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So how come you're sounding like his mother and getting all upset about it. You need to try and rise above things Frank, because you come across as all blinkered and bitter (someone pt a link up here the other day about bitterness being a medical condition, maybe you should have another look). Wotte underperformed as a part of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up and also on his own, and for that IMHO deserves to get the boot. It's not about personalities or who hired him, it's solely down to results and performances on the pitch. I'm not getting any pleasure out of that, as ultimately it means our Club has suffered, but I won't be shedding any tears for him either. Football's a tough, ruthless business and having been sacked before I'm sure Wotte knows that better than you or I. So to try and score some cheap points and accuse me of taking pleasure in Wotte's demise is low, even by your standards. Just for the record one more time, I don't take any pleasure in suggesting Wotte should get the sack. This is simply football and there are managerial casualties all the time. So get down from your high horse and stop being so sanctimonious. A football supporter calling for the managers head, how very, very, very dare you!!!

Behave yourself. Football is a tough business and anyone who enters into it knows the benefits and the pitfalls. They should be tough enough to be able to face the bad times as well as the good times. And quite frankly if they haven't got the mettle to deal with such adversity then they really shouldn't be in this tough business. If we're going to be all nicey nicey, then maybe we should still have Wigley at the helm. And darn anyone who suggested Poortvliet should get the boot. What is pathetic is your effort to shoot some cheap shots when at the end of the day calling for a change of manager is par for the course in the world of football. Shock, horror, football fan suggests manager should get the sack. Faux outrage abounds. Maybe you should have been saying the same to Lowe and Wilde when you were speaking to them a year ago about not booting Pearson out.

What is odd is thinking we will only be able to employ a manager who has to be worse than Wotte, and even then he will only be able to be employed 2 days before the start of the season. It's a big wide world out there you know, and there are slightly more alternatives and possibilities than you would seem to like us to believe. Your line is that if the choice is Wigley or Poortvliet being appointed 2 days before the season, then you would rather go with Wotte. Quite frankly, so would I, but it's a rather noddy line to take.

We could always talk about Zimbabwe, then you culd really flex your muscles;)

Oh, LOL, the classic chestnut of I'd rather have him than employ someone like Wigley (or even Poortvliet). Quite frankly, if Wotte is the best we can attract or hope for, then I think we're fcked anyway. Let's just settle for someone who was integral to the last shambles of a season, because in that big wide world out there there is no one better who we could get. Let's all go provincial!!!! Has to be one of the most pss poor reasons for sticking with a failed manager - at least he knows why we're sht (how about we're sht because he played such a big part?). I wouldn't mind if people came up with valid reasons to justify their opinions but (a) we may not get anyone better and (b) he knows where we're crap is rather lame. That young lad on the marches got Wotte right. A joke as a part of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up, and no change when he went it alone.

The only thing I can remember is the ludicrous comments you've been making on here for ages, including the 50% wages bill (we're still not at that level three or four years on LOL) and how the Executives played it with a straight bat. When it comes to financial stuff, I'd probably give Jackson the benefit of the doubt over you LMFAO. Spiralling;)

That's the same kind of ****** that was trotted out as reasons for keeping Lowe (fat lot of good that did LOL). We're still a good catch and if things go well we may actually go into next season with a new found vibrancy about the place. But don't worry, stick with someone who was up to his neck in probably the worst season in our history because there might not be anyone better out there! Consistency of what???? Consistency of relegation, sh1te and failure. Yeah right, let's keep him on so we can benefit from his consistency (hang on, didn't we do that around January time???).

Totally agree. If he had any semblence of character, any pride and if he really does like us, then he would quietly trot off back to Holland, the Middle East etc etc etc. A failure, and involved with all the failings of this failed season.

Half term coaching courses for me. Seems as though that young lad who led the marches called it right;)

Officially??? Nowhere

But with some of the deal relying on contingent payments (some just staged, some dependent on promotion & other milestones), then the creditors and the Administrator need to be looking further than just cash in hand as we stand here today. I understand what you're saying in that the administrator's priority is to the creditors, but as this deal hass an element of contingent payments to it, then it is everyone's interest for it have some legs.

Needs to put in perspective, because after Lowe's second stint of carnage we had absolutely no money and were out on our feet. The alternative to Pinnacle's "little" money would appear to be no Club.

