with a similar or larger support to us are wrong. Yes crowds will be up next season if we do well... but with a realistic and buyer friendly ticketing structure we could have been averaging 26k next season. This is another reason why he has stopped half season tickets. This is the reason the club have kept the season tickets renewals as quiet as possible, no advertising, no marketing, minimal coverage on the OS, no renewal packs sent out, very short renewal window, etc etc I am as certain as I can be that this is the reason, without hearing it from his lips, and yes, I do think it is completely wrong and treating the fans like c*nts, which is why I have taken exception to it.

Have you ever thought about going in to business as a football consultant? You are indeed stating that you believe that Cortese is the only Chairman in the top 3 divisions who is doing it right, and everyone else is doing it wrong. Manchester United have to turn away 6,000 people at least for every single match who try to buy tickets... it's fair to say that they don't need season ticket revenue to get through the summer and it's also fair to say that they could fill Old Trafford with pay on the day customers. Yet they not only sell season tickets... they also offer interest free installment plans... with Zebra Finance. Why? Come on Benji, I am genuinely interested. Give me some figures...

What is so dense about every single other club with a similar or larger support than ours having an installment scheme? Are you telling me they are all wrong and infact Cortese has found a new system that will earn him more money than having season tickets? I know the reason he thinks it will work and understand it... ... I don't think those not getting a season ticket will pay for more than 14 home games a season though. Do you?

One that doesn't have any experience of dealing with the public and relying on their 'feelgood factor' to generate income. In the long run I do not believe that is the best business decision. Without having the figures I can only speculate, but I cannot see many non-STH's paying to go to individual games on more than 14 occasions in the season... even if they used to be season ticket holders. When you are paying game by game, your purchases will be more considered and you justify paying £25 for each game on their individual merits. For example, I find midweek games a pain in the arse, so I wouldn't bother with them, I have at least 3 or 4 games a season where I am away, maybe on holiday etc, so I wouldn't bother with them. I am offered corporate seats at least a couple of times a season. I am offered a spare of a STH mate not able to go on at least a couple of occasions. So even before I decide whether to bother going when the weather is sh!te ( it's cheaper to pay on the day anyway ) , when we are playing a sh!t team or when we are on a bad run, I don't have the need to buy at least 10 a season.

Yes, you're right... the all bar one clubs in the Championship, every Prem team, the majority of League 1 teams with installment plans must all be wrong and Cortese is a genius and is footballs saviour. No wonder AC Milan where after him.

Well done funny man. You must be impressed with yourself. Premium Credit is one of the companies who run the installment plans.

See you are on to something there. If there was a fans representative from this board then actually that would work well... I understand that 3,500 people logged in to TSW in the last month. So from that, there is 3,500 active members. Poll functions to ballot members etc as well as group email facility to communicate... Much more representative than Saints Trust will ever be. The problem you have is that there are so many retarded Saints fans that will oppose things just for the hell of it from behind their PC. The installment plan is a great example. Who other than a wind-up merchant of pig-ignorant tosser would actually stand in the way of people trying to get an installment plan re-instated for people less fortunate themselves? I don't believe these people genuinely think " tough sh!t " and if they do they need to have a long hard look at themselves.

The cost factor is not up for debate though. There is no cost to the club AND the club have not approached Premium Credit or Zebra Finance. Out of all the debate, the above are two FACTS

Wrong. They will have an installment plan next season, I am willing to bet money on it. The reasons won't be because it is fan friendly though... it will be because they cannot guarantee success so need to get the season ticket revenue.

I am not blind to other arguments. People have said it's because of cost - I have proved that to be wrong. People have said it's because not many other clubs have one - I have proved that to be wrong. People say it's because of credit history - I have proved that to be wrong. People have said it's due to defaulters - I have proved that to be wrong. etc etc etc Every argument on the other side I have proven to be wrong, not by *****ing, not by ranting off... but by going away and getting the FACTS. Now the dozen or so people intent on dissagreeing have NO argument other than to say " if you can't afford it, you shouldn't have it "

Do I? I standby 100% everything I said. Once Bitterne is the ultimate in cyber thug. I offered him the chance to get my contact details off Steve Grant, funnily enough he declined. Same goes for you, Nick G or anyone else. If you have so much of an issue with me or what I say, then be the man and sit down and talk about it in the real world, I will bring along all the paperwork etc on the information I have found out. Somehow I don't think you will accept this invitation, and instead will continue sniping from the safety of your PC.

You 'pity' people that need payment plans. What a complete ignorant cyber c*nt you are.

Exactly, unfortunately there is half a dozen cyber warriors who get a kick from gobbing off from behind their PC. I include Nick G, Smirking Saint, Matthew Le God, Once Bitterne as well as a few others in this category. Generally people like this have been bullied at school and use the internet to give them a sense of belonging. From he safety of their PC they can happily gob off to people without getting punched in the face. Without sounding like I am posturing for a fight, none of these would have the same opinions in the real world, and certainly would never spout off like they do now in the real world. Let them have their moment though, bless them.

Don't answer a question with a question. ( you are a student aren't you? Studying politics by any chance? )

A car is a luxury item you lazy c*nt. Never heard of buses, trains, feet?

Answer the question. Are you saying that if people pay their by insurance premiums by installments, then they shouldn't have a car because they can't afford one. Come on... they are one and the same. If someone has been paying on installments for the last several years, every other similar club in the country runs one and they set aside £70 a month, then they can afford it. What is so hard to understand about that?

Course you did. Knew I would get the answer off you and I guess I have no way of proving otherwise. So from what you are saying, anyone who pays for their car insurance by monthly premiums, shouldn't get a car, as they can't afford it? That is exactly what you are saying.

Have you ever paid for your Car Insurance on installments?