sadoldgit

Oooooooooooooh feck off you broken old record.

 

Pearson had one job and only one job to do when he took over, keep us up, and guess what, HE KEPT US UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

When will you ever change your tune?? Pearson came in and done his job, Lowe let him go and replaced him with Wotte and Jan, none of them did their job resulting in relegation, administration and -10!!!!!!!!!

 

I do not get people like you, you'll defend everything that went wrong with our club, yet give no time to whats obviously an improvement!!!!!!

 

Ps. 4-1 come on saints, come on Pardew

Yep with 20 minutes to spare. Yay.

I am not defending what went wrong with the club. I query the mentality of those who slag off a manager who managed to get 1.54 point a game - a win every other game - but who raise to hero status someone who only managed to win 3 games out of 13.

The same people who seem happier for us to be in the third tier of football than when we were making the play offs.

Surely the club was in a better position that season? But you wouldn't think so judging by many of the comments on here.

Wearing very, very thin...

Still wearing very thin Alpine????

Not doing this anymore. You are a bored troll. Find someone else to entertain you and your obsession with justifying Burley's and Lowe's time at the club.

Obvioulsy F A Cup finals, Premiership football, making the play offs, beating decent teams 6 -0 away from home, winning every other game etc are not things to aspire to. So much better to be sitting at the bottom of the 3rd tier of football than to have nasty men who your don't like (but have never met) have a modicom of success.

You need to get over this personality fixation mate.

What matters is where we are and what we achieve, not the people who make that possible.

Don't you get it?

I just don't get this "I'd rather be in the 3rd division with anybody but Lowe than be playing Mancheser United with Lowe mentality."

Funny but Cardiff seemed to be full of people who didn't give a stuff about Lowe a few years ago. Did you go out to the movies Alpime because you couldn't bare us to have some sucess under evil pantomime villian Count Lowe?

Very sad.

There you go. The most unsurprising answer in the history of Saints-Web, -Forever, whatever....

 

SOGGY doesnt give a shiny one about building properly for sustained success, doing things correctly with a board and manager who actually care, he just cares about short-term gratification and is prepared to do a deal with the devil (who hails from the Cotswolds) for that short-term gratification.

 

Anyone who doesnt see that SFC is back on the rails for the first time in about 10 years is completely insane.

If you can accept 3rd tier football at any price good for you. As for being insane, if the best premier league position, an FA Cup final and European football (all achieved in the last 10 years) wasn't good enough for you I despair if you think that 3rd tier football is an adequate replacement and equates to "being on the rails."

Such as, or are you just trolling and throwing unjustified accusations around...as usual ?

 

Never has a poster been more aptly named.

And never has a poster had such an appropriate avarter.

I see from another thread that you are already anticipating the next defeat and the response. No doubt Alpine you have already drafted your posts for that occasion?

Good post, and that poll would be fascinating, especially how SOGGY would vote.

 

Currently it feels like the club has gone through a really bad bout of cold turkey, and is putting its life back together again in small steps.

 

The damage that Lowe, Askham and co have done to this club is incalculable.

I answer to your question, I would rather be in the CCC than in the 3rd Divison of English football under anybody solely in that we could potentially be one season closer to promotion to the Premiership. Still, personalitities mean more to you than the league position of the team

Let's see how you vote if we are still in the same league in a few years time eh?

ps, I assume that Pardew has now reached hero status in the Alpine household now that Pardew has managed to do in three games what Pearson took 13 to achieve???

As it turns out, you can put me in that camp too. It would be a bold wish not knowing what would replace him. But as things have turned out, had I known that we would end up with Liebherr, Cortese, Pardew and that we would be rid of Lowe, Wilde, Askham, Crouch, etc, but that the price would be relegation to the third division, then in hindsight I would definitely take it.

Your choice of course. Lets see if you and your friends are still saying that in two years time if we are still in Division 3.

Interesting stance though. Of course I knew all along that Alpine would rather us be in the third tier of English football with any manager than conrenders for the play offs with Burely, but each to his own.

I just find it very sad that people put the position of the club before personalities.

