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What, like central banks? Wonga? Seriously, if money for nothing is your problem, there are more deserving targets for your ire.

Not so sure about the EU lark, but sounds good anyway You don't have to be a socialist to do social engineering. Just ask anyone that's been to a food bank, had an ATOS test, been forced to work for nowt, can't get part time hours because someone is forced to work for nowt, the parents who'll see their kids die in future because they don't have health insurance. Just sayin'

I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader.

Whatever mate. I'm just glad you're over that whole "asking-the-same-questions-like-a-three-year-old-child-might" phase. Anything is an improvement, even getting called a bullshítter.

I actually do think it's a factor. I also climbed down a bit when Verbal put in his second post of the day. That could have been an interesting springboard for discussion, but it was not to be. I'll speak to you tomoz when he's put in another post you can subsist off

This quote isn't dripping in sarcasm at all. Unfortunately, neither is this.

York it is, then. Try not to breathe in too much of that sixties asbestos. We all worry, y'know. Yeah, right. Foreign investors ploughing billions into property prices has no effect on the rest of the city. http://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/jul/01/foreign-investment-london-property It's not simpleton economics, or defunding London. It's deciding the most appropriate place to have the capital. I'd prefer to see London do the New York thing, and remain the financial centre, leaving somewhere like Manchester as the government capital. Just stop thinking for others, Verbal. You can barely manage it yourself.

If it happened, I'd pay more than most

If there was ever a catalyst for change, this would be it. If it were me, I'd move the capital and force the issue.

Personally, I think that questioning the legitimacy of your authority is a civic duty in a democracy. If the union is a marriage, then the Westminster-led government has been an abusing spouse, not just to Scotland, but to much of the country. I know quite a few Northerners that'd love to have more regional powers. Of course, the really interesting thing is that localism is one of the things that the Tories really wanted to push, enshrined in the Localism Act of 2011. That there is an implicit admission that Westminster isn't doing a job, or isn't suitable for local matters.

All valid points. Why so angry today? Stuck in York with your dunderheaded provincial pals? In those awful sixties buildings? I sympathise. I literally wouldn't send my kid there. Foreign money has radically changed the London property market. It's a basic supply and demand situation. Sheiks and oligarchs might not be hoovering up low cost housing in London (is there any?), but they are investing heavily in office space, property in decent areas and business. On the property front, they've been chasing prime locations in desirable areas. This pushes professionals into traditionally poorer areas, so while the poor may not be competing with sheiks and barons, they are competing with relatively well paid professionals who are chasing cheaper rents. http://www.economist.com/blogs/blighty/2014/04/gentrification-london It has a huge bearing, ta. Just not as direct as it needs to be for your mind to grasp it.

It's only disingenuous if it's untrue. Yes, of course I'm including the whole country. Should I not have?

Turn the power to the have-nots Then came the shot....

Divide and row

JFK

Behave yourself. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/07/celebrities-open-letter-scotland-independence-full-text

Nationalised industries can also make money, just as EDF did when it took £1.6Bn in profit from the UK market alone.

Always has done. I first saw him on Big Brother's Big Mouth. Actually thought it was coke at the time. Very strange world when he talks more sense than most elected officials though.

Nationalised industries, either recently privatised or in the process of privatisation. National railways are now just a private sector tax on commuters. Perversely, London, which is the most expensive city in the country, has some of the cheapest and most effective public transport. Still in public ownership.

Perhaps a little, but the market is largely set by what it'll bear. Sheiks and oligarchs bear a lot of cash, and dictate the top end of the market.

John Oliver ( bloody excellent). He wants a No, btw. [video=youtube;-YkLPxQp_y0]

Somewhere to live within your budget?

What, like Royal Mail, the railways or the NHS?

They're buying shítloads of property, driving costs of property up. Dovetailed with the Tory "we won't pay more than £400 p.w. HB", the poor are being driven out of London. I love to educate, as you know - I thank you for this opportunity Not really. The economy is configured to run on debt. Huge democratic deficit, both in the way we "choose" our head of state and elect our Parliamentarians. 70% of all land being in the hands of 200,000 people, while families live in shít while waiting a decade for social housing. National industries defunded, made to look shít, and sold off to private industries at a knock-down price. It's set up for the rich. Doesn't sound fair to me. It is, but not for whatever reasons you're conjuring.

I don't understand. You were saying that the yes campaign had been violent throughout. How is this the first reported assault?