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George Soros finally makes it clear how he sees the EU:

Mr Soros warned that Eurosceptic parties were on the rise across Europe and now enjoyed a "competitive advantage". Issuing a rallying cry to those who support the European project, he added: "The people of Europe need to wake up before it is too late. If they don’t, the European Union will go the way of the Soviet Union in 1991. Neither our leaders nor ordinary citizens seem to understand that we are experiencing a revolutionary moment, that the range of possibilities is very broad, and that the eventual outcome is thus highly uncertain."

So, the guy that broke the Bank of England is bemoaning the fact that there is a chance that the EU will no longer be like the Soviet Union and we need to wake up. Jesus H Christ...

Japan can wait...

Liam Fox, the International Trade Secretary, is expected to agree a trade deal with Switzerland on Monday which would come into effect at midnight on March 29 under a no-deal Brexit, or at the end of the 18-month transition period if an agreement is signed off. "This is by far the biggest of the EU third party trade agreements and represents 20 per cent of the total of the value of trade for the UK in the rolling over of [existing] EU trade agreements," a senior government source said.

I kind of agree with you. I really agonised about my vote. I spent most of the election period considering the implications for trade and prosperity, and a week out from the vote, I realised that not only did I not have a clue, but neither did anyone else really either. So I thought, I’m just going to vote based on who I see myself as being. I’m proud that our island has defended itself from conquest for nearly a thousand years, and of our more recent tradition of democracy. But the more powerful thing in me is clinging to the common cause of humanity, and a curiosity and respect for other, particularly European, nationalities. Strangely this is despite great enthusiasm for American culture. I detest nationalism, and the politics of self interest. I have loved the European project. Always will. If you asked me to vote again a thousand times, I would vote the same way.

 

This is actually what separates the two sides; modern religions. On one side a coalition of greens and liberals as humanists. On the other, a coalition of nationalists, which is wholly unfair to generally label as racists. These sides are utterly irreconcilable. You might as well try to get humanity to coalesce around one monotheistic religion, or even a single sexuality.

 

The oddest thing is people not being able see the fundamental nature of this. The remainers who publicly still argue about the economic effect, or lorry queues ffs. Respect to their motives, and courage in the face of considerable hostility, but do they still think they can change even one mind? I don’t think so. This thread sums it all up so beautifully.

 

Your side “won”, so we will have to get on with it. Remainers shouldn’t despair. Nationalism will be a dying force, ultimately. Human history has repeatedly been about coalescence into larger and larger societies. It’s just in our make up as a natural force. But moreover I think, a mass of tiny variables will begin to act against the larger variable that is Brexit, to compensate, and render the destination pretty much unchanged anyway. I will speculate that shangri-la is probably not just around the next corner. People never want to blame themselves, so without the EU as scapegoat, something else will be found. Maybe Brexit itself. Thankfully not a committed remainers problem.

Excellent and thoughtful post. I have two points that I would like to make:

1. Democracy won and always should.
   
2. Shangri-la is never around the next corner.
   

I refer you to my second sentence which you quoted above.

I was asked whether or not I wanted to leave the EU and I voted to leave. I must have forgotten to fill in the answer to the question of why and there wasn't enough space of the ballot paper anyway.

I've been banging on about it for a while and now reality dawns, as shown here. Read it and weep.

Italy and France slid deeper into an economic slump in January as their services sectors began to crumble, pushing the eurozone uncomfortably close to its third recession in a decade.Chris Williamson from IHS Markit said manufacturing across the currency zone was tipping into recession. “The worst may be yet to come: new orders received by factories are declining at the steepest rate for nearly six years and new business inflows into the service sector have stalled,” he said.

“The deteriorating picture looks broad-based. Italy is in its steepest downturn for over five years. It’s clear that the business environment is at its most challenging since the height of the region’s debt crisis.”

Professor Ashoka Mody, the International Monetary Fund’s former deputy chief in Europe who is now at Princeton University, said the ECB was powerless and increasingly irrelevant. In his view the error was to allow the currency bloc to slide into a "lowflation trap" in the first place, as this raises real interests and poisons debt dynamics for vulnerable economies. It is hard to gauge the likely effects of a disorderly no-deal Brexit at this juncture since much would depend on the exact response by both sides.Such a rupture would almost certainly entail a major trade and financial shock for the eurozone, with complex interactions through credit and derivative markets, bank equities, and the wealth effect. These financial channels would greatly amplify the trade impact. A study by Deloitte concluded that supply chain disruptions might cause more damage to the car industry in Germany than in the UK. Direct German car sales to the UK would drop by more than 250,000 units a year.

I have no interest in you other than exposing the ignorant, racist crap you write and believe.

