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5 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

That article is nonsense. We don't have a wage bill as large as ours with senior players like those you listed on tiny wages. 

You got a source on the size of our wage bill? I think the numbers on that seemed reasonably sensible. I know atleast the Salisu one lines up with what was reported around the time as his wage.

3 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

With all due respect…premier league footballers do not earn £30k / week these days, unless you’re an upcoming youth prospect, let alone an ex England International.

Majority of our squad are on somewhere between £55k-80k/ week, and if we signed Rose I’m sure he’d be towards the top of that bracket.

Adams, Salisu, Bednarek, and KWP are all on less than £30k for us. JWP, and Armstrong are both below £55k. Wages are inflating but we still have a lot of players who are cheaper.

Source: https://www.spotrac.com/epl/southampton-fc/payroll/

7 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

Is this the new ‘people think we can do better than a European Championship winner in Cedric!?’

I think it's just this one guy, and all he has in the way of a point is repeating his opinion and laughing emoji's so I don't see it catching on. When he provides an answer to "If Rose is so good, why has he not played professional football for a year and nearly ended up at trabzonspor?" then I think the point of view will be worth considering.

3 minutes ago, JustinSFC said:

He ain't worse than Bertrand ffs 😅
 

Anyway... Back to work. 🤣

Guess that's why top clubs are lining up to sign Bertrand and Spurs wouldn't even register Rose a spot in their squad...

9 minutes ago, JustinSFC said:

If someone can suggest to me a LB who can come straight in and do a job who we (Southampton football club) could realistically sign who is better than Danny Rose... I'm all ears....

😅

Better than Rose?  Henry, Firpo, Williams, Tanganga I would all be more happy with by a mile and all are linked. Players not linked but I would like and I think we could get: Antonee Robinson, Javi Galan, Lloyd Kelly I would all prefer. If you are looking for a player on a free who is an LB who is being released this summer in the premier league Rose isn't even in the top two, side from Bertrand I'd also have Van Arnholt.

Honestly it's a very silly question considering Rose was basically due for trabzonspor before the deal fell through at 11pm transfer deadline day. And hasn't even been deemed worthy of being in the spurs squad, and hence hasn't played any pro football in over a year.

2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

If Leicester want him, why would he stay with us?

Because he won't start for Leicester often at all. He will be a cup/rotation option. If we offered full first team football, the chance not to move, and good money, then he'd probably have seen out his career here.

1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

If we really wanted him he'd have stuck around, in my opinion. He was making noises about finishing his career here not so long ago.

It was probably a mutual decision in the end imo.

I agree with this. I think Bertrand would have stayed if offered a decent length deal on first team players wages but we didn't want to do that as we saw him as more of a back up going forward and couldn't justify the outlay. All conjecture though, just seems to be what I pieced together from multiple accounts over the year.

17 minutes ago, JustinSFC said:

Lmao.

We're fucking Southampton mate.

Who are we getting at LB that's better than Danny Rose??

I would snap his hand off if he was willing join us.

Fucking hell, Danny Rose not a good enough starting LB for us. 😅

 

This is the same guy that wasn't good enough for Newcastle. He hasn't played over 2000 minutes in the league in 5 years. In January he missed out at the very last moment of a move to trabzonspor. I think we can compete with small teams from Turkey! It's not 2016 anymore mate, might want to update your ratings of the lad. He is a bench option but lets not go nuts

51 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

the big thing I noticed from the kit launch was no Ings (says a lot about the shirt)....that the club aren't confident he will be around next season.

We only had 4 active players in it, by my count, I wouldn't say it proves that much.

59 minutes ago, nta786 said:

Also direct player swaps don't happen anymore now do they? I think I read it was something to do with FFP and in the financial statements such deals would show as an accounting "loss" on player registrations or something.

Hence why deals have to be structured like KWP/PEH for example. 

I think the last high-profile swap was probably Ibrahimovic/Etoo a long time ago?

 

 

There have been a couple since that I remember. Mkhitaryan for Sanchez and Peter Crouch for Sam Vokes are the only I can think of off the top of my head. I think they will make a big comeback now no one has any money. 

2 minutes ago, Dr. Kucho said:

Danny Rose has just been released by Tottenham. Left back with loads of PL experience, might be worth looking at.