Still, on the bright side at least three wins on the trot should shut up some of the people who were calling to sack the manager for a while.

I have never called for his dismissal, and never claimed to be intractible in my beliefs.

 

I saw two of the earlier games and was impressed

 

I was not impressed with a couple of our results and performances a couple of weeks ago

 

This week I feel we are finally on to something.........

 

That could change if Oldham make monkeys out of us, however.

 

As I say, lets see how manager and team respond to an impressive week.

Here we go again. Same old same old. Three wins on the trot but all you can think about is what happens when we lose again, which we will at some point.

Every silver lining has a cloud.

While Burley's first season (when he was backed big time financially) he did well I accept but once the money dried up he lost interest, let discipline (his and the players) go lax and the club started the slide which a previous poster referred to earlier. You really had to be there to witness the incredible malaise - there were danger signals all over the place and the Board were relieved that Scotland came in when they did!

 

Here's a stat for you - when GB took over we were in 12th place and when he left we were in 13th, considering the money he was allowed to fritter I hardly think that we made progress under his management.

 

In short he was a busted flush living on past glories who had one reasonable year at SMS mainly because he was allowed to spend money we couldn't afford.

I'd say the play offs were progress wouldn't you? I'd say being well away from relegation problems was a plus wouldn't you? We are constantly told that we were plummeting down the league when he left yet his stats show a win every other game, does not stack up does it? Would that money have been "frittered" if we had made the play offs and been successful??? We so nearly did - not his fault by the way - some individual players errors.

Yes I expect there was malaise. Hone's incredible statement did not help not did getting shot of Jones, Baird and Bale, but lets just blame someone who won football matches for us quite regularly eh? Remember that feeling?

Still Dunc, you have got your way. I remember very clearly you saying you would rather we were relegated than have Lowe at the helm so at least one Saints fan is happy!!!

Sadoldgit making stuff up again shock

 

Sadoldgit making stuff up just to cast himself as Britains greatest Saints fan

 

Go figure.

Head in the sand mate!!! Don't you read the threads here?

As for Britain's greatest Saints fan, what the f*** are you talking about???

...we have coverted include Ian Dowie and Roy Keane. Both proved (so far) to be one hit wonders who probably just fell into the right job at the right time but have shown since they can't sustain it.

Alan Pardew hasn't set the world alight so far but is quitely going about his job and putting pieces of the jigsaw together. Given time I think he could be an excellent manager for us but as we have seen in the last few weeks, the usual suspects have already been slagging him off and some even calling fr him to be sacked.

The two most would say best managers we have ever had both took time to get their success and were anything but overnight wonders. Pardew should be given time. I can remember teams put out by both Bates and McMenemy being beaten by lower leage opponents. Torquay wasn't great but it did show that we can come back and get a result when we are not firing on all cylinders, something that Saints sides in recent years have not done too often.

Pardew is not going to make us an overnight success story, but given time he might just get us out of this awful division and turn us into real contenders in the CCC.

TalkSport is a decent radio programme at times, but completely let down by the fact that the bulk its revenues come from people calling in to the show on the premium rate phone line. As a consequnce you get wind up merchants like Jon Gaunt (previously), Adrian Durham and the like peddling ridiculous ideas that they don't actually believe in just to get a raft of callers dialling in disagree with them on air.

 

Durham is the worst, his wind ups are so obvious. Every month or so he'll have a topic along the lines of "Celtic & Rangers / Bristol City & Rovers / Sheffield Wednesday & United should merge as its the only way they'll ever be successful, and you get the great unwashed who buy into the rubbish and spend a fortune telling him something he already knows, yet prompting more mock outrage.

 

Don't get me started on Irani; the man is an oxygen thief, and bereft of any persona or sporting knowledge outside of cricket. Brazil props up the morning programme and deserves better than the inept tosser alongside him, he would be better off presenting on his own. Mike Parry is a great companion for Brazil, because while he's always on the wind up he does it in a funny way and you can always tell he doesn't believe what he's saying most of the time, and almost always ends up laughing at himself for it.

