Mole

It was moved to the muppet forum and locked. I feel it didn't work.

A carricature of one of my posts? Really, i feel honoured. The majority of your posts must be in my honour in that case. You should become a kids entertainer as i'm sure 5 year olds would laugh at your jokes.

Is this supposed to be funny?:smt102

And you should keep your schoolboy humour to the muppet forum.

Keith used to say this and then one day he met Mike Wilde. You post about what you're interested in and i'll post about what i'm interested in.

The criticisms before hand were because you advertised it on TSF and then stalled on commiting to report back the findings. I pointed out that you'd be used if you weren't careful and for that reason it should be minuted. Once you all agreed that you'd insist it was minuted no-one really had a problem. You learned Wilde was manipulative? You were stitched up like kippers as i said you would be if you weren't careful. Jealousy didn't come into it Frank, i was trying to be helpful and in hindsight i'm sure you'll agree it would have been wise to honour your comittment to fans to insist the meeting was minuted.

Correct. Mistakes were made early doors but that's all in the past now, what we are left with now though is just a SISAesque shell that does more harm than good. If Nick stood down and one of the boardmembers took the chairmanship and respresented the fans, as oposed to himself, i suppose it could be salvaged, but they'd need to act fast - too fast i think to keep up with current events.

OK.

The share proxy from Wilde and the principle of a fan on the board is why the Trust failed. Just imagine if Nick Illingsworth was currently sat on the board speaking on behalf of us.

Shall we talk about SOS?

Steve i read the ST articles on a regular basis and they never have substance to them. The quote i posted up was very vague (as i pointed out) and at this turbulent time in the clubs history that is poor form. Therefore it's more akin to a blog than a real fans groups site.

very rarely. the lounge is ok, but muppet forum is boring.

I can't disagree with you on this point, it was bad.

Looking at the Trusts sites latest article (by Robin Howard) it states: The Club is facing a desperate situation which will not be solved overnight; perhaps we will inevitably have to face up to life in Division 1. But some action has to be taken right now. A performance driven review of manager and club executives followed by rectifying action is the obvious place to start. Therefore the Trusts site is advocating action (in a wishy washy no formulated plan nor leadership way) and yet the so called chairman is singing from his own song sheet.

No, it was very sad to see, but they should have realised that the anti lowe feeling was at boiling point.

The opinion was NI's and as chairman of the Saints Trust i would expect him to represent his members and reign in his personal opinions. I'd be interested to hear the official Saints Trusts take.

You posted the contents of the PM on the thread.

Where have you ever posted about Saints? Are you even a Saints fan or are you just interested in Muppet forum topics?

Do the Trust have an opinion?

The timing of the breaking of my boycott was inspired to say the least. That said the writing was on the wall that this fixture could be the breaking point. This fact only serves to emphasise the incompetence of the stadiums management for not pre-empting it with extra security. That said i don't agree with the shocking scenes of fans fighting fans and i had no part in them.

Because he's taken on the responsibility of being the Chairman of Trust he should respect his position and reign in his personal views and represent the views of the majority. Because he continually gives his own opinions it makes a mockery of his position.

LOL, if this is correct. That really is pathetic. Robin Howard writes on the ST site and i do agree with a lot of what he says, but it's more like reading a blog than articles for a democratic body that acts on behalf of it's members. With the current situation at the club the ST could quadruple it's membership if it represented fans.

So what's all this about a donation from Wilde?

Because SISA have no members - it's RC's platform. The Saints Trust have hardly any members (they won't even give the figure - that's how democratic they are) and it gives Nick Illingsworth an elevated voice.