Do you know that Stuart green posts on here??

You would have been better off PM'ing the two or three individuals direct. HTH.

I think we paid close to 7 figures for the initial outlay of the FM licence in 2004 (got the equipment FOC when Radio 1st went tts up a year or so earlier). It lost £200k in its last year of operation and I would have thought earlier losses would have been greater given the SKY 899 channel et al. Probably something approaching £2m over its short lifetime.

Have to agree. For too long people have perpetuated this myth that our set up over at Staplewood is /was up there with the best, when the simple facts are that it is average (at best). Certainly better than some, but light years behind what some clubs have.

My only contribution to this thread is that over the weekend I was told by someone very close to the action that Jackson and Green were too late. No other information was disclosed, but I read it that they were too late because someone else had pipped them (as opposed to the plug being pulled). Sort of stacks up with the OP, but never got any inkling about who the bidders actually were.

As a youngster how about Steve Foster??? As for "established" players, how about Adebayor & Maxi Rodrigues???

As if that's stopped you in the past:D BTW Stuart Green posts on here you know;)

Totally agree that nothing in football is a secret anymore. Rest assured if Sunderland and/or Derby were in for him then their agents/advisors would have been straight on to Jones' agent letting them know and whispering in his ear. The idea that you could keep another club's interest away from a player in todays world doesn't stack up. He may well have been pssed off that we were playing hardball for a decent fee and he could see the Premier £££££'s fading away, but that was no reason for him to go on strike. And didn't he even try to use the death of the Seville player to justify his actions?

We may be pretty skint (we may soon even be out of business!!!!), but I still think we are a very attractive proposition on the managerial front. Of course we never going to attract the really top talent and we're not going to attract those who want mega bucks, but even though we are Divisin Three side, I believe we would still be an attractive name for many managers to have on their CV. A manager who delivers success with us in Division Three would immediately be on a roll.

Sometimes, as was the case with Wigley, Gray, Poortvliet etc, the problem lies not with dumping the manager so quickly, but more with why they were appointed in the first place. I would argue that sticking with a poor, underperforming manager in the name of stability is a false economy. IMHO there's nothing wrong with booting out someone who is rubbish, you just have to learn from why you appointed them in the first place (or what caused it all to go wrong) and try and guard against repeating those mistakes. With 50% of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up already on the scrap heap, I wouldn't be averse to starting all over again. Hockaday hasn't been around for ages, he's been on gardening leave for months. As for Svensson, well sorry but there are no sacred cows when you are looking to get this Club back on its feet. Getting back to the original premise of the thread, then I have to say Wotte is not the man for me to take this Club forward. I saw nothing when he was a part of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up that made me sit up and notice and I certainly didn't see anything during the time he was solely in charge that made me think he is the man to drive us forward. If we have the money (and f we still have an Academy), then I would be OK for him to focus on that, well away from first team affairs, but otherwise a total break from the past wouldn't be a bad idea.

Whilst I of course hope I am proved wrong, I do have this very nagging worry that we really are in the mire!!!!! It may of course just be my perception, but when other clubs have gone into the mix, there always seemed to be something happening in the background. Our equivalent may of course be Pinnacle or these other bids, but I just don't think that at the moment there is anything tangible to any of them. As a fanbase we appear to be fairly apathetic to it all (which is understandable) and I also think the size of the debt and sums involved have led us to think that we, as supporters, are insignificant in terms of the whole charade. And of course the biggest problem is probably falling on hard times when there is little appetite for failing football clubs with the wider economy in such a poor state. The economic backdrop must be making it extremely hard to find any way out of this mess. I don't know exactly how it will all pan out, i.e. will we be permitted to ply our trade in the Conference, will we sink even further, is there a loophole that we could exploit to carry on in Div 3 etc etc etc, but I just don't see any White Knights coming over the horizon to buy us given our current circumstances in the current financial climate!!!!

And had Lowe done the same and lent the Club some money in it's hour of need, then I would have said fair play to him and defended him from any wakners who would so spectacularly be missing the bigger picture and putting their own petty spite and bitternes before the good of the Club. This thread has been rather enlightening on that front, as it has really highlighted those with bitter engrained prejudices who fail to see the bigger picture. And of course Lowe hasn't yet managed to help out.