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He's not supplying goods, he's pumped in cash that will be paid out the back door as soon as he arrives at the front door with the money bags.

I much preferred you and others kicking Crouch, as your twisting, turning and squirming is no where near as good. The money Crouch has put in will soon be in Rasiak's, Euell's, Skacel's and many others back pockets. If he wants it back then he will have to pop round their houses if we're not sold. Anything of any value will already have a charge on it and Barclay's in particular will not be amenable to allowing Crouch to suddenly jump ahead of them in the queue of preferred creditors. There is a massive risk attached to this loan. I expected it of some of the usual dinlo's on this thread, but have to say I'm slightly surprised at how quick you jumped in here nickh.

In case it may have passed you by, we are on the cusp of going under, no one has yet to step up to the plate, we're not selling season tickets because there is no guarantee that they will be honoured etc etc etc so I think it is fair to say there is a degree of risk lending/giving money to the Club given its current predicament.

How do you manage to watch all of your teams then????? Do you have season tickets at ther grounds as well???? When there's a clash, who takes prioty???? Come on you Valiants, Lions, Pea****s, Whites etc etc etc:D

If Pearson was our RSM, then I can only presume that Jan veryPoor Feet and Wotte a load of rubbish are these two: Harry Enfield: Dutch Police Posted by Ed at 5:07 PM

I too have read this thread a couple of times and the hypocrisy, bias, spite and unbalanced posts from those determined to knock Crouch (amongst others) at all costs is risible. Many have shown that they are simply unable to judge individual decisions and outcomes without having to scrape the bottom of the barrel with their insults, but instead have to retreat to some entrenched position in an attempt to justify their rather myopic and impartial stance. What is noticeable is that after some initial robust posts, many who were at first criticising/crucifying/lambasting Crouch (in their usual knee jerk manner) have now started to rein in their crass comments as they have been found to be extremely wanting, so maybe we should be thankful for small mercies. Others however, still try to justify their crass position. In a way, a very enlightening thread which has shown how some have struggled to put their prejudices aside and instead have been happy to hang them out rather than being able to see what is for the greater good of the Club.

Absolutely. I would have thought any reasonable and sensible person could distinguish between the two. Crouch would appear to have acted rather generously here and looks to have bought us more time to be saved (no that's not the same as some idiot trying to claim that by buying us time, we have inadvertently incurred more of Fry's charges:rolleyes:), but that does not give him any right or shout over being in the hot seat going forward (not that I would want him there either). The two acts are totally independent of each other and should be judged as such.

Their wages are not guaranteed by the Football League, althought there is a precedent that the PFA might make a loan/payment to cover them. However, there is also the chance that if we fail to pay the players then they could walk away claiming breach of contract and therefore it would not be possible to raise any money from player sales to help take us forward. Additionally, I'm sure others, including myself, are probably more concerned with the office workers, and other smaller creditors etc at SMS who do not earn the big wedges and who would not be bailed out by the PFA. So whilst it probably made no difference to the Euell's and Rasiak's of this world, it will probably have rather different impact on the "mere" staff at SMS and it would also have a major impact on the future of the Club with reference to being able to raise sums through transfers if we got to a firesale.

What is hypocritical is the words from a few sad individuals (and I accept it is only a few) who are unable to judge and comment on individual decisions in differing contexts as time moves on. Whilst some are trolling, others would appear to be rather dim or indeed somewhat bitter and twisted that they fail to recognise good from whatever source. Crouch may have made mistakes in the past, but that should not preclude people from accepting that on this occasion he may well be doing quite a bit to keep our Club afloat. It is the carte blanche criticisms and risible attempts by a few to try and read negatives into everything by people (from all sides) that are hypocritical. When Lowe announced he had the support of the bank this time last year, many, including myself, congratulated him for securing that support as in the bigger picture that was certainly a benefit to our Club. Sadly, some of the more vociferous on here are unable to show such balance and what makes it worse is that some are very often the ones shouting loudest about impartiality and balance.

Which is exactly my thoughts and what I said, in that whilst I pray we will come out of this OK, I am rather pessimistic that someone will come up with the goods as a result of being in this crisis at such unprecedented times. I'm ever so sorry if my concerns upset you, maybe you just need to get some more vino down you. As much as I would love it to be the case, I very much doubt that mere positive wishful thinking on this forum will bring us our White Knight.:smt117:smt117

Maybe, so let's hope that even on their forward projections the gap between income and costs looks to be manageable. The problem looks to be as much about funding the losses going forward as it is the upfrnt price to join the game. I jusy don't think you can compare any premiership club with one from the lower divisions. the numbers involved are so different.

