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The problem with English nationalism as it commonly exists in public debate is that is not English at all - but a cheap derivative of a corrupt, debased and essentially foreign ideology, namely Nazism and its variants in Europe and elsewhere. English nationalism is best expressed in a set of common ideals, including decency, fairness and tolerance - the kinds of ideals found in Tariq Jahan's wonderfully eloquent calls for calm after the murder of his son. Unwittingly, he was revealing his essential Englishness, while the EDL dumb f ucks in Eltham were espousing their essential foreignness.

Oh for heaven's sake (no pun intended) stop it. This is the measure of the level of 'reporting': Once past the heroism, this story begins to slice through the slimy underbelly of a vile, pathological beast that controls our lives, and gives us glimpses of the innards of this creature that grins gleefully at our gullibility and simple innocence while trampling on our most basic human rights.

He has to. Just before he left Crewe three years ago he was supposedly being scouted by Boro (then in the Prem) and Bolton. Time is marching on and he must be thinking things are starting to pass him by.

Has to better than what was on show yesterday at Loftus Road.

The 'natural instincts' of the Tory Party? What the hell are they? Are you saying that a culture of civil rights is absent the Tory mind? That's a pretty extraordinary claim to make. Anyway, history shows that Tories (and their supporters) are really liberals in need of a good f uck. (I give you Earl Gray, a dull, conformist Tory politician who became a Whig PM and saw through the Great Reform Act of 1832, but only after a chandelier-swinging affair with the seriously left-wing Georgiana, Duchess of Devonshire).

Poll please mods.

There are seven levels. I see from my files that you are level one. It's a start.

There IS a carefully articulated argument to made about particular black youth subcultures and their popularity across ethnic lines, which leads to the kind of symptomatic text that Starkey read out from the athlete who was convicted of looting. And actually it's an argument taking place within black communities in the US. Starkey unfortunately was oafishly clumsy, mixing in references to the 'rivers of blood' with overly broad - and racist - equations of black=equals bad (even if you're white and white=good (even if you're black). I say 'unfortunately' - because his clumsiness has now closed off discussion of cultures in mainstream debate about the underlying causes (and there were many) of the riots and the looting (which in my view should be treated separately).

And your conclusions jumped.

Apart from a vague reference to 'disparity in wealth', why no mention of poverty, even as one among many variables?

The figures were 3% in the north, 7% in the Midlands and 18% in London, where there were many more arrests and cases heard obviously. The Mail in particular seems to be gleefully highlighting those middle class looters (models, athletes, organic chefs, etc). So not the majority, clearly. The clearest pattern to emerge from the statistics is the relative lack of patterns. They are by no means, as the other thread suggests 'all black', nor are they all unemployed or council tenants or children, etc. The only clear pattern is that all but a few were under 25.

You had to explain it, did you? Oh dear. Although it's not an autobiography - far from it - you couldn't get a more timely, or less put-downable book than Lawrence Wright's The Looming Tower. The 10th anniversary of 9/11 is just a few weeks away, and this is still by far the best 'inside' account of how it all happened.

Who says this any more?

I think you'll find it's Encyclopaedia Britannica, and Nasar's book is is not an autobiography. HTH.

Dune: Prison Writings From My Mum's Back Bedroom Turkish: Avatar Or: The Autobiography of Malcolm X As Told to Alex Haley. (Seriously, this is a brilliant piece of writing)

Anecdotal evidence from the court cases so far suggests that the majority of those rioting were in work. What's happened over the last few days shouldn't be dumped on the unemployed generally.

As andy correctly points out, most of the 'years of liberal dogma' have been Tory years in the last three decades. This is just one of the Mail's gasket-blowing rants.

I bet he wobbles his head as he writes.

Who are these dogooders exactly? Aside, that is, from the straw men you like to throw up for the sake of a weak argument. And I'm not aware of any defence against a murder charge that goes along the lines of: yes I killed XX, but to sentence me for it would be against my human rights. One other tip, Viking. If you're thinking of becoming a lawyer and want to make pots of money, don't become a criminal lawyer.

I somehow doubt Wenger will be sacked, or that they'll slide to a 6th place finish. Apart from Fergie, is there a better manager in British football? He's doing what we'd expect Adkins to do - defend his team and keep on building, no matter who walks out the door. And he's now got £60m to spend doing it.

Funnily enough Pioneer also funded Lynn. The Fund has been declared a 'hate group' in the US. I have had the severe displeasure of meeting its current president J Philippe Rushton.

Which reminds me - "Crivens"???

A theory advanced by a journalist, which rather undermines it. Here's the view of an eminent physiologist in Scientific American: Instead of sifting through fragmented, conflicting data on the rise of black athletes in sports, Entine seeks to prove his case by presuming his conclusion is true, then supporting it with selected evidence. Such a "proof" would be reasonable, were it not for his claim of reliance on the "scientific method." It is a disingenuous claim. The book does not even attempt to examine a robust data set, evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of the information, or come to an evenhanded conclusion. Instead Entine chooses to spare his readers the ambiguities of robust data, which form the core of a scientific inquiry.

Lynn is too much even for you? That IS funny. And you WERE talking about Lynn - you just didn't know it. As for Jensen, please explain the genetic component of his research - and get at least a working knowledge of the theories underpinning IQ.

You have a long way to go before you sound sensible on this. Of course there are large population samples in the US for IQ tests and the respective bell curves - because everyone there does IQ tests. However, the sampling is extremely poor elsewhere. For example, Lynn based his so-called racial hierarchy on IQ results which purported to show one group of African scored very low. In fact, the IQ test was carried out in a nunnery in an entirely different country.