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There are genuinely a couple of Liberals on here who honestly cannot fathom why they'd be completely slaughtered at the elections. I mean, to think they'd even be considered after the rampant hammering predicted. Lesson to be learned though. Don't sell your morals to play the minor partner in a coalition simply because you've been unelectable for a century otherwise a repeat will probably occur. People don't forget.

Now what was it Graeme Souness said about Woopert again?

The thing is, I'm not going to big up William Hauge because the labour opposition are a bunch of hypocrites either. I'm not going to pretend what either of them are pertaining to do is in any way "good" because it's not. As I said before and I'm glad the green party mentioned it (however much I object to what appears to be an Aussie running for office here), Taking a blanket 20% out of disability assistance for no reason other than saving money because (as the Daily Mail often puts it) disabled people are all a bunch of feckless shirkers is just abhorrent. There was a woman in the audience on QT that made my blood boil however and I think she possesses a common view of "they should not buy cigarettes and booze and make sure they're better with their money and they wont need help" I think was the line. How ignorant and rude. But as I've said, I understand labour are currently no better but I will not champion William Hauge for what his party are currently proposing simply because the other option is rubbish.

Nope, you are right, Harman is a condescendingly hypocritical champagne socialist like you say. It still doesn't stop me being completely disgusted (like John Major by the way) by the behaviour of this current tory party.

Must have been watching another QT from me as he came across as the usual tory boy heartless buffoon.

I have to admit, I totally agree with the leader of the greens; it's disgusting of Hauge to gloat over the cutting of the ILF, knocking of a blanket 20% of disability benefits and chucking people into poverty. These are all proven facts but either way, this image sums it all up: https://scontent-bru.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11181206_10152753538902217_6015006149174884386_n.jpg?oh=be97db192e5b29c0309486784a122f7d&oe=55E0CD94

Well, with their current empty economic claims; that's not surprising. I just hope whoever gets in doesn't spend the entire next term blaming the previous government for every ill.

Kinda like this: http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/apr/23/tories-have-30bn-black-hole-in-spending-plans-says-ifs Having said this, most disabled people know where these cuts will come from far too well.....what with us all being "shirkers"

Both parties are doing this kind of thing. I do love the gigantic amount of money the conservatives appear to have found for the NHS as well...like the above, no explanation from where though.

I think it's pretty obvious. I thought it was Labour's job to spend, spend spend and borrow out of control?

Rather interesting chart this one concerning public spending... http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/spending_chart_1997_2011UKp_12c1li011mcn_G0t

OR, you can run government services in a productive, profit-making manner and plough the money back from said (kinda sovereign wealth fund companies like the current government are trying to do with companies like Ordnance Survey). We don't need to sell off the family jewelry to be profitable. All I'm saying, is that whilst services should be run for a profit, we don't need to point blank sell them off. but rather lease them and keep a tight reign. I just think private business has it's place, but when it comes to national services such as rail, gas, electric, water etc it should be clear who the company are renting it from and not just sell it off completely like our last 3 governments.

How many Labour MPs have you seen lately following the traditional labour (original, Unionistic ) line? Simply because it only appears to be going one way for the past 30 years.

Should rephrase that. When you support a party with no mandate to lead who appear to be focussing on targeting those who are not of their ilk then perhaps mentioning class warfare at all is perhaps not the best idea.

I've heard it all now. Tory voters complaining that all Labour voters think about is a class war. It's been a class war for the last 5 years. A camel through the eye of a needle......

Pretty sure I'm the one trying to point out that banks use quantitative easing all the blooming time and I think you'll find market forces is what led us to this situation...As well as the fact socialism and lefty nonsense is a hell of a lot younger than right-wing greed.

You could ask if it was the poorest who got us into this mess after all? And to be totally subjective, it seems perfectly reasonable to come down hard on the bankers, big city money men and their ilk much harder than you would, say a single, working class mother with kids and rent to pay.

"Fairness" is a very subjective word. I would suggest that traditionally the person from the working classes would consider Labour to be "fairer" since they generally had their ideals at heart whereas the Tories have always been a throwback to the days of serfdom and the have's and could traditionally count on those of the middle and upper classes believing what they stood for was "fair". But of course, now we have the aspiring classes (previously called snobs) who believe themselves not to be a part of the working class and will usually vote Tory and agree with every policy they make. To counter that you now have the champagne socialists like Blair who've essentially turned labour into a Tory-lite party but have managed to win over some middle class votes. So really, what I'm saying, aside from babbling is that fairness really is a pile of nonsense.

Banks do it ALL the time.

OR we can make money out of thin air like the banks do. This deficit mantra is just politically-motivated scare tactics.

Didn't he complain about Paxman being biased too? Even though Jeremy Paxman is quite right-wing?

Shame about the pompey fan commenting on how they loathe vile owners on the gofundme site. They love dodgy owners.

No they don't you are right. John Major was from Brixton and very working-class so in a sense, he's like Darren Anderton (seen as a bit of a traitor). Although even John Major has come out lately and complained about the treatment of the poor and disabled by this coalition. One could say he's spoken out against the tories more than Clegg ever has. Also, I grant you, within the left there have been those who'll use the mantra for their own goals. Kinda like I explain to my father when he suggests China (where he spends a lot of time) is communist. I explain that true communism is a methodology of thought but more so an economic system and that what we actually have in most "communist countries" is a right-wing, totalitarian system....never more so than China. So yes, it's fair to say there have been nutters parading as both right and left but usually those on the right ARE right wing and those of the left tend to be right-wing-thinking people using such a system to their advantage.....maybe I was wrong to say that we shouldnt think of people as right or left.

In the footballing sense, on a saints messageboard having a blue nose is a bit dodgy. I also get a bit dogmatic because I know what the unionist/conservative party were formed from and looking at their leadership it doesn't appear to have changed. I find this sad. I find many of their policies stuck in a time long before the 1960's and it makes me deeply suspicious of their motives. Whilst Labour are more centre now, I don't think you should class anyone as purely a "leftie" or a "right-winger" but you'll understand how it's so much easier to think of the right as a bunch of nasty so-in-so's than it is the left.

How long was the gap last time? 90 years?