 

Hawksbee & Jacobs, however, are what the programme should be all about. They are genuinely knowledgable about football, completely reasonable, and always very, very funny. Their's should be the programme model TalkSport should aim at.

Agree completely. I think the producer sits down with Durham and his partner before the show, they decide on a topic and who is going to take which side. One example was the other night when Durham was kicking off ablout not wanting the World Cup played here!!! What self respecting football fan would not want the greatest competition in the world played here!! The saddest thing is that it is so obviously designed to get people wound up and phoning in (Rod Marsh was very good at it) but lots of people don't see through it and engage in the process.

As you say though Mike Parry is good value for money as are Hawksbee and Jacobs in the afternoon.

John Gaunt was one of the worst though. Always going on about his expensive car and just a total knee jerk reactionary. I always got the feeling he was actually laughing at his listeners whilst counting his money. Nasty piece of work. Silly voice too.

Pearson.

Why?

Already proven he can get relegated club up at the first time of asking (not saying AP can't do it - we will not know for another 20 months) and every story I heard about Pearson from inside the club was very positive re his man management.

 

I know SoG prefers Burley and uses statistics to back up his case but statistics lie at the best of times. When Bern is probably not 100% aware of is just how critical the situation was the day Pearson arrived. The club were in a virtual meltdown that week, not helped by the disastrous few games under Dodd and Gorman and the demoralised state Burley's complete lack of interest had left us in. Pearson walked into a crisis and by the skin of his teeth saved us. I honestly believe if Lowe had kept Pearson there is every chance we would have avoided admin and still been in the CCC. Not that would have been a good thing having now been bought by Liebher but one we would have all taken last April.

 

NickG - I am not against AP at all. He talks very well - I have agreed with everything he says, but I am a little concerned that on the pitch he has made some obvious tactical errors and the team are not gelling as well as perhaps they should by now. My Reading and WHU contacts are very criticical of him citing his arrogance and stubborness but I will hold fire until after Xmas before really judging him. He has had a hard task and has signed some good players, but while we wait to climb the table it will be interesting to watch Leicester's progress this year to see how Pearson performs.

What I like about Burley was that, statswise (and here they do not lie) he won every other game he played. I don't think that Pearson was here long enough to make a judgement but find it funny that he was seen as many as some kind of hero despite nealry taking us down and only winning 3 games. Perhaps if he had stayed another season he would have done better and deserved the plaudits, we shall never know.

I enjoyed Burleys only full season and think he was a better manager than many give him credit for, stats or no. He certainly does not deserve the slating he gets here and was screwed by the Board in his third season here. If he lost interest who could blame him after Hone's statement? But we were still stronger with him here and plummeted when he left.

It is easy to find all sorts or reasons to knock stats but I would give anything for a manger who could get 1.54 points per game now.

Personally I am vey happy with Pardew and I am prepared to give him time, something many here are not.

I started this thread because I think the way many Saints fans judge our managers has precious little to do with reality and more to do with the own agendas.

We find all sorts of excuses to knock a relatively successful manager and yet we big up people with poorer track records.

Pardew was only here five minutes before the knives were out.

Go figure.

Compare der Pardew dot com, compare der Pearson dot com. Simples!

So then 13 games for Pardew and 3 wins and 13 games for Pearson and 3 wins.

Pearson has hero status and Pardew gets a slagging.

Absolutely. Bunch of hypocrites. Crying about Lowe sacking managers too frequently then calling for AP's head after 10 games.

Especially as we have only been beaten once since the beginning of September and that with an injury time goal.

If Pardew wins his next game that is 3 in 13, same as Pearson who is a hero to many on here!!!

Indeed, although strange given that we have played 5 matches in September and only lost one with a goal in injury time and we are talking about the future of our manager...hey ho..

Still, here's to 3 points today and the start of the season!!!

Perhaps he should? He did manage to win three on the bounce. I think we would be doing much worse points wise if he was still here.

Both Ferguson and Howard Kendall were facing the sack shortly before they both turned their clubs around. We all think the manager is rubbish if he doesn't do the business in our timeframe but the truth is you never know what would happen if you kept him on a bit longer.

and roy keane has even said himself..unless results change then he will expect the owner to make changes...he knows the score...