I would have looked forward to your next post explaining how you knew I had a daughter, but you're back on ignore, Herbert, because you've been caught red handed and shown to be the trolling weird stalker you are. No one cares whether you expose me as anything. People can read on this site and don't need a sad f*** like you to interpret what I post. So, get back in the wardrobe with your soiled copy of Readers Wives, pal.

Rule 1.

Back in the 606 days, the posters would meet up in a pub and talk ******. Posters from Pompey and Saints. It was a laugh and we raised a bit for charity, with No Shot Sherlock? organising charity events.

Everyone knew each other as most were locals. Now the weirdo's seem to have multiplied. I guess that happens when people with no friends and no life rely on the internet for their social interactions. I mean, does anyone really think shurlock the stalker has any pals, pal?

I haven't seen threats of personal violence from them. Please shop me where they have and I will condemn that as well. I have seen them predict violence if the democratic will is not carried out, something that doesn't seem far fetched. If we had won and that our wishes had not been carried out Im sure we would be foreseeing violence on the streets

I've got to admit that I have, in the past, threatened to smash shurlock's face in. It has everything to do with the fact that unlike everyone else who are anonymous on here, due to the old BBC 606 website, shurlock, as many other posters, discovered my identity. He was straight on my facebook page like the sad stalker he is. My page had a photo of my family and I. When he saw the picture of my beautiful daughter, he made a typically sexist comment that if she lost her job, she could always get a job at Hooters.

What followed was that I was forced to change my facebook photo. I couldn't give two f***s about him stalking me, but the creep leering all over my daughter was too much. The next day he edited the post to cover his tracks, but he knows what he posted and I kept a copy of the post. He's obviously a weirdo and stalker and I posted that if I ever find out his identity, I will give him a good smacking.

It appears now that he is running to teacher like the coward he is, but my threat still stands, pal. Anytime, anywhere...

I remember you throwing insults around like that, to be fair

A class act...

What's the bet that Wes caught his missus noshing off their Romanian gardener?

The question isn't why Nissan is moving the X-Trail production to Japan, but why they aren't moving it to somewhere else in the EU, following the free trade agreement the EU was trumpeting last week. Well, to address specific sensitivities in the 28-member trading bloc, the EU said motor vehicle tariffs would be lowered in stages during a seven-year transition period, before being eliminated. What that means is that Germany didn't want the Japanese having free access to the EU, so the tariff on cars from Japan is not 0%. It was 10% but will now be 9.2% from this month and will eventually be 0% in 2032, 13 years away.

As I said before, we have idiots negotiating for the UK and the EU have snakes doing theirs.

Nissan says 'business reasons' not Brexit are behind Sunderland reversal here.

Oh and good luck with disposing of the batteries...

Im only quoting what a top exec of one of the major German car manufactrers told an acquaintance. He should know whats happening in that technology.

Top execs told everyone that diesel was the future and that they were clean. I'm only speaking from personal experience and I will be selling the darn thing ASAP and going back to my favourite petrol car. I should never have sold it...

...still, I guess EV's are alright for pottering around, but long journeys over 50 miles, forget it. They only shift the pollution elsewhere. As Germany produces 40% of its electricity using coal, I really think that diesel or petrol cars are more efficient and cleaner, to be honest.

You think they're separate and I'm the stupid one?

The last post, dumbass:

U.K. Business Secretary Greg Clark wrote a letter to Japanese carmaker Nissan, pledging that the company would "remain competitive" after Britain's exit from the European Union, the Times reported today. Nissan announced Thursday it would invest in its Sunderland plant in north-eastern England to build two new car models.

The letter came after Nissan's CEO Carlos Ghosn said the investment would depend on guarantees by the U.K. government that the carmaker would not suffer losses after Brexit. “You can have commitments of compensation in case you have something negative,” Ghosn had said. Clark's letter was understood by Nissan as a promise that the company would not bear the cost of potential tariff barriers if the U.K. leaves the EU without securing a free trade deal, according to the Times.

Clarke to make a statement to the Commons at 5:00 PM, about the illegal state aid offered to Nissan, which is now going to be withdrawn. Jeez, this sounds like British Leyland...

Really? When did the Government deliver the promised deal? Last I heard they were still negotiating with 5 weeks to go.

Im as concerned about the loss of car production but the industry is going to go through a lot of pain in the next 5-10 years anyway as the electric motor will take over.

No need. I can see that even after 2.5 years the UK Government still have not delivered on the promise. So Nissan are out.

 

There is a reason Business minister Greg Clarke is Remain. I wonder what that is.

Mate, you're just thick. Clarke gave Nissan the tariff free exports to the EU post Brexit, that they wanted, after Ghosn made his comments at the Paris motor show, plus £80M AND offered the same tariff free access to all the other car manufacturers. So, stop dribbling and start using your brain.