I think that's faor enough as we have seen it on numerous occasions how football is an eo trip, so there could well be other reasons to invest. It may not be atht they just don't have the funds, more that they're just not willing to pay out what is required/expected/wanted, even if it is just for an ego trip.

Many of them managed to renegotiate/reduce their debts (e.g. Lecicester)when the penalties weren't as stringent and perhaps more importantly the wider economy was a lot more buoyant. Well like most trolls he'll eventually burn himself out (problem with our resident troll is desire to pop back up under different names;))

Trust me, with regards our resident troll Sundance, 19C, Flashman, Third Bear etc etc etc, my posts were eminently sensible.:smt117 With regards selling SMS seperately, then I have always been of the view that it is totally dependent on whether or not the Football Club stays as a going concern. The value changes massively if there is no tenant willing to pay "rental income", so any deal on the stadium will be inextricably linked to to the sale (or not) of the Club. I could see it being sold to a seperate entity, but I think the decision on the future of the Club will have to come first (Is that OK for you JohnB???).

The problem I have with this Pinnacle lot is that I suspect they are not doing this from a "love of the Club" perspective, but instead from a hard nose business POV. In which case I have no doubt they are getting cold feet as I think it is understandable to be baulking at the numbers particualry those required to fund us going forward, when viewed purely as an investment opportunity. I really worry for the future of the Club as I'm not overly confident of any group coming up with the funds to acquire the Club, nor having the funds to run it going forward.

The put me on ignore;) Although that's not in the Trolling For Dummies book is it:D Just what made you choose all of your various user names???? What motivated you to send people those PM's???? Which team will you support next???? Who was your favourite team that you have supported????

Hey Troll boy, I think everyone has witnessed your own unhealthy obsession of many things on here under your various guises (19C, Sundance, Third Bear, Flashman etc etc etc). Everyone of them slightly more obsessed and rabid than their previous incarnation:D Pray tell what makes you so obsessed with trolling that you have come back under many guises??? Simple question: Why have you had so many monikers on here???

It must be very difficult rying to work out who you are going to support from one year to the next. So tell us more about your Charlton/Leeds/Basingstoke/Andover/Salisbury supporting days???????? Who did you feel the most connection to???? And just why have you felt it necessary to go through so many identities on here?????? Banned, bored or just trolling????

And of course the biggest case of mistaken identity is that you weren't Sundance, Flashman, Third Bear etc etc etc:rolleyes:;) We're all sooooooooooo confused.:smt041;)

good ole Tom had different personalities and had an interest in many clubs, which is something in common with Sundance, Nineteen, Flashman, Thrid Bear or whoever he is this month;)

Was that someone from Leeds, Charlton, Basingstoke, Andover, Salisbury , Southampton etc etc etc??? And was that when you were Sundance, Nineteen, Third Bear, Flashman etc etc etc??? No wonder you forget what you post up on here!!!!!!!!!!

Whenever there is a dark moment relating to Saints I only have ot look at that statue and I crack up:D:D It's the dimensions, the wonky hand, the size 3 football, the Milan Mandaric look alike, the mottled plinth, the whole package:smt041:smt041

Whenever you've been banned or your old user name expired you happily pop back under a new one LMFAO. I'm struggling to put all your user names to all your football teams. Sundance = closet Leeds Flashman = closet Andover Third Bear = closet Salisbury etc etc etc LOL NineSunFlashThirdTeen CanDanceBearBeastTeen uses his special football kit pack to decide who he will support this week

I was almost wetting myself when he just had to try and find something negative attached to this gesture by Crouch. And if the best he could come out with is that this gesture is actually stretching out the process and therefore Fry is billing us more:rolleyes:, then I have to say that he really is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

And before Branfoot there were those for and against Nicholl carrying on when he had some trouble with the dressing room. It's always been there. Stuff on here gets well overhyped and it's never as polarised and rabid in real life (certainly some of those on here would get some short, sharp shrift if they were like this in real life;)). And of course, get some good results and a semblence of success and the past will soon be forgotten as we're all rather fickle.