 

 

as for not going on a spending spree...ask that to 20 other clubs in the league who dont have a pot to pis in

 

the 5 year plan is for the premiership...the owners want promotion by end of next season..

 

going down to league 2 does not fit into that...league 2 will mean bye bye pardew

Maybe the new owners will stand by their manager? What would hve happened if we had dumped LM after he took us down? The only successful managers we have had have been here longer than 5 years and took time to get success. At some point surely we have to keep faith in someone for longer than 5 minutes?

but has he..?

 

lambert..he cost as much as the NEXT 3 HIGHEST transfers put together in league 1...and we doubled his wages in one swoop..rovers could not compete..

 

harding, jaidi...I bet they are on a very good sum for league 1...pardew himself and his staff (2 of which were actually managers in this league) will be on decent money...

 

are you really going to say we are not big spenders for this league already..?

 

with the statement that MORE funds are available for pardew to strengthen in the near future...??

 

we have spent money this season that the next 5 teams above us would dream of spending BETWEEN THEM in the next 5 years..

 

jesus...

 

 

cortese has said time and time again (and i believe it) that NO ONE dictates our business anymore...we do that...

who else in league 1 could claim that..?....errrr

And Roy Keane has spent £8m in the CCC - a lot of money - and Ipswich are nowhere.

We might have splashed (relatively) out on Lambert but I wouldn't say that we have gone on a spending spree. If the owners expected to get out of this divison this year I would have expected more money to be spent on players to be honest. The spend so far (to me) seems to suggest that they are just looking to stabilise rather than take the league by storm this season. 5 year plan remember? Not 3 years.

Of course we must start winning games. But if we are going to judge managers after 10 games there would be an awful lot of people looking for work right now!

Anders was more of an attacking midfielder, we never really used him properly, thought he always looked pretty good on the ball though

Agree, rarely used him in his strongest position. Thought he was awesome when we took Spurs apart.

but they compensated that by having a wage bill bigger than arsenals..

 

we have the best facilities and the most money in the league...!!!!!

Who has the money? Our owner has money, that does not mean that SFC has money. So far I would say that he has kept a Lowelike grip on his wallet!

i would like to think..with a massively expensive league 1 squad we had the players, staff, manager, resources, facilities (that nearly ALL in league 1...most in the CCC and some in the prem would love to have) would mean we had enough about us to finish comfortably above relegation from -10..

 

you mentioned leeds above...they got to the playoffs from -15...

But they are still trying to get up. It comes back to what I was saying before. There was no self belief in this club before and it is going to take time to get that back, Pardew or no Pardew.

Yes the start to the season has sucked. Yes he and his players (and lets not forget they have the actual reponsibilty of winning matches) have to up their game...but 10 games in....

Facilities don't win matches. Look at Portsmouth, some of the worst anywhere but they won a cup.

Remember that movie, If you built it, they will come?" We are (slowly) rebuilding. Hopefully the points will come.

he will keep his job....we have to show signs of a winning team near the end of the season to even be taken seriously of promotion the year after..

 

scraping safety will NOT be good preparation

It might not be, but if you start with minus 10 it is a reality.

I think you are making excuses most teams relegated have gone through some sort of turmoil but others in all leagues are doing a lot better as Delldays has said

 

Add Newcastle and Middlesboro West Brom to the list.

Didn't these teams keep most of their better players?

I am not saying it is a given that if you go through massive disruption you can't bounce back quickly, but what it does do it make the job that much harder. I don't think we have got over relagtion from the Premiership yet. Some clubs get their act togther some don't. We haven't yet and the old scapegoat has long gone so we can't blame him any more. We seem to have this idea that we belong in the Premiership and that by some miracle we will wake up one day and all of this will have been a bad dream.

Look round you, it happened to bigger clubs than us too. Why should we be immune? It and old chestnut but the almighty (once upon a time) Leeds feel harder than we did and it has taken them a lot longer to get their act together.