Don't hate the idea as a back up LB but I don't think he should be our first choice in such an important position

8 minutes ago, Billy the Kidd said:

Would be good, but Lookman is RB Leipzig, not Fulham I think.

I ment Woodman, the keeper we were linked with from Newcastle who is currently on loan at Swansea. Newcastle are also linked to Lemina and I doubt he'd drop to the championship given he has already proven he can do a job for a lower table prem side.

3 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

An Edouard/Elyounousi deal in the same way the Hojberg/KWP deals happened would be a decent bit of business. 

Also seen links to Danjuma, Gauld and Woodman. 

Elyounoussi for Edouard, Long for Danjuma, Lemina for Woodman. It's the summer of trading! Be cool if we could pull one of them off. With considerable money thrown in, of course.

I like the kit. Simplicity is best imo, it looks slick and simple. Doesn't need all fancy patterns or designs. I do wish it was striped on the back too but you can't win em all.

34 minutes ago, Professor said:

Certainly scores some goals that other players wouldn't but even allowing for absence through injuries, he's no longer a prolific a scorer.  

He is very much a prolific scoring allowing for injuries. 12 goals in under 2200 minutes this season. If he remained injury free and played about 3200 (35.5 games, which is a pretty reasonable mostly injury-free season) then he'd be on course for about 18 goals, which would have him as as the leagues third best scorer, level with Bruno. Last season he didn't get injured and was second. I'm not sure whether it's sour grapes or that last season really spoiled people, but when Danny plays he is lethal. He just needs to stay fit.

Just now, Wade Garrett said:

Not fanciful to give Reed credit for Mane and Tadic.  They were 100% Koeman signings.

No black box bullshit there.

Koeman was a Reed signing though.

5 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

When was this 26 man squad then? 

March: https://www.thefa.com/news/2021/mar/18/england-mens-senior-squad-named-for-march-internationals-20210318

Goalkeepers: Dean Henderson (Manchester United), Sam Johnstone (West Bromwich Albion), Nick Pope (Burnley)

Defenders: Ben Chilwell (Chelsea), Conor Coady (Wolverhampton Wanderers), Eric Dier (Tottenham Hotspur), Reece James (Chelsea), Harry Maguire (Manchester United), Tyrone Mings (Aston Villa), Luke Shaw (Manchester United), John Stones (Manchester City), Kieran Trippier (Atletico Madrid), Kyle Walker (Manchester City)

Midfielders: Jude Bellingham (Borussia Dortmund), Phil Foden (Manchester City), Jesse Lingard (West Ham United, loan from Manchester United), Mason Mount (Chelsea), Kalvin Phillips (Leeds United), Declan Rice (West Ham United), James Ward-Prowse (Southampton)

Forwards: Dominic Calvert-Lewin (Everton),   Harry Kane (Tottenham Hotspur), Marcus Rashford (Manchester United), Bukayo Saka (Arsenal), Raheem Sterling (Manchester City), Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa)

9 minutes ago, Cartman said:

You mean the people her father brought in to run the club? All she did was keep them in place for a few years before ripping everything apart and bringing in the clown car. Our success was thanks to Markus, Cortese and Mitchell, our decline thanks to her and her incompetent minions.

The three you mention left/died before our best season. A season where famously we had to completely rebuild the side. Those three did good stuff but Koeman, VvD, Mane, Tadic ect. were Les Reed moves.

18 minutes ago, SKD said:

Personally, (excluding McCarthy, that is an awful shout) I’d probably take out mings for Godfrey and maybe Add JWP for maybe Saka and that’d be pretty close to what I’d take. Adding 2 (pretty average players who probably won’t play), doesn’t contribute to ‘the worst squad I’ve ever seen’. That was clearly a massive exaggeration. 

But a reason to go with more attackers is that if we’re behind in a game, there the players who can change it for you. 

Foden and Grelish haven’t played outside a front 3 for their club (this season - the have previously), but that’s not to say they couldn’t for England. After all, the competition for places is a lot stronger. 

He’ll likely have a settled 11- 16 that’ll play pretty much every game, so for 10 or so tournament games, you don’t need a huge amount of depth and balance. You need a little bit of cover and players who can win you a game. Attackers do that. 

