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Cheers, but am personally after a tv stream.

I'm just praying the FTSE and the DOW get back to 6000 and 12500 respectively before the next crash as this is my target exit point to divert into Corporate bonds.

As it says on the tin.

Oh I forgot about this game. Is it tonight?

ha ha ha

ha ha, can we come round for tea? BTW your garden needs a good tidy. (only joking - just a street map came up and can't remember it now.)

And the Liberal number too. Charles Kennedy indicated he was going to vote in favour the other night. All Liberals should have, as Cleggy promised a vote before the election, but I guess democracy only stretches as far as voting reforms and self interest for them.

Source? And names if possible.

More than enough to undermine Camerons authority. 111 is also a fitting number with it's relation to a great British naval hero who fought and defeated so many Europeans.

Some really cutting comments against Cameron from Peter Bone in the closing statement. BUt he was right in everything he said and I admire him for that because that is exactly what I would have done. Tonight heralds the beginning of a split and all because Cameron was such an idiot by imposing a three line whip.

You're just a kid with no life experience. I simply don't believe you.

Ronald MacDonald isn't a real person.

Ronald MacDonald isn't a real person.

Of course turn out would be low because most people in this country take democracy for granted. You only have to look to places like Libya to see what it means to them. If people don't vote they have no right at all to complain. This idleness should not be used as an excuse not to exercise democracy.

Caroline Lucas (green) is speaking in favour of a referendum because like me she believes in democracy. I disagree with everything she stands for except for this. Fair play to her and decent parliamentarians including Kate Hoey and the MP for Romsey and the MP for New Forest for voting in favour too. It will interesting to see who votes in what way and which of those Tories are in marginals because as a member of the UKIP I will be urging the parties leadership to fight tooth and nail to deseat those Tories in marginals that voted against democracy. I notice that the MP for peterborough will be voting in favour. A shrewd move given he is MP in a marginal. I wonder whether we will see a trend here where those in most danger put promotion at risk to make their seats safer, because come the next election they will at least be able to defuse UKIP's potential to be a decisive part of their demise.

Time will tell on that one, but with Camerons stance on the EU I am softening to the idea. I do think that if the vote was held again now in the wake of our elected MP's voting for us not to have a say I think the outcome would be closer. I will say it again, Cameron has made a big mistake here, and this issue will not go away for him. He has made a lot of enemies this week and he'll rue the day he decided to take on the right of the party BECAUSE THE RIGHT OF THE PARTY IS THE PARTY.

On the contrary. Once we starting getting regular wishy washy coalitions Labour and the Conservatives will reclaim their places as they wake up to the fact that trying please everyone is a failing late 20th C approach. The death rattle of centre ground politics is getting louder.

People are now more educated and don't simply vote for the red rosette or the blue rosette. New Labour V Blue Labour is not a choice. Both Socialists and Right Wing Conservatives no longer have a party in Labour or the Conservatives and they are increasingly seeking small parties that represent what they believe in. Times are changing and this is exactly what is needed.

Whilst here in Britain we are devolving power to Scotland NI and Wales, the European superstate is sucking in more power. The two acts are at odds with each other would you not agree?

Yes. In the future (maybe 2020-30) I believe they will be forced to adopt a more UKIP stance to win in the necessary marginals that UKIP will make unwinable. Cameron is currently casting the seeds for the demise of the Conservative Party and he is a fool for doing it.

It is a sacrifice worth making because in the end the Tories will have to neutralise UKIP and they can only do this by adopting UKIP policy. Like the 70 Tory MP's who have defied Cameron everyone who votes UKIP is acting with conviction and is sadly helping Labour, but with an eye to medium term change.

So that means 67% think it's a bad thing. That 67% is a huge chunk that the government are really p/ssing off. Nigel Farage has said that pre 2010 many Tory voters said "just you wait til the Tories get back in and reclaim our powers" - they will now be feeling betrayed. UKIP will now grow and become the third party IMO especially with the Liberals in disarray.

Well what i'd do (but it won't happen) is make party funding come out of the public purse proportionate to their support in British and European elections. Also increase MP's salaries and bar them from other jobs. No Union funding for Labour, No corporate funding for the Tories.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12657286 The Barnsley by election result is not being heeded by the Tories at their peril. UKIP are the biggest threat the Tories face without a doubt because UKIP voters are mainly ( but by no means exclusively) disenfranchised Tory voters. They might never gain power, but they'll stop the Tories ever governing again IMO and for that reason we will see the Tories FORCED to adopt a more eurosceptic stance in the future.

I'd be really grateful if anyone has a link for tonight.