"Nissan boss Carlos Ghosn had previously warned at the Paris motor show that a so-called ‘hard Brexit’ could cause the car giant to reconsider its future investment in Sunderland, saying "If I need to make an investment in the next few months and I can’t wait until the end of Brexit, then I have to make a deal with the UK government." “Our objective would be to ensure that we have a continued access to the markets in Europe and vice versa, without tariffs and without bureaucratic impediments.

 

No customs union no investment. Whoosh

Read the quote again, sh!t for brains

The UK car industry has been assured that the deal offered to Nissan - which would eliminate any tariffs imposed on the companies' exports to Europe - will be offered to all car manufacturers, according to business secretary Greg Clark. Talking on the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show, Clark said: “It is my job to provide the assurances to Nissan and others that Britain is going to continue to be a great place to invest. I was able to do that and this [Nissan’s continuing investment] was the result that we saw. “One of the assurances I was able to give is that our intention, our negotiating remit when it comes to the discussions with our European partners is to have a constructive and civilised dialogue to look for the common interest here.

So, you post a picture of a tax-dodger who has residence in Monaco, and has said he will live in Colorado when he stops racing, as he has no intention of returning to the UK.

Woosh...

Looking back at this story, from 31 October 2016, it's clear that May has been done like a kipper and is probably the worst negotiator and PM ever.

The UK car industry has been assured that the deal offered to Nissan - which would eliminate any tariffs imposed on the companies' exports to Europe - will be offered to all car manufacturers, according to business secretary Greg Clark. Talking on the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show, Clark said: “It is my job to provide the assurances to Nissan and others that Britain is going to continue to be a great place to invest. I was able to do that and this [Nissan’s continuing investment] was the result that we saw. “One of the assurances I was able to give is that our intention, our negotiating remit when it comes to the discussions with our European partners is to have a constructive and civilised dialogue to look for the common interest here.

 

The government’s promises, which were made earlier this month to the UK’s largest producer of cars, Nissan, prompted the firm to continue investment in its Sunderland plant. Nissan boss Carlos Ghosn had previously warned at the Paris motor show that a so-called ‘hard Brexit’ could cause the car giant to reconsider its future investment in Sunderland, saying "If I need to make an investment in the next few months and I can’t wait until the end of Brexit, then I have to make a deal with the UK government." “Our objective would be to ensure that we have a continued access to the markets in Europe and vice versa, without tariffs and without bureaucratic impediments. That is how we will approach the negotiations. It is important to manufacturing they get the minimum or no tariffs and no impediments,” Clark added.

 

After Nissan boss Ghosn’s talk with Theresa May, which he described as "positive and productive", Ghosn said the government "will continue to ensure the UK remains a competitive place to do business", but did not clarify exactly what was said. He later said: “The support and assurances of the UK government enabled us to decide that the next-generation Qashqai and X-Trail will be produced at Sunderland. I welcome British Prime Minister Theresa May’s commitment to the automotive industry in Britain and to the development of an overall industrial strategy.”

Meanwhile, in Japan, the architect of this £60m con-trick is in jail after being denied bail:

A Tokyo court has rejected Carlos Ghosn's latest request for bail, despite his promise to wear an electronic tag to secure his release. The former Nissan boss has been in detention since 19 November on allegations of financial misconduct. Lawyers for Mr Ghosn, who denies any wrongdoing, have said he could remain in custody for months.

Brexit, innit...

Foreign owned corporations have learnt that if they make threats, they will be rewarded with state sponsored bribery. We don't know what sweetheart deal May promised Nissan after Brexit, but it appears that they have gone back on the deal.

Has this country really come to this? Bribing companies to build cars in the UK?

The bribe I was referring to, above, was worth £60m according to the Times this morning. Nissan have gone back on the deal and ministers are considering withdrawing the offer.

He is probably happy with all this

Ooh, look. He can cut and paste from this. I guess this is how you passed your 2 GCSE's although I guess the one in woodwork was all your own.

Foreign owned corporations have learnt that if they make threats, they will be rewarded with state sponsored bribery. We don't know what sweetheart deal Cameron promised Nissan after Brexit, but it appears that they have gone back on the deal.

Has this country really come to this? Bribing companies to build cars in the UK? In the 50's we were the largest car exporter in the world. Even today, Motorsport Valley, which spans an area from Warwickshire through to Berkshire, is home to around 3,500 companies – including eight F1 teams – employing over 40,000 people. At the last count, Motorsport Valley was said to contribute £9bn to the UK economy.

F*** Nissan and the crook that ran them, f*** VW and the rest of the German diesel cheats. Let's stand alone and sell the world what we are best at, not the Lego assembly of cars nobody will be buying in 10 years.

That famous EU nation, Venezuela.

 

Jesus wept.

That famous UK politician, PM in waiting and Hugo Chavez fanboy, Jeremy Corbyn offering to lead the UK post Brexit to a brighter economic future, free of unemployment and social ills.

Jesus is weeping...