Chez

We could have insisted, but we obviously blinked first.

West Ham have failed with several striker signings, but they keep trying, keep spending to get it right. Fair play to them. How on earth can they afford £57m though?

How is it that Man City can make us buy THB on promotion but we can't make Sheffield United do the same here? They clearly like him and want him. Why not ask them to put their money where their mouth is? We save some money on wages, sure, but in essence, we are doing them a favour by loaning him to them.

As much as I like KWP, especially when he is playing well, he looks short of a yard of pace. Not sure if it's down to tiredness, he has lost half a yard or never had it. There was a flat out race between him and Williams down the right in the second half and he was well beaten. He couldn't keep up with Ahmed the other night too. He's been a brilliant servant for us and was fantastic last season in the championship, but he is not beyond any criticism.

No you are not, it most certainly was Bree, but the situation Bree and then Bednarek found themselves in was created by Downes. All three should take some blame for that goal.

OK, but loaning him out and agreeing an option doesn't suggest we really want him to be part of the (hopefully) promotion winning side. The player is not going to feel very loved by the current manager.

Could happen, but the decision will be ours again, which is important. Last time we got a significant transfer fee that helped fill the gap in income and allowed us to bring in players like Brooks and Fraser that help get us promoted.

Bit of a shame we couldn't have an obligation to buy on promotion included in the deal. If the manager doesn't want to keep him, it would be good to move him on a quickly as possible. United currently need him to get promoted. Their options are limited in the January window. We hold a decent card there. Next summer, if they are promoted, their options increase and we may end up stuck with him. Perhaps that turns out to be a blessing, but at this moment in time a clean break for all parties seems a good outcome.

So, basically, he's Sulemana mark II. A young talent that was on our radar, but it was Rennes that made the investment only for the player to not really work out immediately. He plays but is only really getting minutes off the bench. We step in with an offer that will get their money back. Looks great playing for Glint (at that level). Lots of nice highlights and goals. Very one footed. Look forward to seeing him.

I feel your pain about losing talent. With Shields in place we paid massive sums, when he departed that chaged. However, we haven't let Dibling go. So not "every single talent has gone". SAA is also still here. And Ballard. Wish we still had Rodriguez. We didn't let JJM go for peanuts by the way. It's worth saying that the "going rate" that Chelsea pay far exceeds what almost everyone else pays. Thats why we couldn't keep him. Not to mention the fact they have the best youth system and players, so another draw for ambitious players.

Les hasn't played loads I guess, but I think Juric has just made a mistake not starting him. Whether it makes a difference I am not sure. He will start in the next game that's for sure.

cheers. They are doing all these after every game?

I think that is fair. It's Downes natural game and he needs to adjust. I hope he can. Aribo, Fernandes and Les seem to be more aligned with what Juric is after.

when we are passing it to central midfielders that then pass straight back to CBs or are passing between CBs, opponents go all in with the press and we are in trouble. We haven't done it a lot recently, with Les, Aribo and Fernandes always looking to be on the half turn, but whenever we do, we look terrible.

Sulemena looked very tired at end of united game, so I can live with that decision, but Les wasn't out on his feet and hasn't had injuries, so what about him? How does a sports science actually evaluate the health of player. I hear lots of mentions of red line or red flags or whatever, but how do you actually test (what is the test) to get a red flag that suggests they might pull a muscle if they are played again?

Not sure that's true. We deserved a point or more on Thursday, but by and large we were poor today. A late rally helped by a load injuries to their better players was good to see, but we got what we deserved overall.

He was clattering into Forest players in the first half yet you are saying his heart is not in it? I wouldn't pick him right now too, but that's because he is not playing well and is doing the wrong things - not because he isn't trying or is up for the fight.

Does it really take a young proper athlete like him 3 days to recover from 83 minutes of a Prem game?

Not really seen him until the last two games in which he was poor. He's lightweight, keeps falling over and playing for fouls and technically not quite good enough. His touch keeps letting him down. I don't know if that's the real him, but if it is, we have not replaced KWP. Perhaps he needs more time to settle. He does get forward quite well and puts a good cross in, bit you can't lose the ball in dangerous areas like he does and get away with it in the Prem.

OK, but Les didn't play the full game on Thursday and could have been subbed today. Sulemana could also have been subbed off. The game was over before they got on the pitch.

No one is buying him, so it matters not.

KWP played again and he did a lot of running. Fernandes too. Don't understand that decision.

Yep. A quick player transfer, got JWP on and boom.

Why on earth did Juric not start with Les and Sulemana?

that a foul ref you cunt...