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And with boycotters numbering in the 10's or 100's (as we are continually being told on here), then the vast majority were simply turned away by what was on offer. And that sadly is the cold hard facts we have to accept, and as much as we would like to get 32,000 in any division against any opposition, to get above the hard core support base you have to provide them with a reason to come (success on the pitch, entertainment, empathy with the Board/Club etc etc etc). Now of course our resident Charlton, Leeds, Villa, Basingstoke, Andover, Aldershot etc etc etc fan may not like it, but that's the harsh realities of modern day football.

Exactly.

Supremes or Kim Wilde singing You Keep Me Hanging On????

Little Connor was rather prophetic though wasn't he, as Wotte was complicit in our relegation. And it looks as though maybe we weren't easy in our judgement after all as the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up proved to be an abject failure.

You really would have done better to heed your own advice there. Nothing more to add, as the posts above say it all.

And I was merely pointing out that NineSunThirdFlashDanceTeen CanBeastBearManTeen had given Matty a slagging, contrary to his claims (I didn't realise posts were time barred on here:D and something like 5 weeks ago is hardly off in the annals of time;)). In fact, I'd say it's even more hypocritical to go around slagging MLT, only to backtrack when all of a sudden he comes to our rescue;)

What is the form on here if you've been banned??? Are you just allowed to conjure up a different used name, pay your monies and start afresh again??? If so, sorting out a new user name and paying £5 is hardly a deterrent to trolls.

Well a few weeks back according to you he was only marginally above spitting bile and was not up for promoting unity:D Too bad he was promoting the bid that will hopefully save us:smt117

Out love is like a ship on the ocean;)

I've always had your tender lips to keep me warm:D

What you going to do next????? PM us all again LMFAO:D Troll boy

Got one of the 1976 FA Cup Final ones. As a cheapskate I bought up the fayre the following August along wth loads of other bits and pieces (including that clasy mirror!!!!) for half price.

But that's the problem when you're trolling and posting anything for a bite, as you often forget just what princples you're sticking up for today;) Who else has received one of his abusive PM's:smt084 NineSunThirdFlashTeen CanDanceManBearBeastTeen in "Shoots himself in foot Shocker (again)":D:D

I often do enter in to discussions and debates with those across the Saints supporting spectrum, just not with trolls who have too many user names that it is impossible to keep up with. Are you also logged on to the Charlton, Leeds, Basingstoke, Andover, Salisbury & Villa forums??? Do you have multiple ID's on there as well???

I find it very difficult with you as I have no idea which one of your many personalities are on the board and so we are swamped with opinions;) Were all your previous monikers banned, or do you just pop under new ones for a giggle:D????

I totally agree that some stayed away out of sheer bloody mindedness, or even hatred of Lowe, but my defence was aimed at those "true" boycotters who did something they believed in. I'm not saying they were right or wrong, as ultimately everyone has to be responsible for their own actions. I also don't really see the point of this thread, as we really should have moved on by now and to be honest I wasn't really going to bother posting on it until I saw your post having a pop at your fellow fans. Everyone has the right to do what they feel is right for them. We really should have moved on and TBH the OP isn't/wasn't necessary.

I don't think any Saints fan would be happy that we found ourselves in such a precarious position last Friday, not least those who would argue they made the ultimate sacrifice. They would probably argue that following the abject failure that was last season, then their stance was vindicated as their belief that Lowe & co were not the way forward was proved to be correct. They could also argue that had more people taken their stance then the madness of last season may have been nipped in the bud earlier. Of course it's very difficult talking on behalf of other people, but I certainly wouldn't call their actions bloody mindedness as they probably didn't believe their actions to be stubbornly obstructive.

NineSunThirdFlashTeenDanceMan CanBeatBearManTeen will support anyone the majority aren't keen on and conversely have a pop at those who the majority are in support of, regardless of the merits of debate one way or the other, as it is classic trolling technique. Expect many more pops at anyone in order to create some "Scooby" type of fun:rolleyes:

And they would counter that they were witholding their financial support as they did not want to prop up a regime which they believed was not in the best long term interests of the Club. That's not bloody mindedness, that's holding and supporting a very valid point of view. It may not be one that you believe in, it may have been right or it may have been wrong (and it may have been 10's or 1000's), but I certainly wouldn't call it bloody mindedness as it is very much a valid stance IMHO.

No need to worry, Matty is as tough as nails:D

Cheapskate!!!!!!!!!! Buy a new one, if not I'm shipping one over. Then again, given it's almost 15 years old I reckon it's older than some of the buildings over your way:D

I don't think anyone (apart from the resident troll) has too much of a problem with people not being able to justify spending their hard earned money on total rubbish. Beyond the die hards you need a good reason to attract the next tranche of supporters and last season we failed to do that. Everyone supports the Club in their own way and I don't think it is right for anyone to judge whether that way is right or wrong, as ultimatley it's right for them. But can't you see that they also believed that what they were doing was in the best long term interests of the Club??? I'm not going into whether they were right or wrong to hold that view, (as ultimately they felt they had to do what they did), or how many it involved, but I find it hard to understand why you can't accept they had every right to hold that view.

I'm afraid I would have to disagree Phil. It was a very poor business decision and before people suggest it was a "subsidised fan service" then I'm afraid they're wide of the mark as it 's original intention (noted throughout a number of Annual Reports and statements) was for it to be a profitable enterprise. Instead it drained money out of the Club. Around that time I had been involved in a number of football media initiatives (ITV Digitial, Leeds cable TV, Granada's, NTL's and Carlton's investments in football) and it was hard enough making some of them work, so the idea that we could turn a profit from a radio station linked to a provincial club was always wishful thinking. Apprently when Lowe & co offered ££££'s for the licence the look on the owners faces was akin to Seth Johnson and his agents when Risdale offered him that outrageous contract!!!!!!

I also think the constant changing of managers is a huge problem. Three in the season we bombed out of the top flight, bombing out Pearson at the end of last season and then kicking out his replacement 6 months or so later was always going to cause us problems, but I would argue it is the selection and appointments in the first place that have been the bigger problem!!!!! Sticking with a duffer of a manager in the name of stability is a big no no for me.

We were relegated even without the ten points deduction, and still ended up 7 points from safety (with the divisions worst goal difference). The real killer blow to the team occurred some ten months earlier when Pearson made way for the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up. Poortvliet's tenure of less than a point a game was an absolute disaster (yes, even worse than Wigleys!!!) and Wotte's follow up was pretty poor as well, only just getting above a point a game. Wotte's points per game across a whole season would have seen us relegated and the way we ended the season with that "diamond formation" in midfield did us no favours whatsoever. Along with many of the players, he talked the talk far too much last season.