3 cbs is not enough depth for a centerback pairing, and 5cbs (if you can call James a CB) is not enough for 3 at the back. It is as simple as that. Two injuries could easily happen in a given position and then we are fucked. Greenwood as a forward will only get on the pitch if all but one of Grealish, Foden, Sterling, Rashford, Sancho, and Saka are unavailable. It's a pretty simple concept, it doesn't matter what you think about these players relative quality, what matters is we have depth in case something happens to our first team. If we have two CB injuries we can't shove Greenwood in there, no matter how good he is. This is why our last 26 man squad had 5 cbs as well as Walker and James. Because going into a tournament with only one spare CB is potential suicide. 

23 minutes ago, SKD said:

Not really. Walker and James have both played as a 3rd CB in a 3 and Walker done it pretty well at the last World Cup. 
 

Foden and Grealish could be seen as players who can play in the middle of the park in a more advanced role (if you play a 3) and we don’t really have any other CM’s (you could argue a case for JWP) that are ripping up trees to get in there. 
 

We are strongest, by a long way, in attack. Why not play to your strengths and go top heavy. I’d rather that than chucking a CB or CM who aren’t very good and will just sit on the bench the whole tournament. 
 

‘the worst squad I’ve ever seen’ is a massive over exaggeration. 

If we are playing 3atb (considering your 3rd CB comment) then it is 5 cbs for three roles which is still insane, and for two of them to be out of position fullbacks is even more mental! Also not sure about James as a CB, lad is 5'7'', not sure I fancy that!

Neither Foden nor Grealish has played almost at all outside of the front three all season, it's why they are forwards in the actual England squad. JWP could be added which would be 6 for 3 roles, which is probably fine.

We may be strongest in attack but that doesn't mean we want less than two players to every role. How can you have a 26 man squad and not have two to every role? Why so you can have Bamford and Greenwood sit on the bench as 4th/5th choice in their chosen role? Whats the point? 0 balance in that. They sit on the bench until we get an injury or two at CB and suddenly we are lining up against Germany with Walker Mings James as a back 3, or a pairing of Walker Mings not all the talented CBs which missed out like Dunk, Tark, Coady. And why, well if we lose 5 other players it would be a shame not to have Greenwood as 6th choice.

1 minute ago, cloggy saint said:

I guess you weren't around 1992-1995.

I didn't mean in terms of quality, I ment as a suggestion for how we should construct it. 10 forwards and 3 cbs is just insane.

On 25/05/2021 at 10:13, goneawol said:

He makes Chris Sutton's Euro squad..😕

Goalkeepers (3): Henderson, McCarthy, Pickford

Defenders (8): Alexander-Arnold, Chilwell, James, Maguire, Mings, Shaw, Stones, Walker

Midfielders (7): Bellingham, Foden, Grealish, Henderson, Mount, Phillips, Rice

Forwards (8): Bamford, Calvert-Lewin, Greenwood, Kane, Rashford, Saka, Sancho, Sterling

That's the worse England squad I've ever seen. Three centerbacks, one of them being Mings, and three rightbacks?! Then he has three center forwards and Greenwood and Rashford who can also play there, Grealish and Foden listed as midfielders despite both playing as forwards all season. He is bringing 3 CBs for two roles, 5 CMs for three roles and 10 forwards for three roles?! Absolute nutter. If we play 3atb its even more ridiculous. 

1 hour ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Ings is over-rated. Where are the 20 goals a season that we all thought he'd deliver? Defenders find him easy to play against.

Who the hell predicted another 20 goal season?! A 20 goal season is insane, even getting one is mad. Ings got 12 goals which if he played a whole season would still be a good haul, considering how many minutes he played he scored more goals per minute than the likes of Watkins, Bamford, DCL, Aubameyang, Son, Vardy, Antonio ect. He has been absolutely fine this season.

9 minutes ago, Streaky said:

Errr its djenepo today 

I thought it was Diallo. Ridiculous that these players who are still under 23 aren't already mega-consistent megastars! 

The big difference between Djenepo and Boufal is when we signed Boufal he was just about to turn 23. Djenepo is still only 22 and signed at 20. Boufal failing between the ages of 23 and 26 is him failing for a chunk of his prime. Djenepo failing between 20 and 22 is much more acceptable. He is still very young, just over a year older than Tella, still plenty of time to come good.